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Shut the border. Drill baby drill. Stop the Dim-caused wars & threats, particularly Iran.
My wife cannot stand Trump. But, she left the room last night about half way through saying with a nasally whiny voice, “I don’t think I could listen to that for four years.”
At least they nominated Trump, democrats have been steering their candidate for the last 8 years.
You are correct.
I was counting AZ, NV, WI, MI, and Penn as battleground state's and giving Harris all but Penn.
I'm giving Trump GA and NC although they are most likely for a Harris steal.
I don't think Trump can steal a state from Harris but if it plays out that way Trump wins 270-268.
Good post. He said he didn't prepare at all. His debate word/points were like his rallies.
Maricopa is the problem with Arizona, but I think Trump will win that as well. I've been saying for months, that I believe Trump will end up with around 312 electoral votes, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind about that.
He's the hardest political candidate is history to accurately poll.
Plenty of people will vote for him who won't support him publicly.
Watch the National polling average on RCP - If Kamala doesn't have a 4 point lead (it's currently 1) by election day, I can almost guarantee you that she's toast. I'm not even sure 4 would do it.
WildcatfaninOhio
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She certainly did.
From my perspective I view government as a necessary evil. I want them to run the things as laid out in the constitution, and to do little else. And I want elected officials that at least appear to be humble public servants. I don’t want a king or a czar or an emperor. I always get the feeling that Trump views himself as a king. He wants to be anointed, not elected. He wants to rule with an iron fist, instead of doing his best to honorably conduct the business of the USA. He wants full credit for good outcomes and no blame for bad outcomes. His whole attitude is a turn off for me.
I’ll say again, I’m not a fan of either. But I may hold my nose and vote for her. Or maybe I’ll vote for the Libertarian again. Not sure yet.
Side note - was very disappointed that there was next to no discussion of a topic that needs to be addressed in the worst way. Spending, ever-increasing deficits, and the incredible size of the debt. Something has to be done, and quickly. But no one seems to care.
You asked and he answered. And it’s pretty obvious he meant people are just tired of Trump. He’s been ubiquitous for the last what, 20 years? It’s entirely logical that people would simply get tired of him, especially the schtick he’s been running since 2015.
Mark Robinson is a class A nut. I’ve been spending some time in rural NC as well, and same thing - just audacious Trump signage everywhere, yet Stein looks like he is going to win comfortably.
He’s an entertaining clown if nothing else. Never makes a real point, but he has the other angry white men in that thread lapping it up. Comedy gold.
It’s funny that you think she had the “demeanor.” Again, my wife cringes with Trump (I laugh, she cringes) and hates politics, but she was watching the first part of the debate and said, “she looks awfully smug.” I do not think it was a compliment.
Wildcatfaninohio said,
"I want them to run the things as laid out in the constitution, and to do little else."
"But I may hold my nose and vote for her."
Have you suffered a head trauma recently, or noticed the smell of burning toast?
"I want them to run the things as laid out in the constitution, and to do little else."
"But I may hold my nose and vote for her."
Have you suffered a head trauma recently, or noticed the smell of burning toast?
How do you view trumps view on abortion though? Leaving it up to the states. do you think that is good or bad?
It’s odd that people want to defend democracy and are afraid Trump wants to destroy democracy, but then they cry when he says let the representative governments of the states decide the issue of abortion. Literally putting faith in our constitutional form of government, but Kamala and others cry foul. Weird.
This is the only thing anybody should be thinking about.
I do find it funny that Vance put out the idea of a $5000 child tax credit, the Kamala camp takes the idea and increases it to $6000…and all of the sudden that is some revelatory policy in people’s eyes.
Trump Tanks in Election Betting Odds After Harris Debate
Donald Trump nosedived in several election betting markets after his performance against Kamala Harris in their first presidential debate Tuesday night.The Republican nominee had a 46.8 percent chance of winning in November compared with Harris’ 51.9 percent as of early Wednesday, according to...
There has to be a difference between what the government allows and what you learn in church. There has to be window to end the pregnancy imo, but at some point abortion is stopping a heartbeat and is barbaric. It also is not healthcare, since it violates the Hippocratic Oath and taxpayers certainly should not be paying for the procedure. These are the bigger issues rather than whether the laws are at the federal level or the state level.
What were the betting odds late Oct 2015?
Trump Tanks in Election Betting Odds After Harris Debate
Donald Trump nosedived in several election betting markets after his performance against Kamala Harris in their first presidential debate Tuesday night.The Republican nominee had a 46.8 percent chance of winning in November compared with Harris’ 51.9 percent as of early Wednesday, according to...www.yahoo.com
I think anything the states decide represent what the people want much more than any sweeping federal legislation.
Because we don’t need our society to collapse.
The child tax credit should not be refundable. But if it offsets tax expense for working parents, so be it.
He's already back ahead in Polymarket (the largest site) and closing the gap on electionbettingodds.comTrump Tanks in Election Betting Odds After Harris Debate
Donald Trump nosedived in several election betting markets after his performance against Kamala Harris in their first presidential debate Tuesday night.The Republican nominee had a 46.8 percent chance of winning in November compared with Harris’ 51.9 percent as of early Wednesday, according to...
That's because the overnight reaction polls are not very good, or rather, not good ENOUGH, for Kamala.
Like I said, Watch the RCP National Average. Until and unless Kamala gets it to 3plus (it's 1 now), it's not even a close race.
If abortion isn't Healthcare then why are we the only western country in the world with harsh restrictions?
It's not even a broad religious debate, it's a Christian one. Judaism and Islam allow for abortions within their faith.
I think that the dramatic closing of pre natal centers in places like Idaho and states in the south will eventually cause a change in public opinion about whether there should be some exception for abortion services.
I'd just argue that it needs to be reasonable. 20 weeks was the consensus until it was pushed further and further back in an attempt to outright ban abortion.
Also, as we have seen with recent supreme court cases, the push appears to be to prevent women from seeking care regardless so, even if it's a state issue, the states against it are trying to enforce their opinions on everyone else (as many predicted).
This isn't an issue that should be a state's rights issue in my opinion because it affects everyone equally. As the republican gubernatorial candidate in NC revealed by blasting abortion and women who get them by saying they "can't keep their skirt down" only to reveal that he and his wife had one 20 years ago.
Abortion should not be birth control but pregnancy can't be a potential death sentence either.
It's way too nuanced to properly debate, imo.
Edit : general consensus has recently shown to be about a 60/40 split in favor of abortion. While those averages don't fit perfectly into each state, you can imagine a mostly equal distribution for those for and against it. Saying a broadly republican state like Mississippi is representing its entirely populace by outright banning abortion is equivalent to saying that California passing strict rules about LGBTQ is representative of the whole state. It simply isn't true and is one of the sticking points of our representative democracy.
It's not even a broad religious debate, it's a Christian one. Judaism and Islam allow for abortions within their faith.
I think that the dramatic closing of pre natal centers in places like Idaho and states in the south will eventually cause a change in public opinion about whether there should be some exception for abortion services.
I'd just argue that it needs to be reasonable. 20 weeks was the consensus until it was pushed further and further back in an attempt to outright ban abortion.
Also, as we have seen with recent supreme court cases, the push appears to be to prevent women from seeking care regardless so, even if it's a state issue, the states against it are trying to enforce their opinions on everyone else (as many predicted).
This isn't an issue that should be a state's rights issue in my opinion because it affects everyone equally. As the republican gubernatorial candidate in NC revealed by blasting abortion and women who get them by saying they "can't keep their skirt down" only to reveal that he and his wife had one 20 years ago.
Abortion should not be birth control but pregnancy can't be a potential death sentence either.
It's way too nuanced to properly debate, imo.
Edit : general consensus has recently shown to be about a 60/40 split in favor of abortion. While those averages don't fit perfectly into each state, you can imagine a mostly equal distribution for those for and against it. Saying a broadly republican state like Mississippi is representing its entirely populace by outright banning abortion is equivalent to saying that California passing strict rules about LGBTQ is representative of the whole state. It simply isn't true and is one of the sticking points of our representative democracy.
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I found it odd that when they were discussing abortion and Kamala went on her rant about the govt not telling people what to do with their body and said when it comes to my body it's my choice that Trump didn't come back with "Well you didn't feel that way when it came to the Covid vaccine and your party was in support of workers being fired for not getting vaccinated".
The funny thing is, I'd bet 75 percent of this country doesn't give two sh*ts about abortion, either way. I DO think it should be up to the state's though.
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