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Cason & Oscar make PRO debuts today
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This happens all the time and they will usually go on posting like we don’t know.. lol
I guess it would make Oscar the first to lie, if he did so.
Manute Bol lied about his age, may have been 50 years old when he played in the NBA: report
For Manute Bol, age was nothing but a number. On his Wikipedia page, it states Bol passed away at the age of 47, but former Cleveland State coach Kevin Mackey said Bol might have actually been play…www.nydailynews.com
Why Shabazz's age matters
The news that Shabazz Muhammad and his family lied about his age makes a big difference with how we view him as an NBA prospect.www.sbnation.com
You are the one making the claims he isn't. Which you also oddly criticized people for basing their claims off things they read when you did the same. Hypocritical much? I haven't claimed what his age is either way because I don't know. So, you provide your evidence since you made the claims he isn't! Particularly since you say you can provide evidence from 5 or 6 sources. I wanna see this! 🤔
Some other guy lied about his age so it must be true. I don’t know how to post articles here but I’ll will walk you thru it slowly. Go to google, type in Oscar’s age, if you find one article that says he’s anything but 23, I’ll PayPal you double your weekly salary. Should be easy money for you.
You’re only right in your own mind.. lol No source, just 💩 coming out your mouth.. 😂
He's 23. They said 27 was a mistake right after they showed that.
No need to bother with him, he’s always right because he’s his own source.. lol It’s always under the table sources that no one can verify.
Cason looked loose and was absolutely unconscious. He's going to be just fine making a transition to the NBA. (Not a huge surprise)
Oscar still has trouble switching on defense and defending the pick and roll. He just doesn't defend well in space. He struggles without his man posted up on him. Jackson is a much better defensive option for the Pacers at this point.
Oscar still has trouble switching on defense and defending the pick and roll. He just doesn't defend well in space. He struggles without his man posted up on him. Jackson is a much better defensive option for the Pacers at this point.
Stated all along he's old--as are almost all of the African guys who are brought over to the States for Basketball. Shared that was what's been said behind the scenes for over a year now (even said he's closer to 30 then 25 in a particular post and his Bday is in Nov). Sticking by who told me that and it's same reason he said all along that Oscar was gone prior to the season. Nobody is bagging on Oscar as a person, but it's a huge reason why he/program expected him gone. Many in UK media were doing the "will he/won't he" thing, friend who shares things inside the program stayed consistent and shared the reason why.
If you/others want to think he's 23, cool with me. By the end of this thread, he may be 15 with way many in today's world think about any issue. Whatever makes you feel good, choose to believe it. That said, it's not going to change what I think or stand by. He did what was smart/right for him and wish him well. Hope Oscar's successful in whatever he does.
His bday is Nov--he'll be 28 within the season. That was point regarding his basketball career/age discussion. It was reason given as to why he and Cal agreed it was time to move on prior to start of '23 season.
I've shared this repeatedly, either by stating age as reason I was saying he was not returning or when asked a specific age I'd heard he was, said 27 yrs old and turning 28 this upcoming year. Never bashed him. Never said he and Cal hated each other. Didn't say he was a bad guy or awful player. Just said he's old. Not sure why this upsetting to fans?
Why would the NBA hide his true age when that means bad news for any organization he goes to. The NBA would have to know to mistakenly put his real age up on the screen, right?
If the NBA doesn’t know, does that mean your source is the only one that knows about it???
If multiple people know about it, why aren’t they one article or verifiable source???
If you find any verifiable evidence, post it and I’ll PayPal you double of whatever your salary is per week. As long as you aren’t a Doctor or Lawyer or something.. lol
Apparently Ralph’s secret source is the only person in the world that knows. There’s literally nothing on this besides on good ole, “I’ve got sources” Rupp Rafters. Gotta love it! 😂
Questions about players actually being older than their officially stated age aren’t unheard of in sports, especially with players coming from impoverished countries who may have less reliable birth records. I’m most familiar with it in baseball where there have been whispers for a long time that Albert Pujols may be a few years older than his official age, and probably most notoriously when promising young pitcher “Fausto Carmona” actually got busted for being the considerably older Roberto Hernandez playing under a fake name.
With that being said, this is the first I’ve heard any such insinuation about Oscar, and there’s absolutely no chatter about it that I can find anywhere else online. It would have to be an unusually well kept secret if there’s any truth to that.
With that being said, this is the first I’ve heard any such insinuation about Oscar, and there’s absolutely no chatter about it that I can find anywhere else online. It would have to be an unusually well kept secret if there’s any truth to that.
Ralph and his source are the only two people who know about it, apparently.
He’s got half the board in a headlock when his “friend” gives him info. Some of these people actually believe these things, the internet seems to be new to some UK fans here. Ralph is great at recruiting news/player development but this other stuff is nonsense.
The only time the NBA would give a crap about a birth certificate is if someone was trying to bypass their rules to enter due to being too young. Why do they care how old someone is? Dikembe Mutombo age stories are legendary as to how old he was in the league. We've discussed for years the Maker family. The age effects CBB programs interest and many African kids aren't skilled/good enough as they just pick up the game-so the handlers or in case of many African players the human traffickers lie about the age, get them to States knowing they'll get a bigger cut from college coaches/agents who want them as prospects.
As for Oscar, his age isn't a factor. He's not someone they have in their plans and he wasn't drafted. So if he can carve out a role, great, he did it the hard way. But he's not someone any franchise is going to build around. Not to mention the NBA knows how the African thing works....which is one of the reasons they have started to target the Continent with their own development system/league and bringing younger guys over. That doesn't mean the low life people who are willing to do whatever to bring kids over doesn't still take place, but it's a start to fixing the issue.
My favorite African age story is of John Reik (or John Reik Suas) who came to States around '08/'09 and ended up at Mississippi State. Go look at his profile on Mississippi State website. Bet they list him at 20-22 yrs old and guy was 30 yrs old when he came over to the States and dominated LeBron Nike Camp.
what sucks about this thread is I used to believe old ralph had sources now I relize he is a complete lunatic . Suuuuurre the NBA is in on it to cover his age up . Good lord how dumb do have to be to believe Oscar is 27 ? LMAO.
I care because you think you can say my source told me and everyone fall at your feet. You don’t have a source other than the brain in your head that tells you to lie to appear to be more important than you are.
Again, just because other people have faked their age, doesn’t automatically make it that Oscar did. Just examples of other people and still zero, I mean zero information about Oscar. If more people know about it, show me videos, articles, or anything at all, of absolutely ANYONE, talking about this??? Doesn’t have to be ESPN, it can be John Doe from China for all I care.
I just want to prove that you have absolutely nothing to back up your claims besides, “my source.”
Not sure why it's so crazy to some of you. Was told he was 27, going to be 28 in November this upcoming year. This isn't like saying Oscar was pitching in the Little League World Series at this age. The guys are brought over to make people $ profiting off their size/upside. Big $ is involved for the handlers/those who bring guys over here for CBB.
If Im Cason Wallace Ill take that kind of career all day long. 16 pts, 4 rebounds, 6.5 assists to 2.7 turnovers a season while shooting(FG/3pt/FT) 46%-36.6%-78%. Holiday also just signed a 4 year 134m extension if he opts for the 4th year. Looking at career earnings of over 300 million dollars.
+Under the terms of this deal, Holiday declines that option but receives base salaries of $30.1 million next season, $32.4 million in 2022-23 and $34.7 million in 2023-24. He also holds a $37 million option for 2024-25.
SeasonTeamLgSalary
2009-10Philadelphia 76ersNBA$1,514,280
2010-11Philadelphia 76ersNBA$1,627,9
202011-12Philadelphia 76ersNBA$1,741,440
2012-13Philadelphia 76ersNBA$2,674,852
2013-14New Orleans PelicansNBA$9,213,484
2014-15New Orleans PelicansNBA$9,904,495
2015-16New Orleans PelicansNBA$10,595,507
2016-17New Orleans PelicansNBA$11,286,518
2017-18New Orleans PelicansNBA$25,686,667
2018-19New Orleans PelicansNBA$25,976,111
2019-20New Orleans PelicansNBA$26,131,111
2020-21Milwaukee BucksNBA$25,876,111
2021-22Milwaukee BucksNBA$30,133,333
Career(may be incomplete)$182,361,829
You don’t need a source to figure Oscar is older than his reported age. It’s simply making an educated guess based on precedence. It is extremely common knowledge amongst scouts, nba teams, colleges and whomever else you talk to in recruiting that African kids are older than they say. this likely applies to Ugo and Somto as well, not to mention the numerous other kids that were brought over from Africa. I didn’t know this until a very reliable scout (someone you all know) told me this personally. If you don’t want to accept that, it’s fine, just go on living your life, but doesn’t change the fact that it’s true. You’re not going to see his actual age anywhere bc that’s not what any paperwork says, but nba teams have done their homework, they’re good at this kind of thing and I have no doubt they have scouts in Africa. So put it all together, why would Oscar leave a ton of NIL on the table? The obv answer is that his playing career is limited and every year that passes the less likely an NBA team takes a chance on him, bc he’s higher in age and maxed out on his potential/ceiling. Would I have done the same if I were him, probably not. Id have taken the NIL money and gone and had a nice career in Europe or China or wherever. So Ralph or anyone isn’t trying to pull one over on you or this board by telling you Oscar is older, what would be the end goal in that? It’s just a piece of information he’s sharing that helps you better understand why Oscar made the decision he did.
On a side note, Ugo being recognized as a potential first round pick, despite his “age” should tell you a lot about how NBA teams view his potential long term development.
I didn’t read but the first couple words and saw you assumed with zero sources, articles or even a discussion from anyone not on Rupp Rafters.
You can’t and won’t find any, ever, because he’s 23.. lol
People amaze me sometimes.
“He’s 27 because I made a guess at it.”
If it’s common knowledge, they have to be some article about it somewhere. If the NBA knows, scouts know, coaches know why is it a secret to everyone else? Make it make sense at least.
Disagreeing or not liking me is cool with me. But to say that I made this up is ridiculous. I don't take credit for my friend's info and the others in here who have fired shots at my post on this topic will say that I don't do that. Give credit to those who have info but can't share who this person is so get the skepticism at people who choose to pick/choose what they want to come at me with. Some posters here send PM's on this site or email me at an email account and we discuss things. That's built some credibility in a lot of the things we discuss in private. If all someone does is make things up, then nobody would pay attention to anything they write/discuss.
Oscar being older and exact age was told to me and I shared it. Isn't it odd that was the age they put up "incorrectly" too. Could've went a lot of ways but it was exactly as I was told, which was point of initial response.
You want to believe that lies/helping players doesn't take place or that African players specifically aren't treated like human trafficking commodities. You are free to do what you like, but that's where I'm surprised so many of you seem very naive regarding recruiting/what's been going on with players over there/age deception, etc.. and thinking because Oscar was a great Wildcat he couldn't be older than listed. So it's not shocking that he measured above 6'7 at Combine but UK listed him at 6'9? So lying about height or performance in physical testing is fine, but he couldn't possibly be 4 yrs older than listed? Guess I don't see this big need to question my friend when I find that more than believable considering he's from Africa and how business is conducted. If he's incorrect, and this is wrong, then I apologize but when you are told someone is 27 and going to be 28 and then see it on TV and it's in a thread..well it sure seemed like he was spot on and something this trivial didn't seem like it was a big deal. Just was validating a person I trust and will continue to do so.
Thank you. Also the irony was that age listed was the same thing I was told and shared a month and half ago when asked. It wasn't that he was older, it was that I was told he was 27 going to be 28 and it was on the screen he was 27. But get how some read that and took that. Should've just put the laughing emojji instead but wanted to shout out friend.
You either made it up or your source is full of it. It’s not true and there’s only a handful of people that believe you here.
To be honest, I thought you had some useful info every now and then but I’ve never saw you have info that wasn’t all over the internet.
With that said, after this discussion, absolutely no one should believe you or your source. This is embarrassing for you.
I can tell you didn’t read bc I never claimed Oscar was 27 or claimed to know his actual age. I am simply telling you, that it’s common for African kids to fudge ages, a reliable scout has told me this some years ago, same person confirmed Oscar is older than than listed and ditto about Ugo. So I believe it’s more likely than not, true. If you want to know who just ask. If you don’t want to believe it I couldn’t give two shits. But when people provide you a “peek behind the curtain” based on collated info, just tifwiw.
The world of recruiting is a lot more murky than it appears. Like everything else in the world, it’s motivated by $$$ and full of shady relationships. All schools including your favorite school play this game. Some better than others. (Ex: why was Tre Mitchell a lock to UK as soon as he entered the portal?). And Every article you read about recruiting is usually the watered down PG version digestable for the masses. I too, took things at face value until I talked to certain people and learned a lot about how things actually work at the grassroots level and it opened my eyes and changed my view.
So I know you won’t believe this and that’s fine. But on any piece of info, I play a game, “who benefits from this?” It’s a good thought experiment. So who benefits from Ralph or me telling you what we heard about Oscar’s age. He surely doesn’t. No one does. But who benefits from Oscar lying about his age? Oscar. Oscar’s host family. Oscar’s agent potentially.
He says he’s 23, the NCAA says he’s 23. The NBA says he’s 23. Every single news, sports platform says he’s 23. That’s my proof. Where’s yours?
Absolutely no one but a few Rupp Rafter posters have even heard this before. Please show me someone outside of RR that’s even discussed this before? Just one other person.
Still didn’t read it and you still are wrong until you prove otherwise. I’ll be here waiting….
I understand the point you were trying to make. But unless you’ve memorized Oscar’s birthday and calculated the exact birthday math behind it, most people conclude that 27 is closer to 25 than it is to 30. I was just making a light hearted jab at you. Nothing more, nothing less. But since you explained your position I’ll do the same.
It upsets people because you are accusing Oscar and UK of lying about his age. And you are doing so without proof. A lot of fans think very highly of Oscar, and rightfully so. So when you accuse a beloved player of lying, and you don’t have any evidence, it’s going to rub people the wrong way. I understand you do the same thing with recruiting but it’s different when you’re bringing folks good news without proof. Perhaps it shouldn’t be if we’re being as fair as possible, but due to human nature that’s just not going to happen.
I like your recruiting scoops and generally agree with you on most things so I hope nothing I said rubbed you the wrong way.
That's a fair and well written explanation.
My response is that if you have someone who has given a lot of great info (good or bad for UK) why would you doubt them about something regarding this? It has nothing to do with bashing Oscar or making him less of a good person. It was originally brought up to explain why he's leaving and one of the reasons he's not seen as a big commodity in the NBA.
Thing about recruiting, is I get same BS responses when it's not something people want to hear. Dealt with it when I called out Joel Justus, dealt with it when I said RJ Barrett was not coming while he was still on the OV and I wasn't credible, etc.....dealt with it severely when I brought up Skyy Clark (still waiting for the internet to cover in detail what I was sharing-hell most UK media were calling that guy Sky'rie as in Kyrie Irving) and when that came out as it was repeatedly shared here, didn't get on people for how personal they made attacks/comments, just said I shared because it was told and it's info. If anything, you should like that there's someone who gets some info that is interesting and not premium and seen more than a few on this site who have done/do that.
I don't get paid to do this nor do I charge anyone. So if the worst thing that happens is some people get pissed because it ruins a dream of someone being the All American Guy because he's a bit older than reported, so be it. Same people comment in numerous threads how Cal is full of **** and a liar but then want to jump in front of traffic and act like the program is holier than thou regarding this? Hell I've been called a homer because I don't bash Cal for any/everything regarding UK basketball and I've been called a hater for pointing out issues too. Oscar is a great person, was a great player for Kentucky, and will continue to be a great ambassador for the program/his family. Wish him the best, but guess I don't care nor am I shocked to hear he's older and biggest mistake was not understanding how many would/do.
Honestly, I don't GAF if he's 102 . You just seem so sure of yourself I was asking why
I’m so sure because there’s literally zero evidence and zero people ever discussed this besides Rupp Rafters and their sources. 😂😂😂
I understand why you feel that way but I really think it’s just human nature to be more accepting of good news and more critical of bad news. I could see Cal lying about Oscar’s age. He jumps through all sorts of hoops to get his guys drafted to maintain his reputation as the fastest route to the nba. What I find harder to believe is that the university would lie about it. But maybe Cal lied to them too, or maybe Oscar and his circle lied to Cal and everyone but Oscar and his circle are innocent.
But the NBA? They have absolutely zero reason to lie about his age and every incentive to discover the truth if they have doubts. And like others I can’t find anyone, anywhere else besides you on this message board calling his age into question. And I’ll be honest with you, if you heard this about Shaedon Sharpe and told us I doubt anyone would question it at all. But since it’s a player like Oscar people will want to have some sort of proof. Again, I don’t have a better explanation for that unfairness other than human nature.
And I know you aren’t directly accusing Oscar of lying. But if you what you say is true then that’s exactly what that means. Because he’s the one telling UK, NBA, Cal, etc his age. So if they’re all getting it wrong they’re either in on it or he duped them too.
Honestly, if I were you, and the bad news I had couldn’t be proven or wouldn’t break in mainstream news anytime soon, I just would keep it to myself. Recruiting bad news is different because we find out the truth within weeks to months but something like this will probably take years since I can’t find where anyone is even investigating it. And I want to make it clear I’m not trying to tell you what to do or how to post. But knowing how I feel about it and seeing how others are reacting I wouldn’t want to put up with that even if I had the dude’s birth certificate right in front of me (and I wasn’t willing to share it).
Again, you are free to believe whatever you like. I'm not changing my stance based on what I was told and more importantly who told me this. Obviously you feel the same and believe everything that program shares. You do realize Oscar was listed at 6'9 at Kentucky and measured under 6'8 at Combine? Did Oscar correct that fallacy? No. He shouldn't either. They are trying to help him and he plays with shoes on--and possibly some lifts (we do shrink as we age)-but whatever works to help him I'm for. (that's strictly a joke about the lifts and shrinking too so don't go off the deep end, LOL)
This is a message board, you share some things that everyone knows and some things when you get info. The thing is I don't share things when I have no idea or haven't gotten any info. That can make some posters angry. Why? I'm not charging anyone or pretending to be an insider. When I've shared positive info, people get excited and when it's negative, they are often upset. Life as we know it. This particular issue is about a guy being 4 yrs older than reported. It's not good or bad. It's just what was shared. Doesn't make him a bad guy or less of a player. He'd be far from the only player doing this which has been explained ad nauseum.
It's not embarrassing at all. It's disagreement. People who are so uncomfortable with different takes or information that they demand to have you conform are the embarrassment. I've been called worse on several things that I've shared which turned out true on this forum. Another poster came in and while he never co-signed what my friend stated specifically age wise--shared that I'm not making up anything regarding Oscar being older than reported and he's correct about Ugo as well.
Only thing we're going to continue to do is disagree, so no need to discuss further. You can block me/do whatever you choose, that's cool, not going to stop from sharing info when I get it and from who I get that from.
I’ll being honest, don’t waste your time typing a book like that to me, I will only read the first 3-4 lines. Every single player in the history of basketball has a taller listed height than they really are.
What if I told you that Victor Wembanyama is really 7’3 and not 7’5 like he was claimed to be. It happens all the time. Follow basketball much?
