Diallo debuts for Kansas

[.S&C.]

Is Kansas good? Umm, if Cal retained most of his players year a after year, would we be good?

We will be fine against Kansas. Stop being such little P*******s. Ulis will be playing. They're the same scrubs they always were, they're just seniors now.

This is why bill self is about to fall off the OAD wagon. He can't win with them and they know it. Congratulations Kansas. With the returning starters year after year, you'll have one Great season every 4 years.

lol.

 

[UK till Death]

While it will be a tough game in Lawrence against the ChokeHawks,Kansas is and always will be Kentucky's Bitch,the Chokehawks want revenge,but I don't think they have the nads and aren't man enough to beat the CATS

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Kansas.html

One word describes that link: DOMINATION

 

[Clive Gollings]

Is Kansas good? Umm, if Cal retained most of his players year a after year, would we be good?

We will be fine against Kansas. Stop being such little P*******s. Ulis will be playing. They're the same scrubs they always were, they're just seniors now.

This is why bill self is about to fall off the OAD wagon. He can't win with them and they know it. Congratulations Kansas. With the returning starters year after year, you'll have one Great season every 4 years.

lol.

 

[BostonCat2001]

Is Kansas good? Umm, if Cal retained most of his players year a after year, would we be good?

We will be fine against Kansas. Stop being such little P*******s. Ulis will be playing. They're the same scrubs they always were, they're just seniors now.

This is why bill self is about to fall off the OAD wagon. He can't win with them and they know it. Congratulations Kansas. With the returning starters year after year, you'll have one Great season every 4 years.

lol.

good point. the bright side of under achieving year after year is that it suppresses the talents of the kids. at some point you can stock pile the talent despite whiffing on the recruiting trail.

 

[Kiimohawk]

the desperate need to be seen as our equal. ku fans are really transparent. they want to be us. so they are constantly over here trying to sell what they are and where they are at.

Never confuse wanting to win and recruit the best players with wanting to be Kentucky.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

Ku needed this kid more than the kid needed Ku. Let's be honest for a second. If this kid never got to play college basketball, he still would have been a lotto pick on potential alone. Now that he is playing college basketball, his stock can only go down when Self decides to limit the kid's playing time. I know that sounds dumb, but if the past tells us anything, it tells us that Self will play guys not as talented as freshman as long as they have been playing for him longer. Without this kid, Ku would be another early out in March. Ku has bigs, but most of them besides this kid sucks at basketball. Ellis is a 6'9 balding shooting guard. I would hardly call him a post player. If Self gives this kid the playing time needed to become special, this kid will become special. He has a nonstop motor and when you are dealing with a nonstop motor in a kid, there is lil to no chance he will be a bust. He doesn't give Ku that much offense, but defense and rebounding are going to be 2 things this kid does great at.

 

[BostonCat2001]

Never confuse wanting to win and recruit the best players with wanting to be Kentucky.

when your fans are over here constantly trying to tell me laden lucas is even serviceable, kelly oubre played PF in high school so he needs to come off the bench, and how ku leads for any and all recruits...i'm not confused at all because its really really transparent.

 

[Double Tay]

Look at the list of players over the past six years that cal and self have both recruited that ultimately went to Kansas but were then ruled ineligible either temporarily or permanently. At what point are we allowed to start questioning self and how he's getting recruits? Can you even imagine the narrative if the opposite were true?

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Is Kansas good? Umm, if Cal retained most of his players year a after year, would we be good?

We will be fine against Kansas. Stop being such little P*******s. Ulis will be playing. They're the same scrubs they always were, they're just seniors now.

This is why bill self is about to fall off the OAD wagon. He can't win with them and they know it. Congratulations Kansas. With the returning starters year after year, you'll have one Great season every 4 years.

lol.

I forgot Poythress, Willis, Hawkins, Ulis and Lee are all freshmen.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Ku needed this kid more than the kid needed Ku. Let's be honest for a second. If this kid never got to play college basketball, he still would have been a lotto pick on potential alone. Now that he is playing college basketball, his stock can only go down when Self decides to limit the kid's playing time. I know that sounds dumbbut if the past tells us anything, it tells us that Self will play guys not as talented as freshman as long as they have been playing for him longer. Without this kid, Ku would be another early out in March. Ku has bigs, but most of them besides this kid sucks at basketball. Ellis is a 6'9 balding shooting guard. I would hardly call him a post player. If Self gives this kid the playing time needed to become special, this kid will become special. He has a nonstop motor and when you are dealing with a nonstop motor in a kid, there is lil to no chance he will be a bust. He doesn't give Ku that much offense, but defense and rebounding are going to be 2 things this kid does great at,.

The same can be said for many players who have played at UK and watched their stock drop (Poythress, Harrisons, Murray, Briscoe etc.). It takes some players longer to "get it" than it does others and some just aren't as good as their high school hype. It happens everywhere - see Malik Newman, etc.

Anyway, your post sounds bitter and angry. Why are you so angry? College basketball is supposed to bring fans joy.

 

[BostonCat2001]

I forgot Poythress, Willis, Hawkins, Ulis and Lee are all freshmen.

i dont know why ku fans insist on starting this fight when its a clear loss every time. again just shows how transparent they are. the evidence is overwhelming and no one outside ku circles see it they way they do.

with cal...it is usually the case 5 star kids do great and go on to the NBA to have success. there are exceptions.
with self...it is usually the case that 5 star kids do poorly and have little to no success. there are exceptions.

ku fans want to live and go all in on the exception part....have at it, but again, its obvious, transparent, and desperate.

 

[Slowwalker]

The same can be said for many players who have played at UK and watched their stock drop (Poythress, Harrisons, Murray, Briscoe etc.). It takes some players longer to "get it" than it does others and some just aren't as good as their high school hype. It happens everywhere - see Malik Newman, etc.

Anyway, your post sounds bitter and angry. Why are you so angry? College basketball is supposed to bring fans joy.

How has Murray or Briscoe seen their stock drop?

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

How has Murray or Briscoe seen their stock drop?

Would be drafted on potential if they never played at Kentucky.

Now playing at Kentucky, can only see their stock drop. A weak draft is going to help one and dones this year and I still see Murray fitting the bill, I don't see Briscoe being a one and done. He may enter the draft, but he's not going in the first round.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Would be drafted on potential if they never played at Kentucky.

Now playing at Kentucky, can only see their stock drop. A weak draft is going to help one and dones this year and I still see Murray fitting the bill, I don't see Briscoe being a one and done. He may enter the draft, but he's not going in the first round.

Good thing you are wrong 90% of the time. Seriously , your prediction privileges are revoked. You only get to be dead wrong so many times before you should just stop.

 

[BBUK]

Good thing you are wrong 90% of the time. Seriously , your prediction privileges are revoked. You only get to be dead wrong so many times before you should just stop.

Very true but predictions are still made by the same losers. Kind of like gambling and losing your shirt. Give him another quarter....

 

[RC_Texas]

Don't get me wrong. I like you. It's just easy to pick on a rival fan because they visit this site daily (plus your whole Skal take). I have visited KU forums before and I can completely understand why you don't post there. It's clear this is the best college basketball forum period, and it's cool to have fans from other schools to confirm it.

I will take that as high complement from you...plus my Skal take turned out right, but I digress

 

[RC_Texas]

omg....that dunk from the kid from texas. wow....now THAT is a dunk!!!

I have to admit that was Number One...

 

[Cornered Weasel]

Doesn't take much to shake your confidence in a game two months away. Weak.

You really may want to re-enroll in that anger management course you failed.

 

[JerseyCat84]

You really may want to re-enroll in that anger management course you failed.

Not sure where you detected anger?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

No Loyola is not going to the tournament this year.

Nah, they're much better than that. They're probably capable of doing what Northern Iowa, Bradley, or Bucknell did by defeating a higher seed in a tournament outcome no one saw coming...

 

[Wall2Boogie]

He's a good player, but it's going to take him a while like skal. Good luck gettingason or Ellis to pass the ball. What the hell has Bragg done? Now that diallo is there his minutes will decline. If diallo is lucky Ellis may take a leave of absence by the time we play them so he can see his grandson being born. Kansas will come out all pumped up probably score 10 unanswered give each other a reach around saying job well done then go cold. Ky will just have to win the second for mins if they don't win the first. I think we will be fine

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Would be drafted on potential if they never played at Kentucky.

Now playing at Kentucky, can only see their stock drop. A weak draft is going to help one and dones this year and I still see Murray fitting the bill, I don't see Briscoe being a one and done. He may enter the draft, but he's not going in the first round.

Towns' stock went up. So did Booker's, WCS's and Lyles'. One could point to the twins as an example of dropping stock, but they'd have failed to notice that the twins were beneficiaries of a high school class that featured virtually zero other top guards. They'd also have ignored Aaron Harrison's glaring perimeter weaknesses as a junior and senior in high school when he failed to shoot better than 33% from three in both years.

By comparison, Andrew Harrison would likely be ranked behind class of '16 studs like Smith, Fox, maybe even Simmons. Did his stock drop? Technically, yes it did (and people placed him high, in part, because he was coming in to play for Calipari); but for every Andrew Harrison out there whose stock slid, there are three or four Josh Harrelsons/WCS-types who actually saw higher stock improvement after coming to Kentucky.

 

[Bluest Member]

The same can be said for many players who have played at UK and watched their stock drop (Poythress, Harrisons, Murray, Briscoe etc.). It takes some players longer to "get it" than it does others and some just aren't as good as their high school hype. It happens everywhere - see Malik Newman, etc.

Anyway, your post sounds bitter and angry. Why are you so angry? College basketball is supposed to bring fans joy.

Since when has Murray or Briscoes stock dropped ,considering they are freshmen you dimwit,Poythress stock was high last year until he tore his ACL and the Harrisons are doing just fine after one year at UK,you are the dumbest of the dumbass UL fans that hang out over here so they can see a real program unlike Whore Island.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

The same can be said for many players who have played at UK and watched their stock drop (Poythress, Harrisons, Murray, Briscoe etc.). It takes some players longer to "get it" than it does others and some just aren't as good as their high school hype. It happens everywhere - see Malik Newman, etc.

Anyway, your post sounds bitter and angry. Why are you so angry? College basketball is supposed to bring fans joy.

You're truly clueless when it comes to this statement. Poythress wasn't even ranked in the top 20 until he committed to Kentucky. Then, almost on a "oh he's going to play for Cal" whim, some of the mock drafts started listing him as a potential first round pick and he suddenly climbed as high as #8 in high school overall rankings. Probably had more to do with his potential under Cal than some stupid standard you're retroactively trying to measure him by. Check his former class rankings, his draft stock rise, and how both of them correspond to his commitment at UK. You will see that I am right.

Also, Murray and Briscoe have a full year left before you can say their stock dropped. Until then, we can assume both of them will still be drafted higher than your three year, former five star guard, Wayne Selden.

 

[Bungalow Bill]

I forgot Poythress, Willis, Hawkins, Ulis and Lee are all freshmen.

You realize those are players from 4 different classes? During that time we signed about 20 players so the other 15 are playing professionally instead of staying in college. Only Poythrees was considered a OAD out of the guys you named and Willis and Hawkins were always going to struggle for minutes at UK. Cal's just better at everything when it comes to getting guys to the pros than Self or anyone else.

 

[Orange Soda King]

Sheesh... Pissing matches between UK fans and KU fans. The few KU fans that post here actually seem like good guys and decent posters, even if I disagree with some of the things they say. I don't mind them saying what they think, since it comes out respectful. I just think they could benefit from straight-up ignoring the UK posters that attack them (there's a handy ignore feature I recommend), because that only causes more negative posts and arguments and such.

I guess that's just in anticipation of the big game in January, though. Going to be a tough one in the Phog.

 

[Big_C_KU]

Is Kansas good? Umm, if Cal retained most of his players year a after year, would we be good?

We will be fine against Kansas. Stop being such little P*******s. Ulis will be playing. They're the same scrubs they always were, they're just seniors now.

This is why bill self is about to fall off the OAD wagon. He can't win with them and they know it. Congratulations Kansas. With the returning starters year after year, you'll have one Great season every 4 years.

lol.

God I hope so. When Self wasn't going crazy for OADs he was posting 6 30 win seasons in 7 years with 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, and 2 Sweet 16s. I'm ok with that and most programs would be too. Hope he strays away from going after nothing but OADs (only go after 2-3 OADs a year) and recruits more of the 2nd tier players who he can develop.

 

[Cat Ballou]

I love Alex, but that 2012 class was about the weakest I've ever seen as far as OAD talent. Our two guys that left early, Noel and Goodwin, have had about as much success as any early exists from that class in the NBA. Certainly better than Shabazz Mohammed and Anthony Bennett.

Probably the best - as in most successful in college - players from that class are the guys that have stayed in school - Marcus
Paige, Kris Dunn, etc.

Alex was like No. 13 according to ESPN - which put him just behind Rasheed Sulaimon at 12 and ahead of Sam Dekker at 17. So - calling out Alex from that class as under-performing is extremely uninformed considering he's a year behind thanks to his injury.

Put Alex in this 2016 class, and he probably would have been a Top 40, 4-star guy.

Regardless, I think he'll still be drafted.

 

[ZaytovenCat]

I watched Daniel Giddens own Diallo last year at the MCHF. Diallo looked like a project. The raw talent was clearly there but he had poor ball handling, couldn't score outside of a dunk and had trouble going against somebody of equal or bigger size. His motor is the only thing that makes him a good player.

He's almost exactly like Marcus Lee coming out of high school.

 

[smooth as butter]

Kansas is not as good as UK, UNC, Duke, Mich St. Maybe not even Iowa St.

Lol yea keep thinking that.

 

[Cat Ballou]

Lol yea keep thinking that.

Diallo is a very good player, but I think his NCAA issues have grossly inflated his legend.

Ultimately, think he's behind bigs like Skal, Swanigan, Rabb, as far as his ultimate impact this year on his team.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Lol yea keep thinking that.

Kansas is good for the same reasons Kentucky is good this year - the "elite" teams are not very elite at all.

So yeah, Kansas is one of the better teams in a season without a great team. Both this Kentucky team and Kansas team would get throttled by any of last season's UK, Duke, or Wisconsin teams.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

How has Murray or Briscoe seen their stock drop?

He must have a personal mock draft that he edits/manages weekly. That's the only mock draft that has dropped either of them.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Since when has Murray or Briscoes stock dropped ,considering they are freshmen you dimwit,Poythress stock was high last year until he tore his ACL and the Harrisons are doing just fine after one year at UK,you are the dumbest of the dumbass UL fans that hang out over here so they can see a real program unlike Whore Island.

That's not what I said. I drew a parallel to the post I was responding. Once a kid gets in the game (at the college level), if he doesn't produce to his ranking, he has the potential to be exposed and have his draft stock drop.

 

[Bluest Member]

That's not what I said. I drew a parallel to the post I was responding. Once a kid gets in the game (at the college level), if he doesn't produce to his ranking, he has the potential to be exposed and have his draft stock drop.

Murray and Briscoe have both been playing pretty damn good,Watch where they get drafted at the end of the season and come back and tell us some more BS

 

[Bungalow Bill]

That's not what I said. I drew a parallel to the post I was responding. Once a kid gets in the game (at the college level), if he doesn't produce to his ranking, he has the potential to be exposed and have his draft stock drop.

Conversely if he does produce above his ranking his draft stock goes up and he goes higher which happens at UK much more than your scenario.Your scenario fits UL and KU so from that perspective your logic works.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Anyone who points to the Harrisons stock dropping as some type of proof of Cal's failure clearly only watched their pre-college stock. The Harrisons, while very good players, were not excellent at any one thing. In the league, you have to either be great at something or be a freak athletically. They were neither.

As fans, we owe them our gratitude. They maxed their potential while at Kentucky, and led our program to multiple Final Fours. But from an NBA draft-stock level, those who bring them up as some kind of indictment against either them or Calipari have clearly not been paying attention. When one considers their limitations, it's actually quite amazing that Andrew was drafted or that Aaron managed to squeeze a multi-year, six figure deal. They burnt about as brightly as they could have while at Kentucky. I'm not sure how one could argue the opposite, unless they're being intentionally biased.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

The same can be said for many players who have played at UK and watched their stock drop (Poythress, Harrisons, Murray, Briscoe etc.). It takes some players longer to "get it" than it does others and some just aren't as good as their high school hype. It happens everywhere - see Malik Newman, etc.

Anyway, your post sounds bitter and angry. Why are you so angry? College basketball is supposed to bring fans joy.

Why in the world would i be angry? Being a Kentucky fan during this time of Cal's era, i have nothing to be angry about. It's all smiles from this Kentucky fan. While Cal is here and with the way Cal recruits, we are title contenders every single season Cal is headcoach at Kentucky. I'm not even bashing Self's coaching. If Self would give these kids playing time, i'm pretty sure they too could leave after just one year of college basketball. If you decide not to play a 5star player and instead play a guy that has little talent but has been with you for a long time, it's your own fault when your recruiting starts to take a hit. There is no reason a talent like Diallo shouldn't play 30 minutes a game every game. He is the most talented big man prospect Ku has on the roster. It is insane not to give him all the reps it takes to have him ready before March Madness comes around. Lucas and Ellis are not the type of talent you rely on if you want to advance far in the tourney. Nothing against those kids, but talent wise they are no where near Diallo's potenital.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Why in the world would i be angry? Being a Kentucky fan during this time of Cal's era, i have nothing to be angry about. It's all smiles from this Kentucky fan. While Cal is here and with the way Cal recruits, we are title contenders every single season Cal is headcoach at Kentucky. I'm not even bashing Self's coaching. If Self would give these kids playing time, i'm pretty sure they too could leave after just one year of college basketball. If you decide not to play a 5star player and instead play a guy that has little talent but has been with you for a long time, it's your own fault when your recruiting starts to take a hit. There is no reason a talent like Diallo shouldn't play 30 minutes a game every game. He is the most talented big man prospect Ku has on the roster. It is insane not to give him all the reps it takes to have him ready before March Madness comes around. Lucas and Ellis are not the type of talent you rely on if you want to advance far in the tourney. Nothing against those kids, but talent wise they are no where near Diallo's potenital.

It's his first game and I believe he logged 16 minutes after having to sit with foul trouble in the first half. As a comparison, Skal is averaging 21 minutes a game in more games.

 

[Big_C_KU]

Kansas is good for the same reasons Kentucky is good this year - the "elite" teams are not very elite at all.

So yeah, Kansas is one of the better teams in a season without a great team. Both this Kentucky team and Kansas team would get throttled by any of last season's UK, Duke, or Wisconsin teams.

Agree whole heartedly. There is no elite team this year. Should be a fun tournament with how wide open it will be. I'm sure you guys can go ahead and book a meeting with UCONN on the Final Four now.