Rick and Roy for the Scandals at UL and UNC....Yea 
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Jealousy and envy are often hidden behind anger, UL fans hated Pitino until he became their coach and look what he has done. Roy is king of denial and had a bunch of shady things going on at Kansas and has led the nation in cheating ever since. Neither sits on a lofty perch, they have both ruined what respect they once had.
They'll have to actually get punished before people start associating them with their respective scandals.
The Lance Thomas deal feels exactly like the Camby situation to me. I'm sure that Duke 2010 banner is on its way down.
I don't understand how their '99 F4 banner still hangs. Maggette was an ineligible player. This is not my opinion. This is fact.
"Cal should have known about Camby."
"Coach K didn't know about Maggette and Thomas."
NCAA: It doesn't matter if UMass or Cal didn't know about it. It's strict liability and he was ineligible.
Us: Why wasn't Duke punished then?
NCAA: *crickets*
"Coach K didn't know about Maggette and Thomas."
NCAA: It doesn't matter if UMass or Cal didn't know about it. It's strict liability and he was ineligible.
Us: Why wasn't Duke punished then?
NCAA: *crickets*
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It is an unbalanced world. Easy to pile on Cal, and Roy simply gets a pass.
Pitino's legacy is tarnished, whether there is just punishment.
I always come back to the hit Boeheim took, and what happened there was miniscule compared to UL / UNC, who both admit nothing despite the lies.
UL will find out its punishment before UNC, that's for sure!
Pitino's legacy is tarnished, whether there is just punishment.
I always come back to the hit Boeheim took, and what happened there was miniscule compared to UL / UNC, who both admit nothing despite the lies.
UL will find out its punishment before UNC, that's for sure!
They are such non-issues, one player with his SATs and another player who had taken benefits (despite paying it all back).
The show's entire tone called out the double-standard.. if this were Duke, UNC, Kansas or even Kentucky.. it wouldn't have been an issue. But because Memphis/Umass were small schools with little clout, and a young coach who rubs some people the wrong way, they made an example out of Cal and the programs.
If you're basing your hatred of Cal on a player the NCAA couldn't prove took his SATs and another who was wearing a suspicious necklace, then..![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
The show's entire tone called out the double-standard.. if this were Duke, UNC, Kansas or even Kentucky.. it wouldn't have been an issue. But because Memphis/Umass were small schools with little clout, and a young coach who rubs some people the wrong way, they made an example out of Cal and the programs.
If you're basing your hatred of Cal on a player the NCAA couldn't prove took his SATs and another who was wearing a suspicious necklace, then..
Bob Ryan said some stuff that many of us have said all year. If Chalmers misses that shot, no way the NCAA takes a title banner away. Just look at how the Kansas Arthur scandal went away that same year.
What pisses me off about this is that media and NCAA shape perception. If the NCAA vacates 1999 and 2010 (2001 is tainted too with Duhon), is Coach K considered a saint? Nope.
What pisses me off about this is that media and NCAA shape perception. If the NCAA vacates 1999 and 2010 (2001 is tainted too with Duhon), is Coach K considered a saint? Nope.
I agree to disagree with your Double Standard Quote...I agree with Duke,UNC,and Kansas but I disagree with Kentucky because it would definitely be an issue because of the Hate and Jealously..They are such non-issues, one player with his SATs and another player who had taken benefits (despite paying it all back).
The show's entire tone called out the double-standard.. if this were Duke, UNC, Kansas or even Kentucky.. it wouldn't have been an issue. But because Memphis/Umass were small schools with little clout, and a young coach who rubs some people the wrong way, they made an example out of Cal and the programs.
If you're basing your hatred of Cal on a player the NCAA couldn't prove took his SATs and another who was wearing a suspicious necklace, then..
I can get on board with that. But I really think a lot of the hate, jealousy and treatment of Kentucky has been BECAUSE of Cal coming here.
I'm only 30. ANd only got into college basketball around 2003.. Was Kentucky treated like this before Cal? In the few years I had with Tubby and BCG, I don't remember it being even close to as bad as with Cal.
I'm only 30. ANd only got into college basketball around 2003.. Was Kentucky treated like this before Cal? In the few years I had with Tubby and BCG, I don't remember it being even close to as bad as with Cal.
Actually, it isn't a fact. When the NCAA was asked about why nothing was done to Duke when Memphis was punished, the explanation from the NCAA was that Maggette was never ruled ineligible but Rose was. How in the world do you argue with that kind of logic?????
I'm quite sure the amount of the jewelry in the Lance Thomas case was well above whatever Camby got. Duke promised to cooperate, clammed up, and it went away. Not shady at all.
I started watching in 1992. It's hard to judge perception because the internet and social media didn't exist for a long time. I don't recall tons of hit jobs regarding Pitino and Kentucky and definitely not when Tubby was here because he wasn't a threat for most of his tenure.
I think we took most of our lumps in the 80s and if you want to go back to Rupp, we got our black eye from the point shaving scandals and $100 handshake stuff. But nothing has been like it has with Cal but there's a ton of factors in play for that- 24/7 media, social media, etc.
Duke knew about it way before the NCAA did too and did nothing. Duke and UNC are two peas in a pod. They're shady as hell but untouchable. It makes me sick. Two fraud coaches who get treated with kid gloves and don't have the rules applied to them.
Agreed, it seems to me this is largely a Calipari thing than it is a Kentucky thing. Just gotta take the overwhelming good with bad. If we get bad seedings and often have to play by different rules, then so be it..
I've always felt like Kentucky/Cal is the Bad News Bears.. I wish Calipari threw the 2012 trophy right at Emmerts face and said "And we'll be back next year, you dickbag". I'm fine taking on the bad guy role to the fullest, if that's how they will portray us anyways.
I've always felt like Kentucky/Cal is the Bad News Bears.. I wish Calipari threw the 2012 trophy right at Emmerts face and said "And we'll be back next year, you dickbag". I'm fine taking on the bad guy role to the fullest, if that's how they will portray us anyways.
Trust me, I'm 51 and have been following UK since 75 and it wasn't as bad back then and somewhat in the 80's but the treatment between UK and those other Programs is like Night and Day.....
And don't forget Corey Magette either. He was found guilty of accepting improper benefits just like Camby but totally different outcome since it was King K and Puke. Hypocrisy at its finest.
CBS did an article on this once. It was about how the NCAA didn't even address it after Maggette admitted to this in Myron Piggie's trial. It took a reporter bringing it up at a press conference for it to even get any traction before being quickly dismissed.
It's probably the 1AD rule as well. For many Cal is ruining college basketball (lol).. So it's a combination of a winning progam, a demanding fanbase, Cal's history, and now taking any and every recruit we want for 1 year, essentially telling the college game that the NBA is more important (which it is, but again, doesn't sit well with his constituents)
Selective enforcement based on who you are. The NCAA needs to be shut down, and completely started over from top to bottom.
I seem to remember one of the reasons given for no action taken on the Thomas case was that nobody would talk or cooperate, so they couldn't prove anything. Didn't seem to matter in the Rose case.
Thomas making the jeweler sign an agreement to not speak with the NCAA was all the proof that was needed. If that didn't happen then why would you need to sign a gag order?
Funny thing is- for all the talk about UNC's acdemic scandal, people forget PJ Hairston was caught redhanded receiving the same kind of impermissible benefits that took down UMass! Dude had loaner cars at will...and he wasn't the only one.
UNC- the phonies that they are- are even more corrupt than people even talk about.
UNC- the phonies that they are- are even more corrupt than people even talk about.
Better throw in Boeheim. Steered Syracuse into trouble twice yet the folks at espn love him.Rick and Roy for the Scandals at UL and UNC....Yea
Chris Duhon's mom's house was in foreclosure and she had no job. Amazingly after Duhon commits to Duke, her house is paid off but you can't reveal records of who paid it. Same kid who had to catch a ride to practice every day, all of a sudden has a brand new car. His mom, who only graduated high school and had no management experience, gets an executive job at a Duke booster's company despite it never being advertised.
If you would read the thread and see the quotes above, you would see no one forgot about Maggette
Media be like...Rick and Roy for the Scandals at UL and UNC....Yea
Cal should have known about camby having expense gifts (jewelry) just like K should have known.... wait, what? No way K should have known.
Rick and Roy for the Scandals at UL and UNC....Yea
...add Dean Smith as well??...didn't it start under his term at UNCheat???
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I thought it interesting that Memphis told the NCAA they played an ineligible player. (Rose) Bingo, all of the wins were wiped away. End of story.
Now I wonder if anyone asked Duke if they played an ineligible player or actually several since more than one received improper benefits. Probably not. Did they ask UNC that question or UL. How did they answer? It really doesn't matter. Some get hammered and some get glorified.
I didn't understand that at all. It sounded like the NCAA basically trapped Memphis into giving them the excuse to punish them. As was shown, they never proved Rose cheated, and the NCAA didn't need Memphis to tell them that Rose played. What they apparently wanted to get Memphis to say was that they played an ineligible player, and then say, "see, they admitted it". I think if Memphis had spent millions like UNCheat, they could have won that one.
You are correct and not to mention, the Rose case was the fault of the NCAA Clearinghouse who cleared Rose to play that year and then covered their ass after the season with the BS....Even Dick Vitale has said many times that was their fault and not John Calipari's.....
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