Diallo doing mop up time
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Why can't you acknowledge you were helped out by a dirty official who hates Cal and UK?
I don't get the narrative that Self doesn't play freshman early.
Giddens
Wright
Rush
Chalmers
Taylor
Morris
Henry
Selby
Mclemore
Wiggins
Embiid
Selden
Oubre
These are all players who were starting and playing big minutes their freshman season in the past 12 years at KU. Furthermore, I could add on a large list of players who were starting and playing a lot by their sophomore year.
I just never understood where this narrative came from. Also, when did it become a bad thing for a coach to play more experienced, seasoned guys over raw freshmen? I know some here get it, but from reading other comments it's as if Bill is just crazy and doesn't know what he's doing when he plays senior over freshman. Again, when did that become something to ridicule, especially considering the success Self has had?
Well cal is 3-2 against bill self. All 3 of the wins have come on a neutral court and none of them were particularly close. Bill Selfs 2 wins were both in overtime. One of which was in Phog Allen and aided greatly by some serious home cooking by one official that seems to have a vendetta against Cal and another that seems prone to making bad calls in close games in Kansas favor.
The other loss was in the 08 title obviously when Derrick Rose and Chris Douglas Roberts choked at the free throw line.
Self is extremely lucky he's not 0-5 against Cal.
I love the influx of new screen name migrating from the hawks nest over here. That in itself is funny
Certainly got Selden's. Dude averaged 7 ppg the next 4 games after his career high 33 against UK.
Since you brought up the first OU game, do you honestly think you guys committed ZERO fouls in 3 overtimes? Or that they shouldn't have got the ball back after Mason illegally touched the inbound pass?
Or the scenario where neither of them are playing for Kansas next year.
Which isn't improbable by any stretch.
How's josh selby doing these days? He was a can't miss guy and well Kansas missed like most of the players they get
The Kansas-Kentucky narrative is this simple if one is trying to measure both programs at their best:
Kentucky wins by 32 on a neutral court.
Kansas wins in OT, on their court, in a game where they shoot 46 free throws.
You have "zero doubt" Kansas is the better team. Based on what, the game where you guys were a fumbled Ulis pass away from losing in a game that was gift-wrapped for you on your home court?
Your team appears to be yet another paper tiger. Don't let the OU wins get to your head. College ball is way down this year, and there's 20 teams out there that could you knock you off at any given point in the tournament.
Kansas' overdependence on their AFH environment had undoubtedly played a role in their neutral court tournament meltdowns over the years.
Did you notice he had no retort for your position on Kansas' home-cooking? Kansas fans know it to be true. They needed the best home-court advantage in the world, a veteran team, and 46 free throws to take down one of Cal's worst teams in the last decade.
Very telling. Their forthcoming fate is palpable.
How would anyone even know about Kansas' "best effort" when all they had to do was run around in their half-court sets and wait for the whistle to blow?
You have a team of vets that barely beat one of Cal's worst teams in the last decade, playing on your home court, and needed OT to drive off a pesky UK team that fouled-out it's entire frontline.
In a mere two years, Billy Donovan matched the national title total that Kansas had amassed between 1939 and 2007 (the years of the NCAA Tournament).
The amount of shame found in that sentence must be immeasurably burdensome for your fan base.
Lol I love how he threw in josh Jackson like he's a cure all. He will play in California or Michigan, why would he got to the mid west farm country to play there. If Diallo and Bragg do leave, who will they get? They have 1 guy in the 80s signed for next year.
Azubuike and Bragg will start together next year. The key is Selden. If he comes back for his senior year, KU will be primed to have a great regular season again and ultimately lose to a mid-major in the tournament.
I hope Diallo and Selden realize that getting away from Mr. Jacob Marley (Self) and his shackled system of chain-pulling basketball is the best thing they can do.
Maybe. Wayne has enough talent to crack a roster and be a two year, 15th man practice player before he gets booted overseas. He's probably a second round pick. I don't see the benefit in him coming back, though.
No...unless he's related to Paul Pierce.
Trust me...it'll take a lot more than that to keep them out of the tourney. Or the top 10 for that matter.
Yep... Terribly ashamed to follow a program which has participated in nearly 20% of final fours, and 12% of national championship games. Not to mention many accomplishments prior to.
Best team doesn't always win a one and done.
You can't say you wouldn't trade your "accomplishments" for atleast one more ring I mean come on man 98% of us here would. Is it acceptable in Kansas to just win one every 20 years?
No....I wouldn't trade all the final fours and NC appearances for one more title.
Is it acceptable to have 3 titles at this date? No. KU should have 10.
But am I going to let someone convince me that my program is on a lower tier when they're nearly equal in all-time wins, final fours and title game appearances...the only difference being the outcome of a handful of games, most of which were long ago in a completely different era?
Also no.
Good post Ukblue, I agree 100%. Being nice in stead of an A Hole never hurts, and it makes us look better as fans.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
I didn't mind Big C Ku's comment. I didn't see anything wrong with it. He seemed like he was genuinely trying to start a civil conversation.
Kilmo is consistently a homer though. And there's nothing wrong with being a homer on your own board but coming over to another team board and doing it is just asking for a bad response.
The other KU fan in the thread even admitted he was trolling. Chalk is probably just defending his team.
It's telling they feel like they need approval from us though.
Are you sure you're okay with Self's resume as KU's head coach Kansas fans? Because you don't seem like you are.
Kilmo is consistently a homer though. And there's nothing wrong with being a homer on your own board but coming over to another team board and doing it is just asking for a bad response.
The other KU fan in the thread even admitted he was trolling. Chalk is probably just defending his team.
It's telling they feel like they need approval from us though.
Are you sure you're okay with Self's resume as KU's head coach Kansas fans? Because you don't seem like you are.
most of the KU fans who post here are fine, IMO
we get a troll every now and then - but it is what it is.
Still wish we could be in the Big12 though - best....conference....ever
we get a troll every now and then - but it is what it is.
Still wish we could be in the Big12 though - best....conference....ever
[/QUOTE]most of the KU fans who post here are fine, IMO
we get a troll every now and then - but it is what it is.
Still wish we could be in the Big12 though - best....conference....ever
Trade? Sign me up.
Yeah Cal was coaching a mid major during one of those title games. At UK he is 3-1. Your one win was at home with some major home cooking with your best team in years agaist the 2nd worst team Cal has had. Congrats Ku, the best regular season team ever. Its all about what you do inMarch, and Bucknell Bill ain't to good.
You seem like a fair poster. Do you think the number of free throw were caused by the UK defense instead of the Refs? The Kansas games was not the only game that UK got into foul trouble.
Yes, UK has struggled with fouls all season, but never to that extent. You do realize you guys shot 47 free throws and that UK had 33 personal fouls called on them, right? Two of the calls on Willis and two of the calls on Lee ended up being the difference in the game. The same calls were not made against Kansas, not with any sense of objective equity.
Further, I am not a fair poster when it comes to dealing with fans of opposing teams who constantly want to create a one-sided spin for their own program on this message board. That said, I can almost guarantee you that you and most of your fellow Jayhawk fans were openly cheering for the demise of UK in last year's tournament. When it happened, I have no doubt all of you were beyond overjoyed. Can you deny this charge? If so, please explain why you wouldn't have cared if UK ran the table. It's a hard thing to do, if you actually managed to remain neutral towards UK's momentous flirtation with history.
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This home cooking whining gets kinda old.
The facts show that KU, at least in recent years, has a lower free throw disparity at home than other blue bloods. Far lower than Duke's or Kentucky's. Even Kentucky's players and coaches admit they foul way too much. Not sure why fans can't figure this out.
KU was aggressive in the 2nd half while UK settled for jumpers. Shocking that there would be a disparity.
"Best team in years" is highly debatable. It's a pretty typical KU team. Probably wouldn't rank that high in Self's KU tenure. It's also weaker than many of Roy's and Larry Brown's teams. Whereas those 3 wins you all boast about were accomplished by two of your greatest teams EVER vs two of the weakest KU rosters in a long time.
Two of those three wins was placed upon your 2012 runner-up team, one of your "weakest" rosters in a long time? Maybe Self should stack his teams with "weak" rosters more often, considering his strong rosters scarcely make it out of the first weekend alive.
And your notion that a 47 to 22 free throw disparity is indicative to some sort of objectively-called game is purely the workings of your subjective opinion and muddied memory. Watch the game again, and try to do so with an objective conscience. Specifically, focus on the Lee/Willis fouls and ask yourself if those same types of calls were made against the Kansas bigs as well.
Further, why are you even posting here? I'm all for opposing fans posting on a UK message board, but I'm not for spin and subjective spewings from rival fans in an effort to convert UK fans to your flawed ideology.
Loaded as in not possessing one solitary McDonald's All-American on the roster besides Rose? Loaded as in Rose being the only first round pick on the entire roster?
That kind of loaded?
We are talking about college teams right? Not NBA?
You're right, they sucked. They only carved their way through the tourney field easily, including handling a UCLA team that included Kevin Love, Westbrook, Mbah a Moute and Darren Collison.
Sweet Jesus. I mean, are we really having this discussion? Midmajor?
I root for the Jayhawks. I am an alum. When they were out of the tournament last year I didn't watch another game. So I wasn't openly cheering for or against any team. I wouldn't call it neutral. I would call it disinterested more than anything. But I would say it would be odd for me to root for Duke, Kentucky or UNC. I am not really an one-sided spin poster. I am more of a reactive poster on this board. I see a Kansas thread, I post. I have never started a thread on Rupp.
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