Yes you do. You tell the coach to man up and do what he is being paid to do.
Did Barnhart Really Say No to an Offensive Guru?
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even if it means a loss to St. Peters or USC at Rupp?
Do we have faith that he is even capable of that at this point?
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can't say I agree with a $50m buyout holding you hostage
Oh I’ve never defended Mitch on Cal’s absurd contract and buyout, that’s on Mitch and something he’s going to have to answer for.
I’m only taking up for Mitch on the facilities and additional support staff complaints.
yea but I think you and I, and a bunch of other people are in agreement that Cal needs to revamp his offensively philosophy in order to be relevant in the current state of college basketball
So why would any of us want to stand in the way of Cal bringing in a new OC, even if it means dropping $1m more a year into the program?
I think @UK90 touched on this we’re at our NCAA assistant limit already. He would have to fire one of his present assistants to make this happen. I’m all for it but would Cal be all for firing one of his buddies?
You’re a smart guy. I usually agree with you.
Why can’t he use one of his very well paid assistant positions to fill that role? What does his boy Bruiser Flint do? Isn’t that literally why you have assistant coaches. He’s only allowed by the NCAA to have so many. Right now if I’m not mistaken we have the highest paid assistant coaching staff in the country. If Cal hasn’t met all his needs with the support he’s been given, that’s on him. Not the AD
Does Duke, KU, UNC and other top schools have additional staff? I read somewhere that they did. If they do, Barnhart should let Cal get one. However, a $9 million a year coach shouldn’t need it. If Stoops wanted one, I wonder if Barnhart would have a problem allowing it? He seems all in on football. Barnhart needs to realize that we are known for basketball. We shouldn’t be behind nobody when it comes to facilities and all. Barnhart is partly to blame for the divide between the 2 programs.
Yes, football has an offensive coordinator. We have as many coaches as are allowable by the NCAA.
If I’m Mitch, I’m sitting down with Cal and we’re talking about every member of the current staff and talking about what are their roles and responsibilities. Because if this is something you need, there’s no reason it can’t be filled by one of the current positions. Absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Basketball already has more coaches than it should need, Cal rarely has over 10 scholarship players, 4-5 coaches for 10 players!
LOL . Cal ain’t hiring or listening to any “offensive guru”.
I'm not arguing about the money
You have to set money aside. Ky is locked in to a crazy contract. Nothing changes that.
You are coming of as punitive to Cal at the expense of the program because of what he is paid.
At this point, no one except Cal can do anything about how he is paid.
We have to get past the punitive side of being mad about what he is paid.
Give the man an offensive coordinator.
If that means telling him you'll do it but he has to renegotiate his contract, all the leverage is yours
if he refuses, you hire him an OC and UK fails to meet expectations, then hang him out to dry.
But if the coach is saying, this is what I need to be successful, and you say no you can't have it but you keep the coach, knowing he will be unsuccesful
then the bullseye is on you for the program's failures. To make matters worse that lifetime contract has zero, I repeat , zero performance clauses in it.
So the AD has put the university in a position where the coach asks for additional help, the AD says no, and the coach just goes and puts his feet on his desk and reads a magazine.
In no way shape or form is that good for the program
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I think the biggest disconnect you and I are having here is my problem isn’t really what Cal is being paid.
The bigger issue here is that Cal HAS A STAFF. He has assistant coaches already. Several, very well paid assistants. As many as the NCAA will allow. If he needs another member of his already huge and well paid support staff, the AD has to ask about what the roles and responsibilities are for your current staff? If a head coach needs help designing his offense, that’s literally why assistant coach positions exist. And if one of those roles isn’t pulling their weight, you cut them loose. The money is there. But you might have to do the hard thing and fire a guy to access it. It’s up to Cal, not Mitch.
I'm sure he has the maximum number of assistants
Was there outrage when we added a director of basketball operations? Did we get into the daily grit of why an assistant coach couldn't be director of basketball operations? What about the Associate AD of Basketball Operations?
There are multiple positions that can be added that bypass the assistant coach rule.
Yea, Mitch can say Cal has more than enough help,
but at the end of the day, Mitch is pissing up a rope with that contract.
He can choose to give Cal what he wants in the hopes (and I assume we want this) that Cal has new energy in the program to be successful
or he can fight him and watch us lose to Alabama by 20.
We're on the same side when it comes to Cal, but there was as time if the basketball coach said he needed something, UK went thru hoops to make sure he had it - and cost was never an issue.
At the end of the day, the pragmatic solution to this is to do whatever can be done to help Cal if you aren't going to buy him out and get rid of him.
Was there outrage when we added a director of basketball operations? Did we get into the daily grit of why an assistant coach couldn't be director of basketball operations? What about the Associate AD of Basketball Operations?
There are multiple positions that can be added that bypass the assistant coach rule.
Yea, Mitch can say Cal has more than enough help,
but at the end of the day, Mitch is pissing up a rope with that contract.
He can choose to give Cal what he wants in the hopes (and I assume we want this) that Cal has new energy in the program to be successful
or he can fight him and watch us lose to Alabama by 20.
We're on the same side when it comes to Cal, but there was as time if the basketball coach said he needed something, UK went thru hoops to make sure he had it - and cost was never an issue.
At the end of the day, the pragmatic solution to this is to do whatever can be done to help Cal if you aren't going to buy him out and get rid of him.
I'm just a dumb old country boy. I don't see why a basketball team needs as many coaches as a football program. He has assistants. Use one of those slots for offense and one for defense.
Once more...........NINE million dollars. For one guy. That apparently doesn't want to run the offense.
Once more...........NINE million dollars. For one guy. That apparently doesn't want to run the offense.
They can sell some of you any lie. Highest paid coach, highest paid coaching staff, highest recruiting budget, but no to an offensive guru? LOL. As if Cal would ever change his antiquated offense anyway. 80% of the fans recognize the issue which he refuses to fix. This was a nice deflection tactic tho, easy to pull off with this fan base.
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LOL at thinking Cal doesn’t pick his assistants and can’t choose an “offensive guru” if he wanted.
Barnhart is all in on football and seems to get whatever Stoops wants. We just hired an OC for $1.8 million and 2 other assistants make over a million. Barnhart gave Cal that ridiculous contract, and it seems to me he doesn’t care if Cal or Kentucky basketball has the best advantages anymore. It almost looks like he wants to make Kentucky a football school.
Ridiculous
FYI, Orlando Antigua is the highest paid assistant basketball coach in the entire country.
If he can't do it, you pressure him to step down or move into a different role at the U. If he needs more help than is within the rules to give, he needs to acknowledge he's in over his head and move on.
THIS is the real problem. He let his assts coach in the Bahamas. Now they won't get a sniff at influencing the way they play. Why do that, if you won't listen to them in season?
Of course, why not play all of the players on the bench to see who gives you a spark? Why keep the KY kids in the doghouse? Why refuse to work on free throws every practice? Why neglect to address playing against any zone defense?
It's really down to one person.
He can deflect all he wants. He can LIE all he wants to... He can even try to make it about "fans vs players" when it clearly never is.
OR
(In Samuel Jacksonese) "The 9Mill MFER can find some balls and get after it. Read a book on basketball MFER! The problem is staring at you when you shave!"
Poor Cal has to somehow figure out how to win with the highest paid coaching staff in the land and the highest recruiting budget. He’s stuck in an ancient 15 year old $30 million practice facility that has seen numerous upgrades over the years including a $4 million locker room upgrade 4 years ago. I’m not sure how he can be expected to run a competent offense or field a quality team with more advantages than any coach in the country.
That's exactly it. It's a political move to pit this sht out there to keep attention off of Cal. I'm not buying and neither are a lot of other people. Accuse someone else to get some breathing room. He better use it effectively or it will get much harder next time around
I don't think any of the points here are wrong against Cal getting an OC
and yea, if Cal really wanted a dedicated OC he can make that happen'
but there is a certain amount of gamesmanship in this.
I'm willing to support or try a number of things if I believe they can get us closer to a title game
and I tend to believe if this was 2015 Cal and he said he needed an offensive OC on top of everything else he had, no one would say no or even think twice about it.
I'm also on the side of Cal has lost his edge
but another argument all of us had is he wasn't doing anything about it
so here is an instance where, at least on the surface, it seems he is trying to do something about it
so I'm still lost on people fighting it
We can't replace it, so why not support trying to fix it? That's not tacet approval of Cal, matter of fact its an acknowledgement he can't do it anymore.
and yea, if Cal really wanted a dedicated OC he can make that happen'
but there is a certain amount of gamesmanship in this.
I'm willing to support or try a number of things if I believe they can get us closer to a title game
and I tend to believe if this was 2015 Cal and he said he needed an offensive OC on top of everything else he had, no one would say no or even think twice about it.
I'm also on the side of Cal has lost his edge
but another argument all of us had is he wasn't doing anything about it
so here is an instance where, at least on the surface, it seems he is trying to do something about it
so I'm still lost on people fighting it
We can't replace it, so why not support trying to fix it? That's not tacet approval of Cal, matter of fact its an acknowledgement he can't do it anymore.
N0BODY …not Mitch nor anyone else … is preventing him from having one. If Cal wants to hire such a person, all he has to do is get rid of someone on his current staff and bring in an offensive-minded guy to serve that role.
There is no other way it can be done ..at least within the rules … because there’s no such thing as an “offensive coordinator” position in college sports that is exempt from the coach limit rules. Even in football the OC counts against the number of assistants that are allowed.
If UK attempted do that …but claimed he didn’t count as an assistant coach …the NCAA would almost certainly see through it and disallow it as an impermissible attempt to circumvent the rules.
how with a multi year , multi million dollar contract that has not a single performance clause in it?
let me rephrase that - how without inflicting harm on the program ?
I agree that he should replace the role that Robic played on the staff with a competent assistant
Exactly. Money is not the solution to our problem. If anything we’re already wasting too much money.
Agreed. But let’s stop pretending like Mitch or anyone else is preventing him from doing it. That’s nothing but a silly nonsensical rumor.
The ball is in Cal’s court. He chooses his own staff. Nobody’s stopping him from bringing in a new guy …but he’ll have to get rid of somebody on his current staff to keep it within the rules. Is he willing to do that?
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Im sick of hearing about an offensive coordinator!! You're making 10million a year, you are a hofer and claim you set the gold standard. If you cannot put a compentantant offense on the court then you have no business holding the job. PERIOD! This is beyond belief.
Maybe Ulis will have a positive impact on the offense. He ran it while he was here, it certainly wasn’t Cal.
Cal really wants to start the best lineup that gives us the best chance to win but Mitch Barnhart won’t let him.
The WAY he treated Robic may be why he doesn't have the options he'd like to replace him. That word travels fast among coaches. Treat someone like sht right before they're about to qualify for a retirement package... I know I wouldn't trust the guy not to stab me in the back.
UK pays 13million or more for men's basketball coaches,why should Cal get another dime for coaches ?
So Cal is the D and rebounding coach. A student aid and a Video guy watch video and scout the other team. So what the heck does everyone else do? Nobody does inbound plays. No "Offensive Coordinator" apparently. Seriously? WTF do the rest of them do? Yes Men? Cal's Clown Posse? Carry his suitcase? Pay him for good seats. Good lord.
Why are you comparing football and basketball coaching staffs? They are totally different animals. I'm 72 yrs old and never in my life have I heard of an offensive coordinator for basketball. If you need one , you don't need your job!!
Cal is apparently ending generational poverty of his friends too.
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How did he supposedly treat Robic? Last time I heard Robic speak he couldn't have been more thankful to Cal.
I guess I missed this conspiracy theory?
I don't think I have heard of a head basketball coach asking for an offense and defense coordinator in addition to his current assistants.
It may be the dumbest comment to come out of a coach's mouth. The staff is so big now it is almost a 1:1 ration player to staff. Cal might want to ask the video "coach" for some help. This person seems to know more about the game and team than anyone else.
It may be the dumbest comment to come out of a coach's mouth. The staff is so big now it is almost a 1:1 ration player to staff. Cal might want to ask the video "coach" for some help. This person seems to know more about the game and team than anyone else.
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