Vice TV has revealed Vince Russo said “bro” 353 times during the course of his 4 hour interview session for the miniseries Who killed WCW.
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NXT needs more TNA. Never thought I'd say that.
I'll never grow tired of the post-mortem WCW coverage. Flipping between Raw and Nitro to see Vince on both shows at once was a mindfk. The conversation gets rehashed every decade and I still enjoy it. It doesn't matter if it's Dark Side or Who Killed WCW?, Russo comes off like an absolute dolt in every interview he's done for Vice. Just a complete assclown.
AEW has hit their ceiling imo and we know nothing will change. It's TK's island and he's already said his promotion is for the "sickos." It's for the diehards who aren't into the WWE way. That's perfectly fine but if that's the case, then you're getting weekly randomness, subpar stories, a rotation of Tony's personal favs in that moment, stops and starts, and ultimately, solid wrestling. It's like a new car that has an odor inside that you can't get rid of. No one wants to ride with you but on the outside, you're stylin'. AEW is a nice, very smelly car.
I'll never grow tired of the post-mortem WCW coverage. Flipping between Raw and Nitro to see Vince on both shows at once was a mindfk. The conversation gets rehashed every decade and I still enjoy it. It doesn't matter if it's Dark Side or Who Killed WCW?, Russo comes off like an absolute dolt in every interview he's done for Vice. Just a complete assclown.
AEW has hit their ceiling imo and we know nothing will change. It's TK's island and he's already said his promotion is for the "sickos." It's for the diehards who aren't into the WWE way. That's perfectly fine but if that's the case, then you're getting weekly randomness, subpar stories, a rotation of Tony's personal favs in that moment, stops and starts, and ultimately, solid wrestling. It's like a new car that has an odor inside that you can't get rid of. No one wants to ride with you but on the outside, you're stylin'. AEW is a nice, very smelly car.
There was clearly no ability to foreshadow there, right? Should’ve just went with he’s Goldberg’s son like WCW used to sell The Giant and Andre.
What a shitty branding decision.
This thread dead like Heyman?
I don't remember Fox being this damn bad with censorship in the past but we got multiple mutes and black screens tonight. Just ruins the overall vibe when the crowd is on fire. Fox wouldn't black screen an NFL game if a fan was shown briefly flipping a player off. I welcome Netflix and USA with opened arms.
Anyway, speaking of fire, The Bloodline has moved past Punk and Drew for the best story in the business once again. Heyman's pop was insane and I can't wait until he brings back Roman. I know some may get annoyed with comparisons, but it's shit like this that fans keep trying to tell AEW fans. AEW might be white hot with stories that take fans on a rollercoaster instead of "I'm better than you" and Mina whoever letting you know she's got boobs.
I don't remember Fox being this damn bad with censorship in the past but we got multiple mutes and black screens tonight. Just ruins the overall vibe when the crowd is on fire. Fox wouldn't black screen an NFL game if a fan was shown briefly flipping a player off. I welcome Netflix and USA with opened arms.
Anyway, speaking of fire, The Bloodline has moved past Punk and Drew for the best story in the business once again. Heyman's pop was insane and I can't wait until he brings back Roman. I know some may get annoyed with comparisons, but it's shit like this that fans keep trying to tell AEW fans. AEW might be white hot with stories that take fans on a rollercoaster instead of "I'm better than you" and Mina whoever letting you know she's got boobs.
Yeah heyman is basically making lemonade out of lemons with solo’s group.
He is simply incredible.
Ya tonight was bad I know they try to censor the language but I had so much black screen moments I was wondering if it was a fox network Issue or something else it was that much.
Wonder if when hhh said Netflix will be uncensored it was a backhanded comment about fox and the constant muting.
I think so. Tonight was really bad and I've noticed more fans bringing back asshole chants and fk you whoever chants. That will only grow once it's allowed on Monday nights again. Rock coming back brought a new attitude for fans that almost resembles an old attitude.
FWIW, you can tell when it's Fox's call when the screen goes black but the little LIVE is still in the upper right corner. It's faded but it's there.
Hopefully we get a surprise Roman return, and not one where they tell us in advance that he's scheduled to be there. The pop that would happen if he returned without notice to confront Solo would be next level!
Also, I'm guessing they'll cost Jey the MITB or attack him before the match so that he can't compete.
But if it's Roman's Bloodline vs Solo's, who ends up being the 4th for Roman? Do they bring Sami back? Or are we getting more family members like Zilla?
Also, I'm guessing they'll cost Jey the MITB or attack him before the match so that he can't compete.
But if it's Roman's Bloodline vs Solo's, who ends up being the 4th for Roman? Do they bring Sami back? Or are we getting more family members like Zilla?
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I would say the Rock, but he stepped away as a heel and left the Cody storyline open.
Heck of a Smackdown last night.
Maybe a Bloodline vs Bloodline War Games for Survivor Series?
Funny about Fox censoring everything when back in the day they were the network always under fire for racy programming.
Maybe a Bloodline vs Bloodline War Games for Survivor Series?
Funny about Fox censoring everything when back in the day they were the network always under fire for racy programming.
Seeing how Triple H operates I think Roman’s return would be a big surprise and not announced.
Remember when people didn’t want to believe me that the Kendrick Lamar concert did a number on AEW because a dumbass out of touch with modern culture Boomer in Dave Meltzer said it had nothing to do with it?
Morons.
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Mone told TMZ Sports she's got creative control. File this under "duh." I get the benefits but there's millions of reasons we've lived through that tells us if several talents have creative control, that ain't good, brother. Didn't Cody have control too? And AEW fans turned on him as he put himself in dumb situations with silly promos about defeating racism. That Cody is like a dumb kid compared to the Cody we see now a few years later as the top face (until Roman's return) in the top company.
Billionaire family gonna billionaire and we see this in normal sports all the time. TK can fund this thing until he dies as long as he has some sort of deal in place somewhere. Riho has said AEW paid her something like $400K. She shows up every couple months and ratings usually tank during her segments...but it ain't my money and it's not like Tony is missing it. That and giving several creative control is very Bischoff-lead WCW though. It's why people joke that in 20 years we may see a Who Killed AEW? show. Spoiler: it's Tony backstage with a neck brace and a smile.
Billionaire family gonna billionaire and we see this in normal sports all the time. TK can fund this thing until he dies as long as he has some sort of deal in place somewhere. Riho has said AEW paid her something like $400K. She shows up every couple months and ratings usually tank during her segments...but it ain't my money and it's not like Tony is missing it. That and giving several creative control is very Bischoff-lead WCW though. It's why people joke that in 20 years we may see a Who Killed AEW? show. Spoiler: it's Tony backstage with a neck brace and a smile.
I was thinking the same thing about fox - kinda like Howard stern back 20 or so years ago they were the “edgy” ones and done a complete 180 since.
They’re still under 700k. Congrats?
Roman needs to come back and spear Heyman. Just go full nuclear heat
I give it to heyman there aren’t many 58 year old non wrestlers willing to take a table bump but typical heyman he goes all out and sells the hell out of everything he does.
Well as long as they get money for drawing no fans and booking a terrible show, I guess all is well.
I assume you get a cut of that media rights deal, otherwise I’m not sure why a fan of anything would care about that more than what is actually put on the program
I assume you get a cut of that media rights deal, otherwise I’m not sure why a fan of anything would care about that more than what is actually put on the program
"big ass media rights increase" would mean (close to) a billion dollars and they ain't getting that imo. At the end of the day, the company and its fans blamed a bland tv show rerun, a holiday, a concert, a successful movie, Olympics stuff, and warm weather on an awful rating. And 680K isn't much better. A year ago 680K would've gotten a "What's going on over there?" Now it's a reason to celebrate. I'm not a genius but several months ago I wrote it wouldn't be shocking to see Dynamite sink into the 600,000s on a regular basis by year's end and it's already happened.
There's a reason AEW fans gloated about ratings for a couple years online and now many are hoping AEW moves to Max just so they can avoid the subject altogether now. WWE is killing it with storylines and AEW is struggling badly - but they'll still hang around to beat WWE's developmental show occasionally. Also...don't be surprised if Dynamite gets a third hour in a new deal. If that happens, that last hour might average 400K. Wrestling fans *hate* three hour weekly shows and a lot of WWE fans probably won't do three hours Monday night and then again a couple nights later.
There's a reason AEW fans gloated about ratings for a couple years online and now many are hoping AEW moves to Max just so they can avoid the subject altogether now. WWE is killing it with storylines and AEW is struggling badly - but they'll still hang around to beat WWE's developmental show occasionally. Also...don't be surprised if Dynamite gets a third hour in a new deal. If that happens, that last hour might average 400K. Wrestling fans *hate* three hour weekly shows and a lot of WWE fans probably won't do three hours Monday night and then again a couple nights later.
Happy “Forbidden Door” Day. I believe we are up to 14 matches, 10 on the main show and four on the pre show.
I don't know what AEW is making this year because WBD exercised an option year and I haven't seen the dollar figure posted anywhere, but the prior four years they were making only $43.75 million a year. I also know they got an increase for the addition of Collision. So let's go with a generous increase this year to $80m for the option year.
They are speculated to make at least $120m a year, so if that is true, they are looking at a minimum of a 50% increase. I think it will be more than $120m because of what all is likely to be included in that (next-day rights on Max, simulcasting on Max*, PPVs on Max*, additional non-in-ring content, etc.)
That would be an equal increase percentage wise to what WWE got out of Raw (50%) and more than what they got out of Smackdown (40%). And investors were over the moon with Raw getting a 50% increase.
*domestically and internationally if their international deals allow it or once their international deal expire
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Already a bloated roster, a guy in charge who thinks everyone needs a match on the PPV, plus adding foreign talents who aren't normally with the company because he's opened the FoRbIdDeN dOoR, and it's on a Sunday night with the show probably not ending until past 1am. Do his fans have jobs?
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I was flipping through the channels and came across the opening tag match - these 2 guys walk out and the one guy has 2 belts but nobody mentions who they are or what belts they are - literally every other person in AEW or works with AEW has a belt so basically there’s no luster or value there since everyone does and it’s impossible to get invested with these one off and dream matches b/c only a subset of fans have any interest in this “weeks/months/years of anticipation for what used to be a forbidden door but is just another word for working agreement” which wcw already did with new Japan in the 90s
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Thus why wwe is so hot right now - Cody fought over a year to get his wwe belt
Sami knocked off someone who had the IC belt for an absurd number of days
Bloodline has been going for years and now with all the layers and characters people are familiar with the people involved
People do become invested in characters and long term storytelling does pay off even though some modern fans don’t have the patience for it it’s what’s best for business
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