Not everyone else is doing it in person by buying tickets directly across from the bench and videotaping. Everyone else is using TV footage and watching during their game...which are both legal.Just watched last night.
Very well done.
If everyone is doing it is it cheating?
CS is one smart dude and wish him well.
Not everyone else is doing it in person by buying tickets directly across from the bench and videotaping. Everyone else is using TV footage and watching during their game...which are both legal.
He definitely is a smart dude and very good at what he does. I don't believe he needed to take the extra step to give them a competitive advantage.
This is why we are so disadvantaged by the AD we have.Not everyone else is doing it in person by buying tickets directly across from the bench and videotaping. Everyone else is using TV footage and watching during their game...which are both legal.
He definitely is a smart dude and very good at what he does. I don't believe he needed to take the extra step to give them a competitive advantage.
Watch the part where he volunteered at the Academy to assist the Football team. They asked him if he knew how to decipher signals. He had never thought about it.This. The whole "everyone does it" was always a garbage strawman out forth by Michigan fans and pr people. Noone did this except them.
Then look at the fruits of the cheating. Harbaugh literally went from renegotiating his contract down to avoid being fired to going on a massive run. Literally nothing else changed.
The part I can’t believe is he just walks in the service academy team and says…. Can I help??? Sure… steal some signals???Watch the part where he volunteered at the Academy to assist the Football team. They asked him if he knew how to decipher signals. He had never thought about it.
If no one else is doing it, why is everyone using three people simultaneously throwing different signals? Why does the Coach cover his mouth? Why are there huge banners behind the signal throwers, blocking view of their motions? Because everyone does it.
Watch the part where he volunteered at the Academy to assist the Football team. They asked him if he knew how to decipher signals. He had never thought about it.
If no one else is doing it, why is everyone using three people simultaneously throwing different signals? Why does the Coach cover his mouth? Why are there huge banners behind the signal throwers, blocking view of their motions? Because everyone does it.
I'm a HS coach. One of our cameras is pointed at the signal callers for every game. We have a guy whose only job is to catalog the plays with the calls. He does that all week. We have video on teams and staffs going back 10 plus years. The Hudl exchange has kind of ruined this a bit. Our JH staff would travel and film our next opponent on Friday night. Three guys. One filmed the plays. One filmed the calls. The other cataloged each play. I'm not sure it was worth the manpower, but we rarely saw something we'd never seen. We could get lined up and shifted much quicker. And I'm telling you, the guy that watches the signals each week could damned near call the play if a team has a 3rd and 2 and they really needed the first down. You could hear him in the headset calling the formation before they lined up. He was really, really good.This is the strawman people bought into. Everyone is doing it in game which is allowed. Noone else was doing it in person. Thats a huge difference. Iirc any film for exchange is prevented from capturing the sidelines to avoid this very thing as well.
There is a very prominent clip out there showing exactly how effective the cheating was. I think its osu going to audible and stalions tells a coach, coach gives hand signals, Michigan stuffs the play.
Noone was doing this. It worked incredibly well as can be seen by his record before and after.
I'm a HS coach. One of our cameras is pointed at the signal callers for every game. We have a guy whose only job is to catalog the plays with the calls. He does that all week. We have video on teams and staffs going back 10 plus years. The Hudl exchange has kind of ruined this a bit. Our JH staff would travel and film our next opponent on Friday night. Three guys. One filmed the plays. One filmed the calls. The other cataloged each play. I'm not sure it was worth the manpower, but we rarely saw something we'd never seen. We could get lined up and shifted much quicker. And I'm telling you, the guy that watches the signals each week could damned near call the play if a team has a 3rd and 2 and they really needed the first down. You could hear him in the headset calling the formation before they lined up. He was really, really good.
You nor I don’t know if anyone else is doing it but my GUESS is plenty of teams are doing it and I’d bet anything their biggest rival was too!Not everyone else is doing it in person by buying tickets directly across from the bench and videotaping. Everyone else is using TV footage and watching during their game...which are both legal.
He definitely is a smart dude and very good at what he does. I don't believe he needed to take the extra step to give them a competitive advantage.
It was noted that thru the freedom of information act they requested tickets bought to away games in any staffers name.That's great but thats highschool. There are very specific ncaa rules against videoing as well as off campus in person scouting.
Again this is very different from random sign stealing and only Michigan was doing it. Their vast improvement in wins/losses show it absolutely worked.
This is the easiest violation ever. Plenty of pics of him all over. Receipts galore. Then the videos of him relaying info on the sidelines. There is zero gray area. Noone else was doing it.
I get why people involved wre fighting it, but fans should admit it and move on.
It was noted that thru the freedom of information act they requested tickets bought to away games in any staffers name.
The reporter said 5 programs had multiple purchases.
He only mentioned two.
Clemson and Utah.
Stallions may have been the innovator , but others were following.
That’s why I listed above it had to be a crazy disadvantage for us.Iirc south Carolina benefitted too so they could beat ut and help Michigan in the bcs rankings.
You make a good point that Michigan wasn't the only one. My point should've been not everyone was doing it. They should all be severely punished because it gave an obvious competitive advantage.
That's why whenever the great migration occurs and the top schools drop the NCAA, in FB at least, they negotiate an agreement that has teeth and severely punishes anyone caught breaking the rules. And when I say severely, I mean death penalty as a more commonly used option for egregious violations.This is why we are so disadvantaged by the AD we have.
I wish all ADs had Barnharts integrity, but they don’t.
I would say we had no one doing this at all. Let alone, being on staff and well funded.
Mitch would never in a million years put someone on staff who’s sole purpose was to steal signs.
So UT is out after the first season. Hell yes!!!That's why whenever the great migration occurs and the top schools drop the NCAA, in FB at least, they negotiate an agreement that has teeth and severely punishes anyone caught breaking the rules. And when I say severely, I mean death penalty as a more commonly used option for egregious violations.
Oh no, I'm not saying it's not against the rules. It most certainly is.That's great but thats highschool. There are very specific ncaa rules against videoing as well as off campus in person scouting.
Again this is very different from random sign stealing and only Michigan was doing it. Their vast improvement in wins/losses show it absolutely worked.
This is the easiest violation ever. Plenty of pics of him all over. Receipts galore. Then the videos of him relaying info on the sidelines. There is zero gray area. Noone else was doing it.
I get why people involved wre fighting it, but fans should admit it and move on.
Oh no, I'm not saying it's not against the rules. It most certainly is.
I'd wholeheartedly disagree that others aren't doing it, at least to some degree. A lot of us live in the grey. I think you're pretty naive to not believe others are doing this. Stalions got brazen and sloppy all at the same time. Plus it's obvious he's a bit of a diva. There are others doing it that don't give an ish if anyone knows who they are. Completely existing in the shadows.
I think maybe you're confusing not doing it with not doing it nearly as well (or to the cheating level) he was doing it. Others were trying, they were just getting beaten at it.More were doing it but not many more. The way you can tell is the impact stalions involvement made. It was an immediate 180° swing. If everyone did it, there would be something measurable but not that level of impact.
Beyond just Michigan look at that sc vs ut game where he reportedly helped sc to help Michigan in the bcs standings. Sc had no business winning that game but instead completely dominated. Then they magically upset Clemson too iirc that also helped Michigan.
So no, it was a handful of schools. I will give stalions this for sure - he was great at what he did. Very few things in this sport can make that level of impact.