Can Trey be a high lottery pick without shooting 3's?

[mkasten25]

I feel like he'll play some 3 and stretch 4. He is 4-28 from 3 this year. He's deadly from the baseline 15 footer and showing some good back to the basket moves, but would you use a lottery pick on him until he can shoot the 3 (I picture him as a Durant type eventually). Hope this isn't clutter, he's got tons of upside, but more as a killer 3 where his size is an advantage, rather than being an undersized 4.

 

[caneintally]

Yes but Trey is a good shooter and will become a good 3 pt shooter . it was wierd in the first 3 games ( the bw scrimmage and the 2 preaseason games ) he made a bunch of threes and counldn't miss from downtown . He doesn't take many but i fully expect him to shoot around 35% from there next year if he comes back. His stroke is soo pure . He just needs confidence in it . He is combo forward but i like him at the 3 and many of the scouts do as well.

 

[Aike]

He has a nice stroke and will develop the 3 over time. He isn't a thing like Durant. Not even in the same ballpark.

 

[brianpoe]

Trey better hope to be a stretch 4, I disagree with Cane regarding him being a 3 in the NBA. His defense is ok now, but goodness gracious those SF's would eat him for days.

I also disagree with you, how is 6'10 undersized for a PF? Durant, really, did you see KD as a freshman (26 pts per and 40% from the 3? Our boy isn't close to that.

I can see Trey being very productive in the league, especially if he keeps getting better at rebounding.

Hope he comes back.

 

[Aike]

As to your original question, I don't think he will be a high lottery pick this year, though I could see him in the late lottery or early 20s. If he were already a knock down 3 point shooter, then yes, he might move up a few spots.

 

[caneintally]

Originally posted by brianpoe:
Trey better hope to be a stretch 4, I disagree with Cane regarding him being a 3 in the NBA. His defense is ok now, but goodness gracious those SF's would eat him for days.

I also disagree with you, how is 6'10 undersized for a PF? Durant, really, did you see KD as a freshman (26 pts per and 40% from the 3? Our boy isn't close to that.

I can see Trey being very productive in the league, especially if he keeps getting better at rebounding.

Hope he comes back.

He is thin for a PF due to being a SF , i know he sees himself as SF as well as he has said it in interveiws . He could definetly bulk up and be a great PF though as well. His game though is all SF . He likes it in the open floor , driving and dunking and shooting 15 fters. He can post up and is damn good at it but in the NBA he would need to put on 25 pounds. I know when Chad Ford does his chats he said he was the 3rd best SF he thought in college . At that point he had Winslow Stanely Johnson as the only better . This was 2 months ago though .

 

[5iveStarRecruit]

Theres nothing in his game that resembles KD.

Trey Lyles is not[/B] a NBA 3, and any NBA team that thinks of him as one is just doing him a disservice. He should be soley viewed as a stretch-four.

He's ranked near the late teens as of now, and i suspect it'll remain like that for he remainder of the season. Hitting 3-balls would undoubtedly raise his stock, as it'll give GMs more confidence he can develop one, but his mid-range accuracy still gives scouts hope with time his range will stretch out to the 3-point line.

 

[rhstoess]

Originally posted by caneintally:

Originally posted by brianpoe:
Trey better hope to be a stretch 4, I disagree with Cane regarding him being a 3 in the NBA. His defense is ok now, but goodness gracious those SF's would eat him for days.

I also disagree with you, how is 6'10 undersized for a PF? Durant, really, did you see KD as a freshman (26 pts per and 40% from the 3? Our boy isn't close to that.

I can see Trey being very productive in the league, especially if he keeps getting better at rebounding.

Hope he comes back.

He is thin for a PF due to being a SF , i know he sees himself as SF as well as he has said it in interveiws . He could definetly bulk up and be a great PF though as well. His game though is all SF . He likes it in the open floor , driving and dunking and shooting 15 fters. He can post up and is damn good at it but in the NBA he would need to put on 25 pounds. I know when Chad Ford does his chats he said he was the 3rd best SF he thought in college . At that point he had Winslow Stanely Johnson as the only better . This was 2 months ago though .

Trey isn't thin? He weighs 235. I think thats around the NBA average right now for a PF

 

[brianpoe]

Originally posted by rhstoess:

Originally posted by caneintally:

Originally posted by brianpoe:
Trey better hope to be a stretch 4, I disagree with Cane regarding him being a 3 in the NBA. His defense is ok now, but goodness gracious those SF's would eat him for days.

I also disagree with you, how is 6'10 undersized for a PF? Durant, really, did you see KD as a freshman (26 pts per and 40% from the 3? Our boy isn't close to that.

I can see Trey being very productive in the league, especially if he keeps getting better at rebounding.

Hope he comes back.

He is thin for a PF due to being a SF , i know he sees himself as SF as well as he has said it in interveiws . He could definetly bulk up and be a great PF though as well. His game though is all SF . He likes it in the open floor , driving and dunking and shooting 15 fters. He can post up and is damn good at it but in the NBA he would need to put on 25 pounds. I know when Chad Ford does his chats he said he was the 3rd best SF he thought in college . At that point he had Winslow Stanely Johnson as the only better . This was 2 months ago though .

Trey isn't thin? He weighs 235. I think thats around the NBA average right now for a PF

And how many NBA'ers get thinner as they get older? This kid will be 245-250 and a stretch 4 with a spot up 3pt shot who can work the paint a bit. He has no handles to be a SF and cannot defend current SF's. IMHO

 

[gossie21]

He's probably top-10 if he comes back regardless of his outside shot.

This year he's a late first round pick.
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[GOING FOR #9]

Lyles is gonna grow another inch and he will gain a little weight. He's will be a fine 4 in the nba. I think he could be the top pick if he were to stay another season.

 

[brianpoe]

As to Chad Ford, as if I need to say anything, he has Marcus Lee ranked over Nigel Hayes, Perry Ellis, and Branden Ashley this year.

 

[WildMoon]

Why do people use STRETCH 4?

People like to use that word too much.

As of now Lyles is a normal 4. He'll be a good one at that. Nothing to worry here.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Reminds me of Markieff Morris, but will probably be a little better rebounder.

 

[Aike]

Originally posted by WildMoon:
Why do people use STRETCH 4?

People like to use that word too much.

As of now Lyles is a normal 4. He'll be a good one at that. Nothing to worry here.

Because basketball doesn't really have 5 positions anymore. In reality, there are probably a dozen+ roles filled on an NBA roster. Stretch 4 is a thing.

 

[5iveStarRecruit]

Originally posted by WildMoon:
Why do people use STRETCH 4?

People like to use that word too much.

As of now Lyles is a normal 4. He'll be a good one at that. Nothing to worry here.

…Do you even watch the NBA??

Bigs who can shoot get labeled stretch Fours/fives. They're highly valued bigs in this era of basketball where floor spacing is crucial.

A " normal" 4 is someone who can't space the floor with its shooting.

 

[BLEEDBLUE444]

Said this in another thread, but Lyles will not have a defined position, and this is where his true value lies, depending on what his coach wants to run at the next level, Lyles will indeed be a floor stretching 4, if the team he is with has an anchor down low. Or he will be a three that can cause matchup nightmares for smaller defenders, and will be plenty capable of hitting 3 pointers in the league.

Lyles will eventually hit a lot of threes for some NBA team, and his value lies in that he can play 3 or a 4 whether the coach wants to play small ball or not. The only reason peeple think Lyles is not capable of playing the 3 is that he won't be able to guard 3's in the league, I think personally he will be able to guard 3's and 4's and be just fine.

I think it's strange to put a defined label on Lyles, he will be able to play multiple positions in the league depending on whatever system he gets drafted into. He's a Swiss army knife of sorts and that will make him very valuable to many teams. Some guys never make it in the league because they are "tweeners" Well Trey is the complete opposite of a "tweener" imo he has the ability to play 3 or 4 and contribute significantly to a team.

My NBA comparison for Trey is a better Harrison Barnes, even though Harrison Barnes to his credit plays in a loaded system, if he was in NY per say, his numbers would look a ton better. I also like the Barnes comparison because he is versatile, sometimes Golden State and Kerr run him at the 4 and he is a better than expected post up player, and he can also spread out and give opposing 4's trying to guard him matchup nightmares. Then something's they play Barnes at the 3.

I know Barnes hit more 3's in college than Trey is, but we simply have to many options for Trey to just jack up 3's in our offense. He is a smart and composed player, who takes great shots. Trey's shot selection is simply incredibly poised for a freshman, Barnes used to jack up a lot of shots in UNC's uptempo offense and that team didn't have nearly the amount of options we do. If Trey jacked up a lot of 3's this season, a certain amount of them would find their way to the bottom of the net

This post was edited on 3/6 12:59 AM by BLEEDBLUE444

 

[jslash1]

Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:

Originally posted by WildMoon:
Why do people use STRETCH 4?

People like to use that word too much.

As of now Lyles is a normal 4. He'll be a good one at that. Nothing to worry here.

…Do you even watch the NBA??

Bigs who can shoot get labeled stretch Fours/fives. They're highly valued bigs in this era of basketball where floor spacing is crucial.

A " normal" 4 is someone who can't space the floor with its shooting.

A "Normal" 4 now days can shoot the 3 a little usually, so you can make an easy argument that of the opposite of what you said.

 

[5iveStarRecruit]

Originally posted by jslash1:

Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:

Originally posted by WildMoon:
Why do people use STRETCH 4?

People like to use that word too much.

As of now Lyles is a normal 4. He'll be a good one at that. Nothing to worry here.

…Do you even watch the NBA??

Bigs who can shoot get labeled stretch Fours/fives. They're highly valued bigs in this era of basketball where floor spacing is crucial.

A " normal" 4 is someone who can't space the floor with its shooting.

A "Normal" 4 now days can shoot the 3 a little usually, so you can make an easy argument that of the opposite of what you said.

Not really.

Theres PFs like Tristian Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Jason Thompson, Amir Johnson, etc that don't stretch the floor at all.

Some people are hesitate to throw out the stretch legal to PFs who can hit the 15 footer but can't knock down the 3, like David West, Enes Kanter, David Lee, etc. Which is understandable. Due to Lyles youth, he'll be projected as a stretch-four since whoever selects him will likely work overtime on polishing up his 3-ball.
This post was edited on 3/6 1:12 AM by 5iveStarRecruit

 

[stoneycat_20]

He shot a lot of 3's early and was in a slump..Booker was also...Lyles is a very good 3pt shooter.....would like to see him and Towns take a couple per game