Caller Delivers Some Sobering News to Stoops
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I’m still annoyed we lost to a Vanderbilt team at home that had lost 26 SEC games in a row. Stoops always puts up stinkers every year.
Plus many of those teams were riding high when we beat them. We beat several ranked teams that went on to spiral. We deserve the credit for beating them as they were. Florida last year is a good example
Our fans and AD don’t just accept mediocrity. They celebrate it. Wait until we get our 6th win and see how many people are excited about being bowl eligible.
It’s absurd to me the 2 options for some UK fans are what we have now or 2 win seasons. The program looks nothing like it did in 2003. It’s completely different.
I wish I got a bonus every year I had a 50% success rate. Only UK would do this.
For $9 million a year (top 10 in the country) you don’t think we could hire a decent coach if Stoops were to leave.
People are not losing their minds over losing one game. They are upset because a.) we were never even remotely competitive in the game on offense OR defense and b.) we have had exactly one game where we looked good this entire season, despite many of those games being against teams that should be vastly inferior to us.
The problem is we are not a top 10 program. If we (a top 30 program?) want a top 10 coach we need to pay top 5 money. If we are competing for a coach with Georgia or Alabama we need to pay him even more than they would, and probably a lot more.
I’d agree with that, but I think for $9 million we can find a coach that’s more than capable of doing the job here. We’re not going to be Georgia or Alabama, but I think we can build a program that can contend with them and occasionally beat them. I don’t think it’d take a Kirby or Nick Saban type of coach to win 9 games consistently here and not get embarrassed by top teams routinely.
W. T. F. is the point of hiring a "decent" coach for even 7M per year? We have better than a "decent" coach who is recruiting to THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY FOOTBALL PROGRAM like no one has ever or consistently done before. Now people want to take a flyer on some other decent coach?! THATS EXACTLY what the boosters and admin did with Joker instead of putting money into the facilities for Brooks.
No matter what coach we have this will still not be GEORGIA, FLORIDA, BAMA, AUBURN, TEXAS, T A&M, OR UT. Why doesn't anyone get this? Pride in the state and university is one thing. Blind appraisals are another.
Georgia itself has languished by expectations if not national standards until they got Kirby Smart. Alabama had struggled before Saban got things going again. NOW DO KENTUCKY.
-No history
-Small recruiting base in state
-No influence outside of KY
-Lost recruits to MAC SCHOOLS for decades
-Can't seem to get admissions right
(Thinks they are Vanderbilt academically)
-Less than a handful of >.500 conference years
-How many conference titles?
-How many Heisman winners?
-Very little preseason marketing of UK players for national trophies/awards
-NIL?
-Beat UL how many straight seasons and start every season below them in the national perception?
Figure it out!
We have really just started 3-4 years of beating out some big programs for recruits that would go to other SEC schools and B1G contenders and NOW you want to bail on the coaches that got us there? Makes no sense
Yes. They have flaws. Yes. There are areas they need to improve. But damn...
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It took a Kirby Smart type of coach just to occasionally beat Bama...
We've already been competitive with teams at that level. Being competitive was a pipe dream for us. Now we think we can win titles if we start over with a new staff...
I don't know how many of you have ever worked out for football or played the game, but there's a point where sht gets really fkn tough. A point where you're trying to push through to a high level of skills, strength, and stamina, and they can all be at entirely different times. It becomes a depressing grind if you don't have the heart for it. Now is that point for UK Football in just one aspect of the game. There will be 2 more.
We need to find some real cahones and heart as fans and back this staff instead of the usual "bail out for basketball" that's been ingrained in everyone for decades.
We've been beating who we should.
We've been upgrading the talent.
We've been beating those we haven't more and more.
We're now upgrading the depth.
We've upgraded the systems and the facilities.
Now we have to start getting the upper echelon talent at key positions, and seem ready to take that step in order to-
Best the best teams occasionally.
That's still a step or two from winning titles and beating the best every year.
Yep. That Florida team we beat in 2018 finished with the same record as we did @ 10-3. We've had some setbacks since then, but set a new floor that was once a ceiling for us. I'm not ready to throw it all away just yet
Im not at all worried about the caller's stat as the sec is usually not an easy conference.
Definitely not. We have a legit top 10 staff. Had a great plan just a few guys lost their head and ruined it. Staff should've pulled those guys after, but who'd think they'd legit just lose it.
Jmo but accountability suddenly became this staff's weakness when nil burst on the scene. They know we can't compete so they try to compensate by coddling certain guys. We all know who they are.
We won't truly take the next step until we get back to accountability and hard hat attitude. Otherwise a hand full of guys will always hold the team hostage and risk derailing what was otherwise going to be a very solid contested game
I agree completely. If people would just accept this they could enjoy sports as a whole better.
Everyone on here that thinks we can win the SEC and national titled please donate your annual net income to the cause. You can alternatively burn the money in a firepit. It's going up in flames with no ROI either way.
I understand being upset about our no show v Georgia but I don't get folks who want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The "best thing" equals getting us out of the cellar. We are victims of our own low expectations. Yes I've had more happy moments in the last decade than any other time in history. But are we supposed to be content with that? And should that justify a $9 million salary for Stoops?
Meh, it's a garbage stat. Read the response tweets. Here are a couple of highlights:
He has lasted long enough for me. Like to see him resign.
Something we all need to keep in mind ... how many times have coaches been fired after losing to UK? That is how UK is viewed across the SEC. Like it or not. Hopefully that changes over a few more years of 8, 9, 10, 11 wins. But that will take time.
He’s right. What’s the big deal. It’s fairly simple. To take the next step we have to up our recruiting. Does us no good to have a top 25 class but be second to last in the conference. This program needs 3-5 years of Top 10 recruiting classes before we can expect to make a difference. As with everything else in this world of ours, it’s all about the money.
Yeah, I think the point is that its not really gonna' get much better than this...
Stoops has topped out,... its been 11 years!!!
So for 8million a year many of us are wondering aloud if we should take another swing with a different coach....
I know Stoops has a massive extension right now, but I don't feel the same sense of desperation I do with Cal. Stoops isn't going to deliver a sub-.500 season and he certainly doesn't bring in the level of recruits Cal does, and yet he is exceeding expectations in a 50 year perspective. If he was bringing in top 3 recruiting classes for the last 10 years and still going 8-5 then yeah we should get rid of him.
Not satire.
Why wouldn’t we expect better results if we are paying Stoops top 10 money??? 10 wins should be a yearly thing for that kind of money
The best thing is two 10 win seasons since 2018 without the same recruiting base of most other 10 win programs. Saying Stoops only got us out of the cellar is some hyperbole.
Being content or not is a separate question, and that’s up to every individual. I’m not content 100% content but I’m probably 85% content. . I’d like to make the expanded playoffs once every three years. That’d make me happy and seems tough but achievable.
As far as salary goes I don’t care. I don’t pay it.
You might not pay the salary but why not get a better coach if we are paying like a top 10 program pay their coaches. Money is there, why not pursue top 10 coaches??
Hes beating all the teams he should beat and a few that they shouldn't. That's better than UK has ever done. I don't know who you all think UK football is.
I just don’t quite understand your original post, that’s not your point from the original post though.
Talked about only having two 10-win seasons in his time here and how we are accepting mediocrity if we are ok with this and should find another team.
Before stoops first 10 win seasons it had been 40 years since the last one and in the previous 103 years there had been 2 total.
So stoops 2 in 11 years is awful needs to do better and we accept mediocre results, what do you call the previous 103 years with only 2 seasons ending with 10 or more wins?
I understand the new generation of fans that didn’t cling to a radio or watch the one or two broadcasts a year growing up cheering for Kentucky football just to be disappointed year in and year out by 2, 3 4 wins and only by luck making a bowl game.
Most of us on this board cheered through the worst and now are at the peak of what Kentucky football has ever been historically minus The brief Bear Bryant days.
It is ok to be upset with that embarrassing loss. The sky is not falling and sure Kentucky may do better with the next guy with the foundation Stoops has built, it is much greater odds that it goes downhill fast though given the history of Kentucky football I have seen.
I love that you are clearly a passionate fan that wants Kentucky to get to the next level and I hope one day we both are happy and they get there.
We weren’t beating any teams before Stoops got here. We had like a two year losing streak on the road before Stoops got here.
"Stoops has 2 10 win seasons in 11 years. The other years are exactly what we got before him."
He has not had a single 10 win "season". He has had two 9 win seasons with a Bowl victory tacked on to each.
That said, he has done an incredible job building this program from worse than a pile of ashes into a really good competitive team on a consistent basis in the SEC. In my opinion Stoops has earned every opprotunity to take the next step until he is finished. No way should we want to lose this guy. We are not Alabama, but we are not Fresno State either. UK has a straight line to the National Championship every year. All they have to do is win every game one season. The 77 team would likely have been in the final 4 if the playoffs existed then. Their probation would not have happenned with NIL as well.
Hopefully he is sucessful and lays the solid foundation for when ever HE wants to retire.
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He will never retire making 10mil a year and all he has to do is win 6 games each year in order to satisfy people. He has taken us a step forward from where we were in 2011. Are you satisfied with just being better than we were a decade ago??? I’m not. We are paying Stoops as much as any top tier program are paying their coach. I would understand if we weren’t able to pay our coach as much as everyone else, but we can. The results just aren’t following like they are for teams paying similar money.
Funny how the same thing has happened to the 28-29 last teams UGA has played.
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