Not really.
And yet the Forbidden Door PPV is routinely the most successful PPV they have (outside of All In) both in terms of attendance and PPV buys.
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And yet the Forbidden Door PPV is routinely the most successful PPV they have (outside of All In) both in terms of attendance and PPV buys.
Akiyama has been on AEW TV before. He's had an AEW TV match before. Eddie's affinity for Akiyama has been explained on AEW TV in the past, numerous times.
Like I said, It's canon on AEW TV.
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Canon meaning its apart of the storyline but I can't really see how that is the case considering there isn't enough story there for anyone to be compelled to watch Danielson go up against a senior citizen.
So.....Danielson is starting his Kobe tour by facing one of he guys Eddie marked out for as a child?
Aren't you the one who said Cody changing his mind didn't make any sense yet I'm supposed to talk myself into Danielson hating Eddie so much that he's going to fight Akiyama? You know you are allowed to be objective right? And just admit when something is the absolute shits right? No one is going to crucify you for being honest.
Beating and disrespecting Eddie's idol perfectly fits in the storyline of Bryan Danielson having zero respect for Eddie Kingston. It's an incredibly simple concept to understand.So.....Danielson is starting his Kobe tour by facing one of he guys Eddie marked out for as a child?
Aren't you the one who said Cody changing his mind didn't make any sense yet I'm supposed to talk myself into Danielson hating Eddie so much that he's going to fight Akiyama? You know you are allowed to be objective right? And just admit when something is the absolute shits right? No one is going to crucify you for being honest.
Poor pronoun usage on my part. AEW
I was meaning it as it seems as of late AEW is using a lot of close to 50 or above guys on their TV (Suzuki, Edge, Christian, Billy Gunn, Dustin, Matt Hardy, Sting, Jericho, Ishii, Akiyama).And the non-US legends seem a little washed to be introducing them to an American audience.
It’s not necessarily a knock, because some of the guys on that list can still go, but many should probably not be wrestling on national television anymore.
So in 2 months when Danielson is wrestling another random Japanese wrestler are we going to be here questioning why we didn’t get a payoff to the long awaited Akiyama v Danielson feud?
I don't mind old guys as long as they can still contribute at a quality level and don't try to constantly ride the coattails of younger talent to try to get themselves over. Hence why I hate Matt Hardy and Jericho right now. At least Jericho once a blue moon can still have a good match, though not nearly often enough to justify how much TV time he gets. Matt Hardy is a complete waste of a contract. I will celebrate the day when both of those guys are are retired,
Sting - well I'm sure if he kept his singles opportunities very limnited, kept the matches short, and wrestled the right opponents he could have a good singles match. But he seems to have the self-awareness for entertainment and personal health purposes that he should stick to tag matches. And most seem to agree he has had some very entertaining tag matches in AEW.
Christian, Copeland, and Ishii are still plenty capable of consistently having good to great singles matches.
Ishii was outstanding in last year's New Japan G1 Glimax tournament. People who watch New Japan way more than I do praised him quite a bit for his consistently high quality output in that tournament, which can be a pretty grueling tournament to participate in even for young wrestlers.
Christian vs. Copeland at Worlds End was a great match and one of the few saving graces of that PPV. Hell, you can very reasonably argue that was the best match of PPV. Which is both pretty high praise for the match they put on but a pretty sad indictment of just how bad that PPV was because it being arguably the best match of the PPV is not something that should have happened.
The rest you listed I will say still have put on a decent to better performance in the capacity in which they are being used, which for some is limited singles opportunities and largely doing tag matches. Though I admit some of these guys don't have styles that appeal to all.
No, because no one ever said there was a Danielson vs. Akiyama feud coming, it's all part of the Eddie vs. Bryan story as I previously outlined quite clearly. But it's obvious you can't understand this ridiculously simple story without 800 video packages explaining it to you like you're five, so I'm not going to waste any more of my energy discussing this with you.
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So tied for the second highest buyrate of 2023, only surpassed by All In. Thanks for proving my point.
And Wrestlenomics had the 2022 buy rate at 140K.
Even with the lower # than Wrestlenomics posted, it has the second highest average buyrate of the AEW PPVs, only surpassed by All In.
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Your little ass doesn't have to get angry just because I'm discussing this shit with you and trying to understand why you find this appealing. This is the difference between you and me. I can be talked into liking something because I don't have any skin in the game. I like AEW and I like WWE. You are a simple minded thotty who twerks his ass for a specific company like your opinion matters.
So we can continue to have a real conversation or you can throw your little temper tantrum and bitch and moan when you don't like the questions I'm asking.
I ask if we are going to get a payoff for whatever this match is building too and he wants to run his ****ing mouth. Goofy mfs. All over some wrestling. This is why I hate these tribalistic assholes.
The payoff is what I already said, it plays into the story of Bryan Danielson showing zero respect for Eddie Kingston and constantly disrespecting him. He's going to beat the shit out of one of Eddie's heroes (hopefully with Eddie ringside on commentary like he was for the Nagata match) and, I assume, disrespect Jun Akiyama someway in the process.
Something of which Danielson has been doing ever since they faced off against each other in The C2 - refusing to shake his hand, literally spitting in his face, calling him a bum, insulting and disrespecting him as a wrestler and human being in promos, etc.
And the story culminates in an Eddie vs. Bryan match at the Revolution PPV.
A match that Eddie challenged Danielson to on TV and explained during the challenge why he wants to wrestle Bryan.
A match that was announced as official on TV.
A match that has been advertised for the PPV on all of AEW's social media channels.
A match that has been talked about on various wrestling websites and social media channels that aren't affiliated with AEW.
See it isn't that difficult to explain what it is I'm supposed to be looking forward to. With all of this being true I don't have time to watch Rampage & Collision every week knowing that they show a lot of shit on those shows that aren't relative to any storyline going on. If AEW dedicated more time to having certain people on certain shows it would be easier to keep up with. I'm not saying a hard brand split but storylines that play out on one show.
So tied for the second highest buyrate of 2023, only surpassed by All In. Thanks for proving my point.
And Wrestlenomics had the 2022 buy rate at 140K.
Even with the lower # than Wrestlenomics posted, it has the second highest average buyrate of the AEW PPVs, only surpassed by All In.
It's called the CM Punk effect.
remember when we were kids and we debated what would happen if WWF and WCW had a PPV against each other? That was more fun and it actually made sense because we were kids and really thought there was a chance Bret Hart would show up in WCW to challenge Sting or something similar.
Then the NWO did just that and it was freaking awesome.
Can we talk about fun stuff like that instead?
Then the NWO did just that and it was freaking awesome.
Can we talk about fun stuff like that instead?
and then Vince bought WCW and shit all over it and ruined what should have been the greatest angle ever.
Sadly not the last time he'd shit on something...
Sadly not the last time he'd shit on something...
The TNA brand is off to a good start, to say the least, despite all the hype and positive vibes that surrounded it along with a pretty huge spot for the TNA women's champ in the Royal Rumble.
Fired Scott D'Amore, whom the locker room was VERY loyal too.
Anthem, their parent company, wants to cut costs when they operate pretty cheaply to begin with
Now they dipped below 90K viewers for the most recent episode, and they drew such little viewership that their #s weren't even published by the ratings websites for the previous two weeks. Those websites list the top 150 cable shows for each night. As far as I can tell, they've never ranked outside the top 150 before, not even on Thanksgiving. They were fairly regularly getting mid to upper 90s and into the 100K+ range for 2022-23.
Such a shame because they have a rather talented roster and the fans that did watch were generally happy with the direction of the product, now the few fans that were watching are even starting to tune out.
Fired Scott D'Amore, whom the locker room was VERY loyal too.
Anthem, their parent company, wants to cut costs when they operate pretty cheaply to begin with
Now they dipped below 90K viewers for the most recent episode, and they drew such little viewership that their #s weren't even published by the ratings websites for the previous two weeks. Those websites list the top 150 cable shows for each night. As far as I can tell, they've never ranked outside the top 150 before, not even on Thanksgiving. They were fairly regularly getting mid to upper 90s and into the 100K+ range for 2022-23.
Such a shame because they have a rather talented roster and the fans that did watch were generally happy with the direction of the product, now the few fans that were watching are even starting to tune out.
Vince monopolizing wrestling killed my desire to watch wrestling. If not for my manager as a grad assistant convincing a reluctant me to give ROH a try in the late 2000s, I likely would be on a 20 something year streak of not watching a single second of wrestling.
Per Wrestletix (and because I don't want to copy and paste several tweets):
- Tickets distributed for tonight's WWE house show in Fresno is 9,200+. Again, that's a house show. Insane.
- Dynamite this week as of now sits at 2,500+ tickets distributed.
- Collision which will feature one of the most anticipated matches in US and Japanese wrestling history, Danielson vs Akiyama stands at 1,700+.
- Revolution which is pretty stacked and will likely see the Bucks defeat Sting and Darby is nearing, or very likely over 16,000 now. That'll be a sell out thanks to Sting's decades-long career.
- Big Bu$iness which will feature the debut of M$rc$d$s Mon$ is just over 6,000 with plenty of time between now and 3/13. Blood & Guts there last summer did 8,956. 6,000 is great news though.
- Tickets distributed for tonight's WWE house show in Fresno is 9,200+. Again, that's a house show. Insane.
- Dynamite this week as of now sits at 2,500+ tickets distributed.
- Collision which will feature one of the most anticipated matches in US and Japanese wrestling history, Danielson vs Akiyama stands at 1,700+.
- Revolution which is pretty stacked and will likely see the Bucks defeat Sting and Darby is nearing, or very likely over 16,000 now. That'll be a sell out thanks to Sting's decades-long career.
- Big Bu$iness which will feature the debut of M$rc$d$s Mon$ is just over 6,000 with plenty of time between now and 3/13. Blood & Guts there last summer did 8,956. 6,000 is great news though.
The wcw/njpw starrcade was incredible
If all this is true it seems they are putting a lot into a guy who’s done within a year
Maybe if TK put as much time and effort into the young guys and building storylines with Ricky starks/wardlow/etc he wouldn’t be relying on 50 year olds to carry the card
Also having Matt taven main event a dynamite is a disgrace to modern pro wrestling - he’s an roh tag champ and at best a mid card act.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones and The Ultimate X match" - Albert Einstein
He's Bryan Danielson, a legend of the sport who is still amongst the best in the world, he deserves to go out with a bang.
Wardlow is one of the most boring wrestlers on the roster when he has to have something other than a squash match. If he never appeared on another AEW show, nothing would be missed.
That main event was great. Sure as hell beat having Jinder Mahal in a main event match for a title shot he never deserved while also injuring a champ!
You mean push young talent like the below who are all getting some variety of a push?
- Julia Hart, 22
- Top Flight, 22 and 24
- Skye Blue, 24
- Hook, 24
- Daniel Garcia, 25
- Mariah May, 25
- Private Party, 26 and 29
- Kris Statlander, 28
- Konosuke Takeshita, 28
- Toni Storm, 28
- Deonna Purrazzo, 29
- Austin Gunn and Colten Gunn, 29 and 32
- Queen Aminata, age unknown but I assume in her 20s
- Sammy Guevara, 30
- Willow Nightingale, 30
- Jay White, 31
- Red Velvet, 31
- Darby Allin, 31
- Saraya, 31 much to my surprise
- Hangman Page, 32
- Ricky Starks, 33
- Swerve Strickland, 33
- Acclaimed, 33 and 34
- Ruby Soho - 33
- Adam Cole, 34 - not what I consider young, but you included Wardlow who is also 34, so only fair I get to include him
- Nick Jackson, 34 - again, not what I consider young, but you're the one that established 34 as young
- Wardlow, 34
And coming soon is Will Ospreay (30), Mercedes Mone (32), and Megan Bayne (25)
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He's a good hand to have around. Goes out and performs his job well as an enhancement talent when he's frankly more talented than that, and you never hear a single thing about him complaining about not getting what he thinks is enough opportunities. There's plenty of people in that locker room that can stand to follow by his example.
An interesting fact about him is that we was born Jewish and is now a Buddhist.
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Again with a bloated roster you can’t make them all happy - mone and Okada will push most down a peg - funny you mentioned Jay white he was a top dog in njpw and now he’s doing 6 man tags.
All you did was sort the roster by age and paste it here - extraordinary.
You are such an aew mark it’s kind of embarrassing really.
lol, I prove you wrong again and this is the best response you can come up with? You should be better at this by now with all the practice I've given you.
We'd all like to see Danielson go out with a bang as you put it, however I'm not sure going out with a bang equals being put on a show which hasn't reached over 500,000 viewers since Oct. as well as wrestling Japanese randoms who seem to be just a few years younger than my dad.
Wardlow has been booked awful. When he was gaining momentum, MJF briefly walked out, or it was part of a storyline so he could scream that Tony was a fking mark on live tv - regardless, that decision took everything away from Wardlow. That and probably 70 squash matches, same as Jade. Blame the booking, not the man. Lesnar didn't have a personality for twenty years so WWE put him with Heyman and turned him into a multi-time champion and a megastar. It's possible Wardlow is just another Ryback but we'll never know if he's that or a star until he leaves AEW and goes to WWE. I can say with confidence Bron Breakker is going to be a megastar. I'm that confident in his future booking. Tony Khan's booking of both Cargill and Wardlow is/was wrestling malpractice. I wonder if you said in the past that Cody offered nothing and wouldn't be missed if he left AEW too lol. It's. The. Booking.
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And WCW dedicated television time to NJPW to get their wrestlers over before the event.
Wow I've missed a lot over the last couple of days.
Kingston faced Akiyama at Full Gear 2022, maybe AEW should show some video of that leading into Saturday.
Speaking of video, here's a Goldberg video I've never seen, guessing he wasn't too far into his career at this point since it looked like it was on WCW Saturday Night.
Kingston faced Akiyama at Full Gear 2022, maybe AEW should show some video of that leading into Saturday.
Speaking of video, here's a Goldberg video I've never seen, guessing he wasn't too far into his career at this point since it looked like it was on WCW Saturday Night.
I assume he apologized very seriously and profusely, since he is still alive and all.
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