That was like 8 years ago. It's not like these guys don't get better.
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I don't care how we do it, just win baby! Some of you were super spoiled by Pitino to the point where you think the only way to be successful is scoring 90 a game and shooting a ton of threes. That was fun the first few games, but we were getting killed on the boards and giving up layups at will. At least we have some different wrinkles we can throw at opponents now. So you wanna slow us down? Ok, here's multiple big guys. It's nothing but a positive IMO.
1. I never trash pur players or coach
2. You were trashing Jeff Drummond who has waay established him self as a great contributor and Cat fan.
I don't mind having multiple ways to win, as it's a good thing. Cal's problem is he tends to see everything as a nail and all he has is a hammer. Or in other words, square peg in a round hole. He's had a couple of good adjustment games, but it's always like he's irked by it- like "I couldn't win my way so meh."
Big z and bradshaw will be good together too imo.
If we get everyone available I’m extremely confident we will be very successful no matter how it happens.
If we get everyone available I’m extremely confident we will be very successful no matter how it happens.
So 1 post that you personally disagree with (where he did misrepresent Cal's quote), means I haven't been a solid poster for a "long time"? Got it. Makes a ton of sense.
Feel like this is a pretty elementary post. I'm guessing just not a Cal fan, no matter what?
UNC starts 2 "bigs" and plays 3.
Arizona, top team in the nation, starts 2 bigs and NEITHER can shoot
Depending on what you consider 6'7 235lbs KJ Adams, Kansas starts 2 bigs
UCONN starts 2 "bigs" - Karaban can shoot it but so does Mitchell - and rotates 3 bigs
So I guess I don't get the hate for this quote, which also doesn't provide context. But back to my point: Cal is saying he has to find the *BEST* way to play 2 bigs *WITHOUT* clogging the lane. Why on earth are we hating on this?
Well....we have plenty of choices...and we don't have play two bigs (if by bigs you mean Bradshaw, Z and Ugo).
PG - DJ/Reed
SG - Reed/Dilly/Reeves
SF - Reeves/Edwards
PF - Thiero/Bradshaw
C - Mitchell/Bradshaw
Spot duty depending upon playing a team with size...Ugo or Z
No Playing....Burks and Hart
I have to see them to see what they look like in Ugo and Z.....but these guys better be like Ben Wallace on defense/rebounding or Z better shoot like Nowitzki to warrant pushing the above 8 guys out of minutes.
I think DontWorryAboutIt is actually a solid poster, don't think he's a Cal hater or anything necessarily.
But I also agree that I think on this team, 2 bigs can definitely work since Mitchell/Bradshaw/Big Z can all shoot the rock, handle it, pass fairly well, etc.
And Cal does need to figure out how to make it work within the confines of THIS team, meaning floor spacing, ball movement, etc.,
So I don't have a problem with the quote in the context in which he said it.
My apologies to him if he's "solid" - but taking a misconstrued quote - that I'm sure was intentionally done so to get the clicks from BBN - then to criticize Cal for it, seems pretty elementary to me. MOST elite teams are playing 2 bigs at once, that's just the truth.
I also stated in this thread that it was very clear that Drummond intentionally misrepresented Cal's statement and the spirit behind it in order to get clicks. Seems like most agree with that but there are a few in here who somehow don't agree.
I think he is referring to two of your OPs - the "Wagner Bashers" turd and the "Bradshaw is playing Nov 24" mistake. Not trying to re-litigate either of those threads, just an observation.
Nobody's perfect.
I didn't start the "Bradshaw is playing Nov 24" thread, so I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about there.
In fact, I posted in that thread that I did NOT think he would be playing on the 24th- so what exactly do you mean??
And the Wagner bashers deserved to be called out, and most posters in that thread absolutely agreed.
People who want to run around and bash and be negative, and then expect to have NOBODY say ANYTHING to them when they are proven wrong, is soo bizarre to me.
But yeah, didn't start that Nov 24 thread so no clue what you mean.
I’m not a cal fan yes. But the issue is those other teams will space the floor and run offense to get open looks, caliapari with two bigs will clog the lane and and not run anything to get shooters open
Mitchell is a very good shooter from the top of the key but seems to struggle from the corner. If he can hit from the corner better I would like him over Edwards right now. We have to remember that Mitchell has a lot more experience on Edwards right now and I think Edwards will get better as the season continues.
I'm not sure minutes are going to be available to edwards at the 4 spot going forward? That 4/5 slot is about to get fairly crowded w/ the return of 2 more 7 footers. His best chance to earn a spot in the rotation is going to be at the 3. That's our thinnest position as soon as we get healthy.
For anyone that thinks we can't play three 7 footers and still score points,, need look no further than Arizona. Four players of 7ft or more and five of 6'10" or more and averaging 94 points/gm.
Biggest difference in this team and others of late is this team can shoot the ball OR go big. We haven't had both in a while now. Anxious to see how Z will run the floor if/when cleared. Either way, we have to play to our strengths as well as our opponents', strengths or weaknesses. We all love running and scoring but I prefer winning over losing, too.
Biggest difference in this team and others of late is this team can shoot the ball OR go big. We haven't had both in a while now. Anxious to see how Z will run the floor if/when cleared. Either way, we have to play to our strengths as well as our opponents', strengths or weaknesses. We all love running and scoring but I prefer winning over losing, too.
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I agree.
It's all about tempo and pace and shot selection, not size of the guys on the court.
Mitchell has proven he can play that style.
We all can see Bradshaw can play that style, and so can Z in my opinion.
We have the players to do what we have to do to win. A team that relies too much on shooting from outside will run into nights that they don't shoot well. Our defense has to improve and I think it will, for those games. Size is not a bad thing if they can play within the system OR we plan and play to the strengths of the players we put on the floor. We've got a lot to look forward to this season.
I think you hit the nail on the head in sentence 3.
Our defense is the key to it all- we HAVE to be able to defend at a higher level and string together 3, 4, 5 stops in a row multiple times a game- that's how a great team turns a 5 point lead into a 10 point lead, into a 20 point lead on a consistent basis- it comes from stops.
This team is so hard to stop in transition- I hope Cal is spending 75% of every practice on defense- the offense will take care of itself.
I think we're behind in several areas due to injuries, eligibilty and youth...but I think this team has the pieces to be elite defensively too.
He’s already stealing money so he might as well live rent free and sneak beverages out of the fridge
He specifically said that's what he does NOT want to do, though. Again, it seemed like an intentionally click-driven tweet to me, but Cal said he specifically isn't going to do that. And if you think about it, Mitchell really DOES allow for the floor to be spaced, he can shoot it well, he's a solid passer, he can attack the paint. So it's not like our bigs are massive lumbering Zac Edey's - we absolutely can space the floor and still play 2 "bigs" at the same time...
Yeah the issue with cal is he can say things but the min a game gets tight or something he doesn’t like happens he will resort back to what he has always done. Mitchell does allow for the floor to be spaces but he has to start hitting 3s again he has been missing them recently. They can space the floor but our coach and his old tendencies and why I’m hesitant about the quote
Except we were getting killed on the boards. Nice shooting team when they share. When they don't? Not so much.
I marvel at the people who know so much from tiny sample sizes. 1 real game with Bradshaw playing significant minutes and people can see everything about not just Bradshaw but also how all of the team will respond forever and ever. (Amen.)
There's a joke about geologists. Geologists, it is said, make the best intelligence analysts. Because they're used to working with faulty data.
Geologists have got nothing on sports fans.
Kansas runs a good system of attacking the rim. They don’t post Dickinson and just force him the ball, he gets all his looks off spacing and driving. Cal doesn’t do that usually with 2 big men and it clogs the lane too much.
Cal has already admitted that our guys get beat on straight line drives too much, and that's a close sister to the other problem we have, not being able to defend the high screen. Until he finds a way to at least mitigate that damage, we will have a book on us that every opposing coach will be able to use to beat us. That will come back to bite us in March.
Part of the reason we’ve gotten killed on the boards is because Edwards is getting too many of Adou’s minutes. Adou is a superior rebounder, and showed as much versus Kansas. One could argue he was the biggest reason for our double digit lead in that game.
I see Cal getting tight and running the High -Low the last 5 minutes.
This has been my biggest issue with Cal since the Wisconsin game. He just inexplicably goes into square peg/round hole mode. From 2010 to that point - with a few exceptions - he largely stayed with what was working. And I think the results speak for themselves.
5 minutes to go.
10 point lead.
Lew Alcindor on your team.
Do you play a 5 out offense?
I’m good with Cal playing Mitchell and Bradshaw together. Both have good perimeter skills. They shouldn’t clog the lane. I’d play those two with three guards most of the time.
5 minutes to go and a 10 pt lead, you can bet money we squeeze the ball for 20 seconds a possession unless Dilly is in the game. And we don’t have Lew either.
My point was that there's a calculus to it. Lots of factors. Our guys think its fine to come down and shoot it in the first 5 seconds of the clock in cases like that. You'd at least run your offense, get the defense into rotation .,.
Well, that's not true. Let's go back on a deep dive into his history. Way back to the ... Penn game.
Really? You're going to use the Penn Game as a shining example of why that's not true? The truth is that Cal is KNOWN for slowing BIG TIME games down during crunch time, and letting teams back in the game. Care to comment on Kansas from this season? How about Kansas in 2012? I'll hang up and listen.
My comment was in response to "always"Really? You're going to use the Penn Game as a shining example of why that's not true? The truth is that Cal is KNOWN for slowing BIG TIME games down during crunch time, and letting teams back in the game. Care to comment on Kansas from this season? How about Kansas in 2012? I'll hang up and listen.
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