"The earth's climate really is strongly affected by the greenhouse effect, although the physics is not the same as that which makes real, glassed-in greenhouses work. Without greenhouse warming, the earth would be much too cold to sustain its current abundance of life. However, at least 90% of greenhouse warming is due to water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide is a bit player. There is little argument in the scientific community that a direct effect of doubling the CO2 concentration will be a small increase of the earth's temperature -- on the order of one degree. Additional increments of CO2 will cause relatively less direct warming because we already have so much CO2 in the atmosphere that it has blocked most of the infrared radiation that it can. It is like putting an additional ski hat on your head when you already have a nice warm one below it, but your are only wearing a windbreaker. To really get warmer, you need to add a warmer jacket. The IPCC thinks that this extra jacket is water vapor and clouds." - Will Happer
Well respected physicist from Princeton. Guess Z is smarter than this guy too. That is an excerpt of his testimony to Congress.
But Co2 isn't the only one thats gone up, methane which has 28% more heating effect than Co2 has gone up close 300% in the same time frame.
But Co2 isn't the only one thats gone up, methane which has 28% more heating effect than Co2 has gone up close 300% in the same time frame.
Methane has a lifespan in the atmosphere of about 12 years. Co2 can persist for thousands of years. What we're putting up there is staying up there.But Co2 isn't the only one thats gone up, methane which has 28% more heating effect than Co2 has gone up close 300% in the same time frame.
I understand that Z, but methane has gone up more than 300%, it doesn't matter how long it stays in the atmosphere, it's still there and has a much higher heating effect than Co2.
So why is Co2 being blamed for the rise in temps when a much more effective greenhouse gas has risen even more in the same timeframe?
In fact all greenhouse gases have risen, except moisture.
I understand that Z, but methane has gone up more than 300%.
The 300% increase in methane (CH4) is from pre-industrial times. Current global concentration of CH4 is around 1750 ppb (1.75 ppm) CO2 concentration is just over 400 ppm. Methane is a more effective GHG than CO2 but not over 228 times more effective. I'm not sure of the point you want to make. If all human CH4 contributions were eliminated it would be like dropping CO2 from 400 to to around 370. About 15 years worth.
Unless science can be explained to those who have no interest in understanding it, then the science itself is proven a hoax. That's what we're dealing with. Just an endless parade of nonsense. The entire world's body of scientific understanding all saying something and a bunch of hayseeds on a message board holding their hand over their ears going "na na na na na".
Unless science can be explained to those who have no interest in understanding it, then the science itself is proven a hoax. That's what we're dealing with. Just an endless parade of nonsense. The entire world's body of scientific understanding all saying something and a bunch of hayseeds on a message board holding their hand over their ears going "na na na na na".
it's worse than not wanting to understand. There's vanity and greed to contend with. The military is dealing with climate change. in public pronouncements even fossil fuel companies acknowledge it.
but privately there would be trillions of dollars left in the ground. so we get paid-for nonsense. what a world.
Go outside at 12 noon. Feel the heat? Go outside at 12 midnight. Now tell me where the heat comes from. We started putting CFC's into the air and depleting the ozone layer. Yep, the same ozone layer that regulates the amount of sun energy that reaches the Earth. The Montreal Protocol had an obvious and measureable effect on our contribution to the climate.
CO2 follows the rise and fall of temperature. More sunlight striking the Earth leads to more CO2 being released from the oceans. The obvious explanation for the hiatus is the throttle we placed on the CFC engine. CO2 levels continued to increase due to the increased heat. The heat is irrespective of CO2.
Name one other aspect of science in the history of man where the data and method of discovery has been denied from peer review. Name me one other scientific discovery that has been declared "settled" based upon consensus and not verification.
I don't believe any of you misguided guys are stupid, I prefer to think you are biased due to your agendas. Funny that all of you are proclaimed Socialists.
It is very easy to go back and look at the first IPCC report and compare it to the last and see the difference in the temperature history. It is a well known and admitted fact that the history was changed to fit the agenda. Don't use that tired argument as a rebuttal.
I have just admitted to man made global warming. I cited a different cause. Does your "settled science" dispute the fact that CFC's depleted the ozone layer? Do you dispute that depleted ozone allows more solar energy to reach the Earth? Do you dispute the fact that Solar energy causes warming of the Earth?
Does it make sense to you that the pause in releasing CFC's precedes and predicts a neutralizing effect to the former warming? Have you ever been "sure" about something and been wrong?