Cason & Oscar make PRO debuts today

[ralphdaltonfan]

I understand why you feel that way but I really think it’s just human nature to be more accepting of good news and more critical of bad news. I could see Cal lying about Oscar’s age. He jumps through all sorts of hoops to get his guys drafted to maintain his reputation as the fastest route to the nba. What I find harder to believe is that the university would lie about it. But maybe Cal lied to them too, or maybe Oscar and his circle lied to Cal and everyone but Oscar and his circle are innocent.

But the NBA? They have absolutely zero reason to lie about his age and every incentive to discover the truth if they have doubts. And like others I can’t find anyone, anywhere else besides you on this message board calling his age into question. And I’ll be honest with you, if you heard this about Shaedon Sharpe and told us I doubt anyone would question it at all. But since it’s a player like Oscar people will want to have some sort of proof. Again, I don’t have a better explanation for that unfairness other than human nature.

And I know you aren’t directly accusing Oscar of lying. But if you what you say is true then that’s exactly what that means. Because he’s the one telling UK, NBA, Cal, etc his age. So if they’re all getting it wrong they’re either in on it or he duped them too.

Honestly, if I were you, and the bad news I had couldn’t be proven or wouldn’t break in mainstream news anytime soon, I just would keep it to myself. Recruiting bad news is different because we find out the truth within weeks to months but something like this will probably take years since I can’t find where anyone is even investigating it. And I want to make it clear I’m not trying to tell you what to do or how to post. But knowing how I feel about it and seeing how others are reacting I wouldn’t want to put up with that even if I had the dude’s birth certificate right in front of me (and I wasn’t willing to share it).

If someone is going to make a living off human trafficking possible athletes and know that CBB programs/coaches/agents are the industry who will be relied upon for income, are they going to exhaust all avenues to make sure they get more $ or less? Is it helpful to make the player younger or older for them? If you are trying to stash them at a HS/Prep School to make sure the transaction stays strong you do what needs to be done.

There's your reasoning. Look up Tiadane Drame. Look up Our Savior Lutheran HS. You'll learn a lot about this topic. Drame is one of the 2 handlers who was involved with Cheick Diallo and N'Faly Dante and things didn't go so well for Kentucky while the other handler wanted Kentucky. Which guy won out? The one who helped bring them to the States.

In many cases Deportation is threatened to these guys. Threats to their families back in Africa are used. If you are facing that, do you really give 2 **** how old someone says you are?

Got it. And we'll leave it at that. Your last paragraph hits home and that's what I'll do. Keep it for the PM's and EMails and stay off the boards with it.

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

I’ll being honest, don’t waste your time typing a book like that to me, I will only read the first 3-4 lines. Every single player in the history of basketball has a taller listed height than they really are.

What if I told you that Victor Wembanyama is really 7’3 and not 7’5 like he was claimed to be. It happens all the time. Follow basketball much?

Yes I do and believe you. But you have a hard time figuring out that players from African countries are also older than listed. LOL

 

[UKAlum88]

Yes I do and believe you. But you have a hard time figuring out that players from African countries are also older than listed. LOL

How many instances has it happened with actual evidence. Not a lot.

By wording it the way you did, it insinuates that all African players lie about their age. Which is also not true. It’s not fair to lump all of them into it when only a few have lied.

If you look at Oscar’s freshman pics to now, you can see how his body has progressed like a normal 18-19 year old to a 23-24 year old.

The only person you could tell me was older than listed without evidence and make me believe it is Greg Oden. Guy was a 45 year old freshman.

 

[UK90]

I can provide his birthday with 5-6 sources. Please share one article that says he’s 27. Not a typo on a tv screen, an actual source??? I’ll wait and you’ll continue to make a moron out of yourself.. lol

But those 5-6 sources are all just basing their listing on what Oscar represented when he came here.

There has always been a longstanding issue ...in both soccer and basketball ...with African prospects underlisting their age to make themselves more marketable as players. Birth certificate records tend to be a fluid and easily modifiable thing in many of those countries. And, frankly, Oscar has always looked conspicuously old for a college kid ...even when he first showed up at WVU as a freshman.

I'm not saying his listed age is wrong ...because I don't know ...but I wouldn't be shocked if it was.

 

[DaProdigy23]

How many instances has it happened with actual evidence. Not a lot.

By wording it the way you did, it insinuates that all African players lie about their age. Which is also not true. It’s not fair to lump all of them into it when only a few have lied.

If you look at Oscar’s freshman pics to now, you can see how his body has progressed like a normal 18-19 year old to a 23-24 year old.

The only person you could tell me was older than listed without evidence and make me believe it is Greg Oden. Guy was a 45 year old freshman.

Going to tell you again, from my end, I never claimed it to be a fact, but for the board's knowledge, i've now privately shared with you what i've heard and how I heard this and sent you many examples of age fraud across sports from players in Africa. I would be happy to share those with the board as well.
I don't know for a fact oscar's age is manipulated, and I don't know his actual age, I am just simply corroborating something i've heard and postulating that it could be true based on said kid's actions and the specific groups who discussed it with me. But ultimately his age doesn't matter to me either way. My main point is not about oscar, but that age fraud does INDEED happen with great frequency in college basketball, especially with kids arriving from other countries. Hell age fraud happened with Shabazz Muhammed. It's a commonplace in baseball, soccer, as well.
I want to reiterate what @ralphdaltonfan said, it is not a fault and no one is blaming oscar or insulting his character, this is not the goal here. he's a great kid who continues to represent the university with class. But CBB is a business, and there is an opportunity/incentive for leeches and handlers to lie about a kid's age. No one is calling Oscar a liar, blaming him, or thinking he is bad in any way. He's been exploited every single step of the way and is continuing to get exploited by individuals but still able to be a positive person which is nothing short of amazing and I am in awe of him. This is simply a commentary on the exploitation of athletes who are brought to the states from africa and other countries.

 

[UKAlum88]

Going to tell you again, from my end, I never claimed it to be a fact, but for the board's knowledge, i've now privately shared with you what i've heard and how I heard this and sent you many examples of age fraud across sports from players in Africa. I would be happy to share those with the board as well.
I don't know for a fact oscar's age is manipulated, and I don't know his actual age, I am just simply corroborating something i've heard and postulating that it could be true based on said kid's actions and the specific groups who discussed it with me. But ultimately his age doesn't matter to me either way. My main point is not about oscar, but that age fraud does INDEED happen with great frequency in college basketball, especially with kids arriving from other countries. Hell age fraud happened with Shabazz Muhammed. It's a commonplace in baseball, soccer, as well.
I want to reiterate what @ralphdaltonfan said, it is not a fault and no one is blaming oscar or insulting his character, this is not the goal here. he's a great kid who continues to represent the university with class. But CBB is a business, and there is an opportunity/incentive for leeches and handlers to lie about a kid's age. No one is calling Oscar a liar, blaming him, or thinking he is bad in any way. He's been exploited every single step of the way and is continuing to get exploited by individuals but still able to be a positive person which is nothing short of amazing and I am in awe of him. This is simply a commentary on the exploitation of athletes who are brought to the states from africa and other countries.

I’ve never doubted it happens, as I’ve said many times over. Just because white people commit crimes, that doesn’t mean I do. That’s basically what you are saying about Oscar being African.

I’m doubting Oscar lied and since there’s zero evidence, I will continue to believe he’s 23 without questioning it. If evidence arises, I’m not opposed to admitting I was wrong. I will flat out apologize to you and Ralph and admit to being wrong.

 

[pauled]

Don't blame Wheeler quitting on Wheeler. Wheeler quitting was on Cal.

Right!!😂

 

[mebeblue2]

Disagreeing or not liking me is cool with me. But to say that I made this up is ridiculous. I don't take credit for my friend's info and the others in here who have fired shots at my post on this topic will say that I don't do that. Give credit to those who have info but can't share who this person is so get the skepticism at people who choose to pick/choose what they want to come at me with. Some posters here send PM's on this site or email me at an email account and we discuss things. That's built some credibility in a lot of the things we discuss in private. If all someone does is make things up, then nobody would pay attention to anything they write/discuss.

Oscar being older and exact age was told to me and I shared it. Isn't it odd that was the age they put up "incorrectly" too. Could've went a lot of ways but it was exactly as I was told, which was point of initial response.

You want to believe that lies/helping players doesn't take place or that African players specifically aren't treated like human trafficking commodities. You are free to do what you like, but that's where I'm surprised so many of you seem very naive regarding recruiting/what's been going on with players over there/age deception, etc.. and thinking because Oscar was a great Wildcat he couldn't be older than listed. So it's not shocking that he measured above 6'7 at Combine but UK listed him at 6'9? So lying about height or performance in physical testing is fine, but he couldn't possibly be 4 yrs older than listed? Guess I don't see this big need to question my friend when I find that more than believable considering he's from Africa and how business is conducted. If he's incorrect, and this is wrong, then I apologize but when you are told someone is 27 and going to be 28 and then see it on TV and it's in a thread..well it sure seemed like he was spot on and something this trivial didn't seem like it was a big deal. Just was validating a person I trust and will continue to do so.

we had a player that Cal recruited that was born and raised in the states and i believe it was his parents that lied about his age

i am sure some on here remember who that was

 

[DaProdigy23]

we had a player that Cal recruited that was born and raised in the states and i believe it was his parents that lied about his age

i am sure some on here remember who that was

Shabazz Muhammad

 

[RobEStacy]