Caller Delivers Some Sobering News to Stoops
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He’s always been a mediocre coach imo. Lucked out many times with game clock situations and has always played scared
UK has hit a wall. Be lucky to make a bowl game this year. Stoops regime is downhill from here and the 9 million dollar man won't be leaving any time soon.
I wish Iowa or whoever else would want him would take him off our hands. His résumé won’t get him many offers, unfortunately.
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This is also the last year with divisions. If they don't win at Miss. State. Coach Stoops record against SEC West teams on the road will be 0-11.
Counterpoint: Kentucky has the 4th most SEC wins since 2018.
Let's not pretend Stoops/UK didn't have to build from the ground up when he got here. Maybe he's hit the glass ceiling, maybe he hasn't.
One thing is for sure - recruiting must be top 15 every year and not 20-25 or nothing is going to change.
Let's not pretend Stoops/UK didn't have to build from the ground up when he got here. Maybe he's hit the glass ceiling, maybe he hasn't.
One thing is for sure - recruiting must be top 15 every year and not 20-25 or nothing is going to change.
Not sure why so many UK fans are losing their minds after a loss to Georgia. Georgia owns everyone, even Alabama and Ohio state. They beat Oregon 49-3 last year.
I am disappointed with the buttkicking on saturday, but let's not lose the forest through the trees.
I am disappointed with the buttkicking on saturday, but let's not lose the forest through the trees.
I'm convinced Stoops looks at the schedule and thinks he can't beat Georgia, Alabama, etc and doesn't bother game planning much for them. Just tries to slow the game down enough to make it look respectable. The Florida's, South Carolina's he makes an effort to beat and it shows. I mean even Brooks beat #1 LSU once.
Stoops has 2 10 win seasons in 11 years. The other years are exactly what we got before him.
Are you satisfied with 2 10 win season in over a decade??? If your answer is yes, you might want to become a WKU fan. We are the university of Kentucky and we are not satisfied with mediocrity. Maybe this program is the wrong one for you to cheer for.
They'll respond with ''yeah but Kentucky has always been bad''. So they'll want to ride the status quo. Wonder why we've been bad for 40-50 years? Fans and ADs accepting mediocrity and bad years. Our coach gets a bonus if he wins SIX games???????
If you look at the complete season to this point, the Florida game was a fluke. The Georgia game and the first four games of the season had an identical blueprint...a lack of discipline and execution. The first 4 teams weren't strong enough to take advantage of our piss-poor play. Georgia exploited it to an extreme. I don't think most people are upset about losing to Georgia but are upset about the continual bad play.
Good news is there are no more Georgia's on the schedule. Bad news is there are no more Akron's or Ball State's on the schedule. The teams that are left to play are all strong enough to take advantage of our repeated mistakes. Just maybe not to the level that UGA did. My point is that if things don't improve, we could be looking at losses that will be more disappointing than UGA. The rest of the season UK needs to show that the UF game is the norm that they can play to.
It's not that UK lost the game. Losing to Georgia is fine but UK looked more like the MAC teams Stoops likes to depend on beating to get his 6-win season and his personal BARNHART BONUS to pad his bank account for some irrelevant bowl appearance that many players are not opting to not even play. Games like the Georgia reveal and expose the Stoops/Barnhart reality. This bunch will rue the day for Stoops suggesting to fans to PONY UP if they want a different reality. Fans refusing to PONY UP will reveal to them a reality that they will likely deserve.
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Exactly right!!!!
I’ll say this again, Best Job in America. Top 10 money for not even top 25 results.!
Tenneessee has the weapons to take us to the woodshed like UGA. Alabama too.
Are people forgetting how bad we struggled against Eastern Kentucky????? This isn’t about UGA entirely.
Touch and go for now after Stoops' comments, but Stoops has an OC that can get and develop talent and we're bringing in our best defensive recruiting class maybe ever. Saying we're nothing but downhill from here is a bit premature.
Plus, I don't think that statistic says as much people think it does. We win and we take away wins from other teams. We lose, and they become the magical winning record team. That's how seasons work. What's our W/L against opponents ranked in the final polls? What's our W/L compared to respective recruiting classes? What's our W/L ratio in Stoops' last five years compared to any other five year span in UK football history?
Losses to UK basically got Dan Mullen and Coach O fired and/or made their teams give up the ghost. I don't know about you all, but I don't see many teams beating Bama or Georgia into submission in the past five years, so where are these beatable winning SEC teams? We were one of four SEC teams with a winning conference record in 2021. We didn't play Bama or LSU last year, so we didn't get a crack at two of the four winning teams (not that we would've won, given the offense, but that's beside the point).
The caller presented a useless index, in my opinion, and it's unfortunate because it does nothing but detract from the work UK and Stoops have put into the program. Stoops just turned the corner on W/L after inheriting a dead program and now we're pissed that he isn't dethroning Saban's Bama, Kirby's Georgia, or Kiffin's Rebels? I'm all for expecting higher heights for the program, but this is an example of manufactured outrage.
There are absolutely things that need to be addressed in the program that haven't, but geez.
Ole miss isn't a powerhouse. They haven't been since the early 60s.
Touch and go for now after Stoops' comments, but Stoops has an OC that can get and develop talent and we're bringing in our best defensive recruiting class maybe ever. Saying we're nothing but downhill from here is a bit premature.
Plus, I don't think that statistic says as much people think it does. We win and we take away wins from other teams. We lose, and they become the magical winning record team. That's how seasons work. What's our W/L against opponents ranked in the final polls? What's our W/L compared to respective recruiting classes? What's our W/L ratio in Stoops' last five years compared to any other five year span in UK football history?
Losses to UK basically got Dan Mullen and Coach O fired and/or made their teams give up the ghost. I don't know about you all, but I don't see many teams beating Bama or Georgia into submission in the past five years, so where are these beatable winning SEC teams? We were one of four SEC teams with a winning conference record in 2021. We didn't play Bama or LSU last year, so we didn't get a crack at two of the four winning teams (not that we would've won, given the offense, but that's beside the point).
The caller presented a useless index, in my opinion, and it's unfortunate because it does nothing but detract from the work UK and Stoops have put into the program. Stoops just turned the corner on W/L after inheriting a dead program and now we're pissed that he isn't dethroning Saban's Bama, Kirby's Georgia, or Kiffin's Rebels? I'm all for expecting higher heights for the program, but this is an example of manufactured outrage.
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Every single coach making similar money as Stoops all have better programs and most of the time in less time.
Anybody that was not listening when this stat was brought to his attention, Stoops was very angry. Told the guy to come and see how well he could do coaching at Kentucky.
Thin-skinned coaches don't last very long.
"The other years are exactly what we got before him".
Thanks for admitting you know nothing about Kentucky Football. Kentucky Football was perfectly fine with mediocrity for decades - it has absolutely nothing to do with the fans who regularly put 60K in the seats to watch 4-6 and 5-5 type teams play.
You are in no position to recommend to anyone who to cheer for if you are this ignorant about Kentucky football.
We lost to Vandy 40-0 at home the year before Stoops got here. We regularly lost to Florida - but you apparently wouldn't know - 73-7 and 65-0 during the Bill Curry years. We lost to Florida AND Tennessee 30 years in a row. That UGA beatdown Saturday night was normal for Kentucky for years.
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lol, you're a clown.
And UK has never been a powerhouse. Kiffin has Ole Miss playing well in the West this year and in 2021. LSU isn't consistent. Tennessee is hit or miss most years. Texas A&M looks like garbage or decent most years, which is amazing considering... Jimbo. I had to pick someone besides Bama and UGA and Kiffin was the first person I thought of.
We compete with Florida and Tennessee, two traditional powerhouses with insane recruiting classes, for second in the East quite a bit. Fans are welcome to be displeased with whatever, but to be in that position given that we have none of the home-grown recruiting grounds and history of literally the rest of the southern states is great.
I'm just trying to offer my (what I think is rational) two cents since fans seem to think the program is in free fall after getting whipped by what is undoubtedly the number one team in the nation. I get it, it's not THAT we lost, it's HOW we lost. Fair. Great.
Number 6 Tennessee got doubled up by the dumbest sunglasses in the Carolinas last year and yet there still isn't a fanbase in America that talks more shit than them. Bama scraped by against South Florida this year. LSU mollywhopped the best defense in the SEC in 2019 to win the championship. UGA embarrassed an awesome Michigan team in 2021 while Bama embarrassed Cincy. I don't think it's insane to recognize that beating the best of the best is exceedingly difficult and that doing so consistently is a ridiculous expectation for all but the top five or six programs in a given year.
I'm not freaking out because of the UGA loss, though I'm disappointed. I think that's fair and rational.
At some point you gotta admit that we don’t have the voice in the room that gets you over the top. I’ve heard bits of Stoops’ locker room talk and it’s cringeworthy. You throw in some of the complaining and excuses we’ve heard over the years and now it’s coming off as whining. At the end of the day, these kids need a motivator that’s going to make them hungry and hold them accountable when they make mistakes.
This board has become as bad as Rafters.
We lost to the #1 Team in the country, most people that knows anything about football expected it.
Did we look bad, yes? Most of y'all just mad that we lost, and UL won when it comes right down to it. I hate it too, but we don't need to get rid of the one man that has more success here than any other coach in UK Football History.
UK fans love to bail on their teams and coaches...classic.
We lost to the #1 Team in the country, most people that knows anything about football expected it.
Did we look bad, yes? Most of y'all just mad that we lost, and UL won when it comes right down to it. I hate it too, but we don't need to get rid of the one man that has more success here than any other coach in UK Football History.
UK fans love to bail on their teams and coaches...classic.
The inference from the stat is illogical. Of course they had losing records qhen they lost to UK. If all of those teams had won, then many of that list would have been 500 or better.
Uk is 0-7 against #1 teams and 1-17 against top 10. What does that say? Uk is not a top 10 or #1 program.
However, uk has beat teams 11-25 10 out of the last 11 times. What does that say?
That is better than the glory days of curry and joker.
The uga loss was ugly.
Ah hell. They have better recruits than Kentucky, generally, but fair point. To be honest, I still forget Mizzou is in the SEC sometimes.
I was talking about Missouri being ''southern''. That team feels so out of place in the SEC. Big 12 written all over them.
How many of those teams would have been 5-3 had they beaten us? Just wondering, not going to research it.
Oh absolutely. Missouri is a Midwestern state. I will say, though, that their borders with Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky give them something southern by osmosis. That could also be the Ozark Mountains influencing things though.
Yeah, I’d think so. Gonna check it out after I feed the farm critters.
No one is bailing but being decimated as a ranked team should raise questions. Stoops is on fire once again with the recruiting trail, so I can be lenient. However, at some point, you have to decide if you're going up the ladder or down.
Stoops is the best thing to ever happen to UK football. People can be annoyed at losing to the two-time defending national champ if they want, but don't get in front of your skis on the current state of the program.
I can’t even respond to this kind of thinking. Successful people do not think this way. Have a nice day, sir.
Well, if we didn’t beat them, guaranteed 5 more teams would have had a winning record in SEC play. No telling what the other teams would've done the rest of their season if they would've beaten us in the first half of theirs. Losing to us in football sure hurt the confidence of a lot of programs the first 6 years Stoops was HC.
I don't think Stoops understood the question, nor does he care what the opponent's record is after they play UK. The team can only play who they play when they play them.
Griping about getting to a place where we are expected to best teams with winning conference records us a convenience we didn't have before Stoops. I think people are fkn stupid for forgetting that, because we are only 1 coaching change away from Bill Curryesque catastrophe. Looking around the college landscape and seeing Clemson struggle in an EASY ACC. Note Dame barely back to relevance before getting beaten by UL. FLORIDA, who has a HEEEEUUUUGE home state and national talent advantage over UK, STRUGGLING to be competitive WITH US, but handling UT....
I know the bluegrass is always greener for UK fans when it comes to football, but you'd have to apocalyptically BLIND to not see or understand how hard it is for THIS PROGRAM to be where it is, much less sustain it. The national media hardly notices or mentions us. The regional and conference media still mocks us and is just itching for us to fade into oblivion again. Seems our "fans" are as well.
Tell me, again, who's knocking on our door desperate to coach mighty UK Football in a conference that is adding TX and OK next season? LOL! Yeah, that's what I thought.
Here's a list of reasons why we are fortunate to be where we are and with the potential to move higher still under this staff-
1) Our stadium draws >30k per game less than the big dogs in our conference, and can't even seat within 35k the capacity of UT and maybe some others. Less money
2) Our fans are bitchin about ticket prices, bitched about beer, bitched about parking. Everything is "TOO EXPENSIVE" or "not enough." Less money
3) NO matter how poorly our basketball team plays, the admin and fans still dump money on that program like no other, and they demand it be spent on that program while football foots the bill for the Olympic sports. Less money
4) PEOPLE griped about NIL and paying players, and funds aren't coming in like we will need to be competitive in the region much less here in the $€C. Less money
If yall are really wanting to take it to the next level, put up or shut up FOR STARTERS.... then let's talk
UK/Stoops have benefited from a very manageable schedule the last few years. Get the 3 gimme-wins against scrub teams in the pre-SEC part of the schedule, another 3-4 wins versus slumping conference foes and top it off with a win over UofL = 8-9 wins.
Plus, we haven't had to face multiple SEC powers in the same season like we will starting this year. Having Georgia and Alabama on the schedule is tough enough. But, add resurgent Missouri and Tennessee in as well as a road game to a much improved USCjr and it's suddenly a lot tougher to get to 8 or 9 wins.
I don't think UK fans would have been nearly as upset with Stoops and the program as a whole if we had just competed against Georgia. This team was never in contention and honestly it felt like we didn't even deserve to be on the same field.
Stoops is paid $9 million per year to do better than that. He might not beat Georgia but, he shouldn't be getting embarrassed and humiliated either.
Plus, we haven't had to face multiple SEC powers in the same season like we will starting this year. Having Georgia and Alabama on the schedule is tough enough. But, add resurgent Missouri and Tennessee in as well as a road game to a much improved USCjr and it's suddenly a lot tougher to get to 8 or 9 wins.
I don't think UK fans would have been nearly as upset with Stoops and the program as a whole if we had just competed against Georgia. This team was never in contention and honestly it felt like we didn't even deserve to be on the same field.
Stoops is paid $9 million per year to do better than that. He might not beat Georgia but, he shouldn't be getting embarrassed and humiliated either.
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