Candid coaches: Who will be better in 5 years? Duke or UNC?

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Candid Coaches: Who will be better five years from now -- Duke after Coach K or UNC after Roy Williams?

The Blue Devils' Jon Scheyer and the Tar Heels' Hubert Davis represent a huge changing of the guard on Tobacco Road

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[Orville Boggs]

They both will be gone in 2-3 year's tops!

 

[Patriot202]

Duke will be crap and UNC will be something like a Tennessee

 

[track42]

Duke has Nike so they will remain good.

 

[502 Wildcat]

Duke because even though coaching takes a colossal drop off, Scheyer will still keep the talent level high.

Not sold on Hubert Davis as a coach or a recruiter.

 

[Duke Blu]

“The succession plan in Durham, where Jon Scheyer will assume Mike Krzyzewski’s throne as the program’s head coach in the spring, doesn’t seem to deter Mark Mitchell one bit. No, judging from his recent comments to Dan McDonald of Rivals, the 6-foot-8, 205-pound elite athlete still sees the Blue Devils as the definition of college basketball royalty:

“I think the transition there has been pretty smooth. They were really transparent with me from the beginning. My relationship with [Jon Scheyer] is great. We talk all the time. And Duke basketball is just different. It’s almost like the mecca of college basketball.”

 

[Duke Blu]

“It didn't take too long for AJ Griffin to commit to Duke after receiving a scholarship offer. In June between his sophomore and junior years, Griffin became the second player in the class to be offered by the Blue Devils' coaching staff, and five short months later Griffin announced his commitment. Talking to the media yesterday, the 6'6", 222 pound freshman explained that joining the Duke program has always been a dream for him.

“Ever since I was a little kid, it was one of those things I saw and then I instantly knew I wanted to go there. That was my goal ever since I started playing basketball. I knew I wanted to go to Duke and be at the best college in my opinion.”

That echoes comments Griffin made to TheDevilsDen.com's Steve Clark shortly after announcing his decision to commit to Duke.

TheDevilsDen!

"I grew up watching them and my best friend and I always loved them. We’d use to always write on my white board that I had that we’re playing for Duke when we would play. We always knew that Duke was the school that we wanted to go to. I remember watching them play growing up and we would go crazy watching them play like they did at that level. I think you could say that with watching them, to see so many players that they have had that are playing at the level that they are now that’s so high. That was a big reason."

 

[502 Wildcat]

“The succession plan in Durham, where Jon Scheyer will assume Mike Krzyzewski’s throne as the program’s head coach in the spring, doesn’t seem to deter Mark Mitchell one bit. No, judging from his recent comments to Dan McDonald of Rivals, the 6-foot-8, 205-pound elite athlete still sees the Blue Devils as the definition of college basketball royalty:

“I think the transition there has been pretty smooth. They were really transparent with me from the beginning. My relationship with [Jon Scheyer] is great. We talk all the time. And Duke basketball is just different. It’s almost like the mecca of college basketball.”

You have one era of success and one coach that has won rings, you may wanna chill on the Mecca talk.

 

[Ky grandpa]

You have one era of success and one coach that has won rings, you may wanna chill on the Mecca talk.

Mecca to kids is about like going out with a girl and falling in love only to lose her to another guy, then get another one and think it's the mecca of love.. lol


GBB

 

[Montana81]

I hate sports media. ESPN has tried sooooo hard to push duke as the face of the sport for so long now. That’s why these kids think what they think about duke.

Dukes success is so much more about all the advantages they’ve been given over every other college basketball program than their ability to actually field a good team. it’s one of the biggest scams in sports.

I feel like the ncaa, sports media, and even a lot of other college basketball programs gave up on the sport being about a having legit competition a long time ago and decided they’d make more money if it was some kind of basketball version of the WWE.

 

[OmahaCats]

They both will be gone in 2-3 year's tops!

I think Scheyer will actually do really well

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

UNC has 3 different coaches with NCAA Championships. 4 different coaches with Final Four appearances. A 5th coach had an undefeated season back before the NCAA existed.

Duke is basically just Coach K. Prior to Coach K, they weren't even UNC's primary rival (NC State was.) Duke's history prior to Coach K is pretty mediocre.



So UNC is like UK in that both have proven capable of consistently finding coaches that can compete for titles. The program is bigger than any one coach. Duke is like UConn or UCLA, in that one single coach is responsible for like 99% of the success of those programs.

I have no idea if Davis or Scheyer will be successful. But history would suggest that UNC has proven they will find a way to continue being a Blue Blood. Duke may simply go back to being what they were before Coach K.

 

[bigdaddy741]

Neither will come close to the coach they are following.

Virtually impossible.

It'll be the same when Cal leaves.

I'd say Scheyer will be better than Davis.

I'd love to see both of them fail miserably but that's not likely.

 

[Montana81]

UNC has 3 different coaches with NCAA Championships. 4 different coaches with Final Four appearances. A 5th coach had an undefeated season back before the NCAA existed.

Duke is basically just Coach K. Prior to Coach K, they weren't even UNC's primary rival (NC State was.) Duke's history prior to Coach K is pretty mediocre.





So UNC is like UK in that both have proven capable of consistently finding coaches that can compete for titles. The program is bigger than any one coach. Duke is like UConn or UCLA, in that one single coach is responsible for like 99% of the success of those programs.

I have no idea if Davis or Scheyer will be successful. But history would suggest that UNC has proven they will find a way to continue being a Blue Blood. Duke may simply go back to being what they were before Coach K.

The thing is, again, the media, nike, ncaa will ensure duke continues being successful. they all have too much invested in that program to let it fail for too long. Look at how scheyer is recruiting already. without ever having coached a game. It’s not just because these kids like him. When they asked lively why he picked duke he was borderline laughing as he answered because he knew his answer was complete bullshit.

UNC will stay formidable too. Their alumni and boosters will insure it. We’ve seen what lengths they’ll go to in order to keep unc at or near the top. No one is more willing to do whatever it takes to win than UNC basketball.

 

[Fox2monk]

Duke has Nike so they will remain good.

UNC has Jordan so I doubt they will be hurting on that front.

 

[Fox2monk]

UNC has 3 different coaches with NCAA Championships. 4 different coaches with Final Four appearances. A 5th coach had an undefeated season back before the NCAA existed.

Duke is basically just Coach K. Prior to Coach K, they weren't even UNC's primary rival (NC State was.) Duke's history prior to Coach K is pretty mediocre.



So UNC is like UK in that both have proven capable of consistently finding coaches that can compete for titles. The program is bigger than any one coach. Duke is like UConn or UCLA, in that one single coach is responsible for like 99% of the success of those programs.

I have no idea if Davis or Scheyer will be successful. But history would suggest that UNC has proven they will find a way to continue being a Blue Blood. Duke may simply go back to being what they were before Coach K.

I’d agree that in more modern times yes UNC has been able to find coaches to replace that were successful but most of the history is two coaches. Roy won more than Dean tho which is crazy.

 

[bthaunert]

UNC has 3 different coaches with NCAA Championships. 4 different coaches with Final Four appearances. A 5th coach had an undefeated season back before the NCAA existed.

Duke is basically just Coach K. Prior to Coach K, they weren't even UNC's primary rival (NC State was.) Duke's history prior to Coach K is pretty mediocre.



So UNC is like UK in that both have proven capable of consistently finding coaches that can compete for titles. The program is bigger than any one coach. Duke is like UConn or UCLA, in that one single coach is responsible for like 99% of the success of those programs.

I have no idea if Davis or Scheyer will be successful. But history would suggest that UNC has proven they will find a way to continue being a Blue Blood. Duke may simply go back to being what they were before Coach K.

Duke wasn’t chopped liver prior to K. I’m the 20 years prior, they went to 4 Final Fours, including 2 runner-ups. Not K territory, but pretty good.

I think Hubert is going to fail big time. He has Matt Doherty written all over him. I think Scheyer will do pretty well.

 

[the stat man]

You have one era of success and one coach that has won rings, you may wanna chill on the Mecca talk.

LOL yea lest see what happens going forward with out the Rat Faced Bastard on the bench cussing the officials with every breath

 

[the stat man]

The thing is, again, the media, nike, ncaa will ensure duke continues being successful. they all have too much invested in that program to let it fail for too long. Look at how scheyer is recruiting already. without ever having coached a game. It’s not just because these kids like him. When they asked lively why he picked duke he was borderline laughing as he answered because he knew his answer was complete bullshit.

UNC will stay formidable too. Their alumni and boosters will insure it. We’ve seen what lengths they’ll go to in order to keep unc at or near the top. No one is more willing to do whatever it takes to win than UNC basketball.

Yea and now they can pay them legally , instead of just providing booster owned home at a fraction of the cost

 

[Blueheart32]

I think Scheyer will actually do really well

I agree. I think people who seem so sure that he will fall flat on his face are just making the comments out of hatred. I believe he will do very well. Not sure about Davis at unc. I don't know enough about him to even speculate

 

[bucsrule8872]

I feel like Davis will fail miserably and they will move on to another coach.

Scheyer will do better and will remain as the HC longer.

Both will be a drop off, obviously. I think Scheyer will be more successful, but in the long run, UNC will bounce back better. Too much tradition.

Both will be fine, IMHO. I just don’t expect multiple titles from either Scheyer or Davis. Scheyer has the better chance of getting a title, IMHO.

I just don’t have much faith in Davis.

 

[Ed323232]

“The succession plan in Durham, where Jon Scheyer will assume Mike Krzyzewski’s throne as the program’s head coach in the spring, doesn’t seem to deter Mark Mitchell one bit. No, judging from his recent comments to Dan McDonald of Rivals, the 6-foot-8, 205-pound elite athlete still sees the Blue Devils as the definition of college basketball royalty:

“I think the transition there has been pretty smooth. They were really transparent with me from the beginning. My relationship with [Jon Scheyer] is great. We talk all the time. And Duke basketball is just different. It’s almost like the mecca of college basketball.”

He still has to coach. Get back with us in 2 years. You are going to be Indiana in 5 years

 

[podgejeff_]

UNC has Jordan so I doubt they will be hurting on that front.

Jordan, for these kids, is moving into history. Yeah they know who he is, but he was out of the NBA before these kids were even born. They didn't grow up watching him play. They grew up watching Kobie and Lebron. AD is more relevant to them.

It's like saying "Kansas has Wilt". These kids don't care.

 

[Fox2monk]

Jordan, for these kids, is moving into history. Yeah they know who he is, but he was out of the NBA before these kids were even born. They didn't grow up watching him play. They grew up watching Kobie and Lebron. AD is more relevant to them.

It's like saying "Kansas has Wilt". These kids don't care.

His shoes are enough to keep kids interested in Jordan though. Nobody lines up to buy Wilts.

 

[RondoBaller21]

Duke is still beating Cal for a few recruits, so I’d give them the nod.

 

[CatTough]

Who ever is the best cheater!

 

[jr40831]

UNC, unless Duke is successful at hiring Calipari

 

[Mike-D]

Duke.

 

[UKCats2000]

Wake Forest

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

Duke wasn’t chopped liver prior to K. I’m the 20 years prior, they went to 4 Final Fours, including 2 runner-ups. Not K territory, but pretty good.

I think Hubert is going to fail big time. He has Matt Doherty written all over him. I think Scheyer will do pretty well.

Hubert Davis and Matt Doherty couldn't be more different. If you have seen or heard Matt Doherty at any point in the last 20 years, you'd realize just how weak your comparison is. Doherty is a horrible human being. The reason he failed as a coach, as a broadcaster, as a businessman, as an author, and whatever other careers he has tried; is all linked to his horrible personality.

I have no idea whether Hubert will succeed as a coach. But everyone who has ever worked with him loves him. So he'll never have a team quit on him the way Doherty did.

 

[bthaunert]

Hubert Davis and Matt Doherty couldn't be more different. If you have seen or heard Matt Doherty at any point in the last 20 years, you'd realize just how weak your comparison is. Doherty is a horrible human being. The reason he failed as a coach, as a broadcaster, as a businessman, as an author, and whatever other careers he has tried; is all linked to his horrible personality.

I have no idea whether Hubert will succeed as a coach. But everyone who has ever worked with him loves him. So he'll never have a team quit on him the way Doherty did.

I’m talking specifically about on court success. Matt Doherty failed in the W-L column. I think Hubert has that possibility too.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

“The succession plan in Durham, where Jon Scheyer will assume Mike Krzyzewski’s throne as the program’s head coach in the spring, doesn’t seem to deter Mark Mitchell one bit. No, judging from his recent comments to Dan McDonald of Rivals, the 6-foot-8, 205-pound elite athlete still sees the Blue Devils as the definition of college basketball royalty:

“I think the transition there has been pretty smooth. They were really transparent with me from the beginning. My relationship with [Jon Scheyer] is great. We talk all the time. And Duke basketball is just different. It’s almost like the mecca of college basketball.”

More like the Detroit

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

“The succession plan in Durham, where Jon Scheyer will assume Mike Krzyzewski’s throne as the program’s head coach in the spring, doesn’t seem to deter Mark Mitchell one bit. No, judging from his recent comments to Dan McDonald of Rivals, the 6-foot-8, 205-pound elite athlete still sees the Blue Devils as the definition of college basketball royalty:

“I think the transition there has been pretty smooth. They were really transparent with me from the beginning. My relationship with [Jon Scheyer] is great. We talk all the time. And Duke basketball is just different. It’s almost like the mecca of college basketball.”

It’s really sad and pathetic that kids these days are so ignorant they think Duke is the best college program ever. Duke wasn’t shit before 1985.

 

[Duke Blu]

It’s really sad and pathetic that kids these days are so ignorant they think Duke is the best college program ever. Duke wasn’t shit before 1985.

Duke has become the it school to many kids. I know it’s very difficult for many of you to fathom, but it is the truth. Kids WANT to be able to say “I have an offer from Duke.” Parents want to be able to say, my kid is being recruited by Duke. It’s a status thing. NON basketball fans know who you are talking about when you say the name.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Duke has become the it school to many kids. I know it’s very difficult for many of you to fathom, but it is the truth. Kids WANT to be able to say “I have an offer from Duke.” Parents want to be able to say, my kid is being recruited by Duke. It’s a status thing.

Kids also speed, knock each-other up, and shoot up fentanyl

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

Duke has become the it school to many kids. I know it’s very difficult for many of you to fathom, but it is the truth. Kids WANT to be able to say “I have an offer from Duke.” Parents want to be able to say, my kid is being recruited by Duke. It’s a status thing. NON basketball fans know who you are talking about when you say the name.

Are you willing to admit that your program was paying for recruits over the past decade, including putting their families up in a million dollar home in Colvard Farms? How many years do you think Duke should be banned from the tourney for those impermissible benefits?

 

[Duke Blu]

Are you willing to admit that your program was paying for recruits over the past decade, including putting their families up in a million dollar home in Colvard Farms? How many years do you think Duke should be banned from the tourney for those impermissible benefits?

No. Accusations aren’t proof.

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

Who gives a shit. Not me, I hope neither school wins a game for the rest of their existence, north Carolina for their academic cheating and duke simply for existing period. As a matter of fact as bad as I hate north Carolina, I hate duke 1000 more.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Duke has become the it school to many kids. I know it’s very difficult for many of you to fathom, but it is the truth. Kids WANT to be able to say “I have an offer from Duke.” Parents want to be able to say, my kid is being recruited by Duke. It’s a status thing. NON basketball fans know who you are talking about when you say the name.

CCNY was the it school in the 40’s. UCLA was the it school of the late 60’s/early 70’s. Georgetown was the it school in the 80’s. UConn was the it school of the early 2000’s.

Those programs come and go, UK remains.

Enjoy your 15 minutes, the K era is coming to an end and the Scheyer era is an uncertain one. There’s a slim chance it might match the K era. But there’s a much higher chance it will be a huge disappointment. Look at history. It tends to repeat itself.

 

[Ron Mehico]

CCNY was the it school in the 40’s. UCLA was the it school of the late 60’s/early 70’s. Georgetown was the it school in the 80’s. UConn was the it school of the early 2000’s.

Those programs come and go, UK remains.

Enjoy your 15 minutes, the K era is coming to an end and the Scheyer era is an uncertain one. There’s a slim chance it might match the K era. But there’s a much higher chance it will be a huge disappointment. Look at history. It tends to repeat itself.

Some of our bigger coaching disappointments were coaches that were very, even historically successful at smaller schools in major conferences. I can’t fathom UK hiring a former assistant with literally no head coaching experience and UNC and Duke BOTH did!! Like WTF. As a Kentucky fan I’m thrilled with both hires and expect both to be gone in 5 years. Completely perplexing hires. We were afraid Duke was going to go after Brad Stevens last year, remember?