Because we can't talk about games that haven't been played yet. Fun to project what might happen.
Cal, CMS, and NIL
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Fine, slobber all over yourself like a lot of people did last year and the year before. I'll wait and see how things play out...hopefully better than the previous two years.
I don't think wanting to talk about games if you are fan is slobbering all over yourself. What are you doing on here, the games aren't being played today.
EDIT EDIT EDIT...Why am I even posting this on the Football board. Sorry folks.
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It never actually happened before. It was just a tall tale Bryant admittedly made up for the banquet circuit.
It happened. Not the cigarette lighter vs. the Cadillac story. That was made up.
But you better believe Bear left UK because of Rupp and the difference in the way football was treated vs. how the basketball program was being treated.
Especially after the point shaving scandal.
The "it" being discussed was the cigarette lighter. You do realize the biggest victim of the point shaving scandal was Adolph Rupp? To pin all the blame on Rupp and basketball is unfair. As I always understood it the limit on out of state commitments was a huge factor. I have never heard any suggestion that Rupp had anything to do with that. There are a multitude of other story lines and rumor I'll not get into. To act like it is simply a matter of Rupp being hostile towards football is childish and silly.
Wow. Never said anything close to that. Not going to go back and forth with you.
You might be family.
No one ever said Rupp was guilty of point shaving, but his players were, and he and UK bore responsibility for his players getting involved with gamblers. It cost the UK basketball program dearly in lost championships and labeled UK as cheaters. A reputation we still have trouble living down even today.
If you truly know the real story, then you know that UK didn't follow through on their commitment to Bear on what was going to be the result of the point shaving.
Have a good day.
If his demand to stay here required firing Rupp then I say good riddance. I don't get how that gets UK labeled as cheaters given that UK and Rupp were the ones being cheated. Many schools were actually caught up in that and the treatment UK received by the NCAA and media was not fair at all when many got off very lightly for the same thing.
There is absolutely no reason for either program to be jealous of the other one now, both are well respected both make excellent money both have great coaches AND fan bases. For any real UK fan to come on here and disparage the other program is selfish and foolish. I will bet that most of our football players like having a top of the line BB program and vice versa, a lot of the players were stars in both sports and still follow both sports.
ANY UK fan favoring their sport to the point of running down the other sport or its coaches can just go to hell as far as I am concerned. This wasn't true during our Ads first ten years when footballs money was spent in pursuit of a trophy we aren't going to win anyway AND he was afraid to rob BB, but it is true now.
Get over yourself and let it go.
ANY UK fan favoring their sport to the point of running down the other sport or its coaches can just go to hell as far as I am concerned. This wasn't true during our Ads first ten years when footballs money was spent in pursuit of a trophy we aren't going to win anyway AND he was afraid to rob BB, but it is true now.
Get over yourself and let it go.
The fact is that neither sport comes close to making what the TV contracts are bringing in, and of course that is mostly due to football. But there is no reason that our AD shouldn't be able to keep both coaches happy facilities wise, unless of course the Director's Cup gets in the way. Football is a much bigger money maker now, but it is also much more expensive, why do you think so many U's that have great BB programs don't even have a football team? Both have their place and UK is fortunate to have very good programs (since mitch was forced to spend on football AND the SEC football teams made so much money available). The TV money from football is crazy now, but BB is doing just fine also.
Another big factor in the big money in football vs BB is the NCAA robbing the BB tourney while football keeps most of the money from football bowl games.
UK is in great shape in both sports AND in both coaches, fans just need to follow their favorite and quit disparaging the other sport and coach. Or love both coaches and both sports, like I do.
Has mitch done all those things? Not that I would be the least bit surprised.
I know it happened but when did UK start restricting out of state football recruits? I thought it was later but can't remember.
Late 50’s, IIRC, well after Bear had left.
The Hack said after the Bear left and he knows more about it than I do. Maybe the Bear could see the handwriting on the wall.
Given the shenanigans at louisville one would think a lot of folks turned a blind eye when Pitino was in Lexington.
Funny how that works differently at otherplaces. I recall Charlie Strong caught up with a major UL boosters wife and no issues there w/hoghead Jurich.
Bear’s exit had nothing to do with a lighter, a watch, a Cadillac or restrictions on recruiting.
He was justifiably but hurt over Hornung going to Notre Dame, and had issues with Rupp. Bryant was told Rupp was going to be fired after the point-shaving scandal and the federal court denunciation of the basketball program in 1953.
I suspect the unwritten rule has always been win 10 or more, and take your pick: have a rough season or two, and morality clause suddenly becomes important.
I listened to that game against the New York College were points were shaved and almost broke my radio because I could not understand why Kentucky was playing so badly. Wouldn't have bothered me if Rupp had been fired at the time. Twelve year olds are not very forgiving.
Wish we’d had a twelve year old in charge, at that time!!
I think you are right, maybe a factor in us losing a very good coach in Collier, who went to Cleveland and won an NFL championship. But Colliers record went down steadily after the Bear's talent was gone.
When did the stupid legislature restrict out of state recruiting?
I was a UK student from 1961-65 and that is the story I heard around town. That Bear Bryant was a womanizer. As you said Lexington only had about 50,000 residents and everybody was into UK sports. The sexual revolution had not yet arrived and screwing around with somebody's wife or young girl was frowned upon.
While I was a student, Charlie Bradshaw was hired as UK Head coach off of the Alabama staff. He was an assistant to the Bear at Bama. When he was hired I was at a function and some old man commented, "I hope he doesn't have the morals of Bryant, if he does hide your women"
It is funny but I did not hear the "watch and Cadillac" story until I was long gone from UK. I first heard it in the 70's. It was a good tall tale. By that time Bryant was winning National Championships at Bama and UK fans were saying what could have been. So the story drew some laughs.
NIL is here and it is a paradigm shift that AD appears slow to recognize. He is building battleships (relying on 20th century recruiting tactics) in the age of aircraft carriers (21st century NIL).
I hope it doesn't cost us our FB progress over the past 10 years plus our football HC.
GBB!
I hope it doesn't cost us our FB progress over the past 10 years plus our football HC.
GBB!
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