Is there any way to get in some kind of underground shelter during a fire of that sort?
Seems to me that a big fire going over the top of your shelter would suck all the oxygen out as it went over.
If it was a forest fire or a house above you on fire one would think that the oxygen would be reduced as it would take a long time to burn up the fuel as its one ingredient outside the fire and fuel is oxygen.
Yep, there are things that can be done. Don't build your house in the middle of Kansas and assume you'll never encounter a tornado. Don't build your house on the beach and expect the ocean to remain on his side of the sand. Don't build your house on the side of a hill and expect there to be no fires or mudslides.
I've seen a California wildfire first hand but the one I saw was not a major fire like these last couple. I saw the planes and helicopters dropping chemicals and water. The helicopters were loading up their buckets in the ocean right out from my house. This was around 1982 and I remember hearing them talk about how efficient they were at putting out fires before they became huge and uncontrollable. Eventually though, nature will win. Always has, always will.
Is there any way to get in some kind of underground shelter during a fire of that sort?
Seems to me that a big fire going over the top of your shelter would suck all the oxygen out as it went over.
If it was a forest fire or a house above you on fire one would think that the oxygen would be reduced as it would take a long time to burn up the fuel as its one ingredient outside the fire and fuel is oxygen.
Yep, there are things that can be done. Don't build your house in the middle of Kansas and assume you'll never encounter a tornado. Don't build your house on the beach and expect the ocean to remain on his side of the sand. Don't build your house on the side of a hill and expect there to be no fires or mudslides.
I've seen a California wildfire first hand but the one I saw was not a major fire like these last couple. I saw the planes and helicopters dropping chemicals and water. The helicopters were loading up their buckets in the ocean right out from my house. This was around 1982 and I remember hearing them talk about how efficient they were at putting out fires before they became huge and uncontrollable. Eventually though, nature will win. Always has, always will.
Lack of oxygen would kill you most likely
A fire of that magnitude sucks up the air around it.
In the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo in WWII many died from that
The best solution I've seen was a 50' tunnel to a root cellar in a cave. I don't believe you can escape. I know you can't run. The best thing is fireproof your home and shelter in place. Fire advancement is created by windblown embers. Fireproof the roof,
vents and windows. Manage fuel sources by simple things, storing firewood and natural gas bottles away from exterior walls. Decks, fences gutters catching embers can be an issue as anything attached to the house is part of the house. Temps can ignite curtains though windows. Commercial grade sprinklers with pumps and generator can be used to keep things wet during fire. Ymmot is correct. These are fire climax communities. Pay attention to the environment before you build. For example, some hard interior chaparral vegetation seed pods
only open after a fire. That tells you all you need to know. You can see fire evolutionary impacts everywhere. The historical forest grassland comprised of root sprouting perennials that burned regularly before cattle grazing. (It's not the cattle they're just dumb herbivores), it's the piss poor management.
Anyway back to the fires. The majestic Ponderosa Pine can survive a 1000 years by dropping its lower branches as it matures and the fire. Frequent grass fires remove woody ground vegetation and the low intensity fires maintain a parklike environment. A summer lightning strike might burn and remove a stringer of trees but the fire drops back to ground burning grass removing sapling competition for scarce water resources.saplings and doesn't blowup into a sterilizing firestorm inferno. This available water supports a healthier environ allows the trees the sap flows necessary to combat insect pests. Another reason to we need remove cattle. Don't get me wrong I love eating beef but less than 3% of beef comes from public lands and they are expensive to manage. You must punch them if you want them to move. Bison, Elk and even the deer will do the same and that's why God invented wolves. Keeps things moving along so to speak, rotating the grazing pressure protecting the grass vegetation and maintaining the open parklike habitat.
In contrast, USDA Forest Service came up with an ingenious idea. Let's turn the forest into a tree farm/cattle operation. We'll log it every 20 years, leave seed trees, remove the wolves and we'll have a happy forest. A hundred years of fire suppression with 50 of legal political paralysis of old growth/wolf management created an ecosystem out of balance. What is needed is an secondary growth wood pulp industry to harvest the wood fiber the trees then utilize low intensity prescribed fire treatments to restore/replicate the natural fires and let the wolves do the rest.
Oh yeah, get these cattle under control, each one eats as much a Bison or 2 elk or 5 deer. These forests are a recreational gold mine. When I see a herds of Bison, elk, horses or deer there are often vehicles of folks snapping pictures, just looking or showing their kids. They don't stop to look at the moo group. Plus Bambi always has a special place in my freezer. OK back to the fires. People don't really have the knowledge to live in paradise. Now I'm going to be politically incorrect and tell the truth. You have greedy entrepreneurs constantly coercing development into places people don't need to be and many folks buy cheaper less expensive housing (cabins) rather than the safer, more expensive homes.
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