Did you just say those guys were well prepared for the NBA because of Cal’s offensive sets?
That can actually be true. But also part of the problem. The nba and ncaa are two different games.
Did you just say those guys were well prepared for the NBA because of Cal’s offensive sets?
No, I accurately quoted Pat Riley who is among many who have said Kentucky players come into the NBA better prepared than others. It's all right there in my post for those who can read.Did you just say those guys were well prepared for the NBA because of Cal’s offensive sets?
well that's the goal isn't it?No, I accurately quoted Pat Riley who is among many who have said Kentucky players come into the NBA better prepared than others. It's all right there in my post for those who can read.
The tweet in the OP quoted an "expert" saying Kentucky's system and offense doesn't prepare players for the NBA. I cited Pat Riley's observations and other evidence that refutes that claim. It isn't more complicated than that. Not sure why that is hard to understand.well that's the goal isn't it?
Many many on this board have been saying the exact same thing for a long while.My main take from the tweet has nothing to do with Boston. The first thing that jumped out to me was the guy's characterization of Cal's offense as "archaic." His roster as "poorly constructed."
That's pretty harsh indictment on your coaching ability, to have NBA executives think your offense is "archaic."
His offense is archaic, there is no denying that compared to what the NBA runs. That being said I do think he does a good job preparing kids for the NBA off the court and individual development. He certainly gives his 5 stars an abundance of playing time and freedom to miss shots and make mistakes.The tweet in the OP quoted an "expert" saying Kentucky's system and offense doesn't prepare players for the NBA. I cited Pat Riley's observations and other evidence that refutes that claim. It isn't more complicated than that. Not sure why that is hard to understand.
Great question and something I have thought a lot about. It just doesn’t make sense.Cal loves the NBA so much, wonder why he doesn't run a pro-style offense?
You think Cal runs a modern offense?31 Kentucky players on opening day NBA rosters played under the same system. People like Pat Riley and many others have praised to the skies the preparation of Kentucky players coming into the NBA. Players like Tyler Herro and Devin Booker and many others have far outpaced expectations coming into the NBA very recently. Kentucky players, all but one Cal recruits, obliterated the NBA Finals record for points by players from a college program THREE MONTHS AGO..but NOW Cal's system and offense is inhibiting BJ Boston's draft prospects?
LOL. It's okay to express an opinion. But when a basic review of the facts renders your opinion idiotic, it is time to change it.
I'm not expert enough to say, if by "modern" offense you mean NBA offenses in vogue today. That's why my response didn't stray close to that. But it's faulty logic to say that "Cal's offense is hurting BJ Boston's draft prospects." How do we know it's faulty logic? The very recent statements to the contrary by top experts like Riley who say Kentucky players are MORE prepared than others, and the success of Kentucky players on entering the NBA, which proves they are prepared. That's all I said in my post.You think Cal runs a modern offense?
ManitouDan, my question is (not to you in particular, but to anybody) why does it suck? I get that as a fan we don't have to know why things aren't going the way we want or think they should. Fans want to win, and if the team is not winning enough, then all fans should be expected to say is that something needs to be changed and it's on the coaches to figure it out.Poor baby , that NBA exec done went and said something bad about Daddy Cal... I jest .. its so funny. If you dont think our offense sucks bad ass I dont even want to discuss with you .
Interesting that Kentucky’s “archaic offense” presented no challenge to Dontaie Allen, Devin Askew, Immanuel Quickley, Tyler Herro, PJ Washington, Nate Sestina, Wenyen Gabriel, Derek Willis, Tyler Ulis, Jamal Murray, Malik Monk, and Devin Booker.
Wonder why.
Didn't open the link, but have always disliked Givony and his hard-on for Cal. He is on Goodman's level when it comes to criticizing Cal and/or his players during the draft process.
there is a lot of great athletes who are not good basketball players.Interesting that Kentucky’s “archaic offense” presented no challenge to Dontaie Allen, Devin Askew, Immanuel Quickley, Tyler Herro, PJ Washington, Nate Sestina, Wenyen Gabriel, Derek Willis, Tyler Ulis, Jamal Murray, Malik Monk, and Devin Booker.
Wonder why.
I mean, no we don't. The NBA is 3 pointer first, we are the opposite. Maybe you could say that 10 years ago, but now no.This is absolutely a shot from CAA and co who no doubt have close ties to Boston via LeBron and Leon Rose (now with the Knicks, formerly with CAA).
It's complete nonsense for the reasons you listed. Ky is the best by far at showcasing and developing talent. It isn't even close. If anything, UK runs the closest thing to an nba type offense of anyone in college imo
I mean, no we don't. The NBA is 3 pointer first, we are the opposite. Maybe you could say that 10 years ago, but now no.
Difference is they have several shooters on the floor.He runs a lot of iso and pick n roll. The nba also does a lot of that.
ManitouDan, my question is (not to you in particular, but to anybody) why does it suck? I get that as a fan we don't have to know why things aren't going the way we want or think they should. Fans want to win, and if the team is not winning enough, then all fans should be expected to say is that something needs to be changed and it's on the coaches to figure it out.
But I would be interested to hear specifically what fellow posters think is wrong with the offense. Personally, I suspect the offensive system is not the real underlying problem, and doubt that it's that different from what's being employed at most every other top college basketball program. My belief is that the biggest issue is, and always has been, overreliance on freshmen - who, as a general and relative proposition, can't shoot and are not efficient at running any offensive system because of the lack of experience and comfortableness with the college game. Of course, if I'm right that doesn't let Calipari off the hook, because roster construction is his responsibility. Again, just curious to hear some good discussion on this, not start an argument.
It's all iso with some screen and roll and bigs trying to score via back to the basket.Not trying to be rude or confrontational but what IS Coach Calipari’s offense? I am a Kansas Fan but watch as much UK basketball as I can.
I mean KU has the high low when we have the players (which we currently do not) or lots of ball screens for shooters or slip screens for bigs (again, not so much this year. I honestly think we have less than five successful lobs this season).
UK offense seems a lot like ASU ball. I’m willing to be wrong and again, not trolling. Honestly asking.
I’ll try to point out a little of what I understand – although I’m just going on what I have seen and read, not pretending to be a guru:Not trying to be rude or confrontational but what IS Coach Calipari’s offense? I am a Kansas Fan but watch as much UK basketball as I can.
I mean KU has the high low when we have the players (which we currently do not) or lots of ball screens for shooters or slip screens for bigs (again, not so much this year. I honestly think we have less than five successful lobs this season).
UK offense seems a lot like ASU ball. I’m willing to be wrong and again, not trolling. Honestly asking.
And this is the problem with kids who “have” to be OAD. He’s putting so much pressure on himself to be great and show what he can do and it’s affecting his confidence and his mentality towards the team aspects of the game.i truly believe that Boston is having problems with the mental part of the game and see that players that he is playing against now are just as fast or just as good or better than he is. Everyone is not the same so maybe it is going to take him a little longer to adjust to college game.
I think he declared the other night after the first possession going 1 on 4 when his shot from under the goal ended up closer to the PA than the rim. I thought that took balls and was creative.I think Boston will be fine. Seems like the coaching staff is giving him some bench time to get him refocused. I actually think he has shown some flashes of his potential the past couple games. Not where he needs to be by any means but the potential is definitely there. If he ultimately needs another year nothing wrong with that, a sophomore Boston would be awesome and likely a top 5 draft pick.
He doesn't have an offense.Not trying to be rude or confrontational but what IS Coach Calipari’s offense? I am a Kansas Fan but watch as much UK basketball as I can.
I mean KU has the high low when we have the players (which we currently do not) or lots of ball screens for shooters or slip screens for bigs (again, not so much this year. I honestly think we have less than five successful lobs this season).
UK offense seems a lot like ASU ball. I’m willing to be wrong and again, not trolling. Honestly asking.