no. It’s an Ncaa record, Dude. Not mens not womens. Dude.
Caitlin Clark finally broke the record.
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ESPN did post the amount of games it took for the top 3 scorers in NCAA history.
Intelligent people know they are two different sports and levels of competition. And then we have people like you.
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Well, what should she have done, declined the FT or missed on purpose?
This.
It is a great accomplishment.
It's also not comparable to anything the greatest men's college basketball players have done.
Both can be true.
So we are using the “Pete took more shots” angle to try to counter the “she’s played 129 games to Pistols 83. The issue with that is game length is a set length. Pete didn’t have extended minutes to get up more shots. He still averaged over 5 assist so he wasn’t shooting every trip…pace of lay was just faster despite no shot clock. She’s a gunner as well.
(weird way to measure career stats since it’s making a hypothetical from something that was possible by rules but not accomplished)…. (other than games played and adding how many more shots Pistol would have taken seeing as scorers have to shoot to score in the actual minutes played and she had that opportunity but didn’t do it…thats part of a scoring title….anyways back to back to a hypothetical of adding to her shot attempts the scorer chose not to shoot). The only logical way to “even circumstance” is to take the stats that actually happened not create stats that never happens.
She’s made 503 3pters (per espn stats currently updated) so the easiest comparison is that she needs another 230-250 fgs (range based on how many freethrows she may hit between now and April…made by season end to truly eclipse without a debate other than “she had an extra year/games”. But again that’s trying to create something that didn’t happen. Thats a slippery slope where we could take any one and done and be like “if they played 4 years they’d have this record” and that’s equally as silly.
It is a heck of an accomplishment and she’s phenomenal. But massive rule changes in the game contributed to it which is why cross generational comparisons should use per game averages only bc the factors are vast and limiting otherwise.
She’s a hell of a player. What I’m confused about are the myriad of people that are somehow offended that she scored enough points to break the record. It’s fine to point out that Pistol Pete only had 3 seasons and no three point line. That’s not Caitlin’s fault though, so why hold it against her.
It’s 2024 . Old records will be broken due to things like rule changes and more games played . It’s just how it is . Look at the NFL. They are discussing adding 18 games
We aren't offended, it's just two different entities.
Why do we never hear that ucla men and uconn women both have 11 ncaa basketball titles?
Or why doesn't uconn claim 16 to be number 1? If we are combining men and women's sports then uconn has the most titles.
UT also has 8 women's to UKs 8 men titles. So I guess UT us tied with UK for now 3rd all time n titles.
That's our only point.
I’ve always thought that number was way high. That means he would have made 10 3 pointers per game. He shot .438 from the field during his career. So, conservatively, let’s say he was .388 from what would have been a 3 pointer. That means he’s would have shot 25 times a game from 3 point range to average 10 makes.
I find it hard to believe that 25 of his 38 attempts per game (career average attempts) would have been from 3.
I never called you out personally but if you feel as such that's fine. I’ll just say that Caitlin Clark is the first big national Women’s basketball star since NIL began. She also belongs to a sport that is desperate to generate buzz and NIL opportunity so there will obviously be a push to market her name. It’s not surprising that her name is all over the place right now.
None is that to say that her accomplishments are in the same stratosphere as Pistol Pete’s. But I’m not going to be the person to feel the need to point that out.
Freshman weren't eligible until the 1972-1973 season.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ncaa-freshmen-eligibility
If Clark was a savvy business woman, she would have missed that free throw and made sure it was a highlight worthy moment.
Even though I’ll say again… she broke no such record… but whatever. She’s still gonna make bank marketing herself… far more than she will ever make playing basketball.
Some dude will break her record soon enough. A dude playing women’s basketball of course.
She’s a tremendous player. No doubt. But when Pete played it was such a different game and time. He didn’t play as many games, only 83. No 3pt shot. No shot clock. I don’t believe freshmen played varsity back then.
The coach should have had a different player shoot the FT, IMO. It would have been more exciting that way!
It’s a great accomplishment for women’s basketball. But, it had nothing to do with Pistol Pete.
It seems as if they are trying to cram women’s basketball down our throats. Any decent boy’s high school player would break Clark’s record in 2 seasons.
Also, just as the girl’s game gets a little traction, it is revealed as the shit show it truly is. Mulkey and Staley, the coaching face(s) of this game are complete idiots.
I do have a question, why are so many of the female college players fat? You don’t see this in the men’s game.
Also, just as the girl’s game gets a little traction, it is revealed as the shit show it truly is. Mulkey and Staley, the coaching face(s) of this game are complete idiots.
I do have a question, why are so many of the female college players fat? You don’t see this in the men’s game.
Congrats to Clark. It's a great accomplishment and she's a heck of a player. I don't typically watch women's basketball but I've intentionally watched several of her games this year.
As a few others have said, I'm not sure why some are getting all worked up over this accomplishment. I haven't heard anyone say the women's game is equal to the men's or that the era Pistol Pete played in is the same as today.
I also don't buy into the "better competition" argument. The women's game has evolved and Clark plays against top-level women's competition. It's not like she scored all her points in a women's YMCA league. She's playing against the highest level of non-professional women's basketball players that there is.
As a few others have said, I'm not sure why some are getting all worked up over this accomplishment. I haven't heard anyone say the women's game is equal to the men's or that the era Pistol Pete played in is the same as today.
I also don't buy into the "better competition" argument. The women's game has evolved and Clark plays against top-level women's competition. It's not like she scored all her points in a women's YMCA league. She's playing against the highest level of non-professional women's basketball players that there is.
Way too much negativity on here... I am pretty sure that less than 1% of anyone on here (he, she, they) could do this against the same competition that she faced (but I'm sure many believe so in their heads). Why not just celebrate it? I don't watch women's hoops (nor NBA), but I sure watched the game today to see what she and her team did. Pretty incredible, no matter what gender.
It’s not that she isn’t playing against the top competition available but it’s that the majority of top female athletes do not choose basketball as their sport. Same reason why USA has historically struggled in soccer compared to the rest of the world. It’s not that we don’t have the athletes to compete it’s just that we have more popular sports taking our best male athletes. (Though as soccer increases in popularity with our youth this might change.)
That is to say, compare the top women’s teams to the next tier down and it’s a much more drastic drop off compared to men’s.
Edit: to clarify I’m not saying it’s not a tremendous accomplishment, I just don’t think it’s comparable to Pistol or should be labeled as breaking his record. Completely different things but that’s ok we can celebrate both. It just doesn’t need to be a look girl did better than guy thing.
May as well compare a female softball star to Hank Aaron then.
This comparison is absolutely ridiculous. It's 2 different sports FFS.
PPetty sure a decent high school boy player who starts for a top team could easily do what she did in womens basketball. Im thinking a saul smith type could score 60 a game in womens basketball.
Ive actually ran pickup with female collegiate players, and they really arent that good.
Ive actually ran pickup with female collegiate players, and they really arent that good.
Also, the thread 'hall monitor' on full alert. 🤣
People are offended by the fact the fact it is 2 different sports you're comparing.
No one cares about Sadahuru Oh and his 800+ Homer's in Japan, either.
Outing himself as what? Realistic? You think she could play at UK? FOR THE MENS TEAM?
HAHAHAHAHA
Both athletes competed under the same umbrella organization. Both were NCAA athletes. It shouldn’t be a shock to you or anyone else that the media, who only cares about clicks, would report on this story. The Japanese comparison doesn’t make much sense.
It feels like it should be a pretty simple and understood concept that there should be some celebration of her without taking anything away from Pistol Pete. What’s the alternative? Should her scoring just simply be ignored? If not how do you suggest we recognize it? Maybe a one giant asterisk party for her?
I’m curious what sport(s) you think the top female athletes are playing? My daughter was active in sports growing up and, from what I observed, basketball and soccer were the two most popular physical sports on the women’s side. Sure, you have cheerleading and dancing but the top athletes in those are not typically going to transition well to basketball. There is also softball and field hockey, both of which seemed to have a much smaller following.
On the men’s side basketball competes with football, which doesn’t apply on the women’s side. Also, soccer continues to grow in the US.
