Briscoe has double digit shot attempts last three games
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my, my. Judge poe's respect is the least of my worries. If you can't take criticism, this board is a place you shouldn't post. Sorry if you don't approve of my opinions but I don't aspire to be a member of "your group". If I have to agree with you (or anyone else) to be a "real fan", then I'd rather be a "whiny ass". I've been a "real fan" for over 65 years and I don't feel the need to earn your respect to post on this board.
man he looks awesome lately. strong & explosive on straight-line drives, and every shot looks like it's going in
looked like he was ours for a while, too
really difficult not to dislike a kid with some uk ties who becomes enamored with that creep down there though
The same "group" is UK fans.
I dont care how old you are, several great posters on here are much older than you.
A first post accusing a player of being pathetic and attempting to pad his pathetic stats wont earn you much respect from anyone on here.
Feel free to continue to post what you want but your ass will be called out with that kind of talk regarding a player.
As someone who coaches high school ball, I can tell you just because someone performs in high school doesn't mean it will translate. You've got many more factors to deal with:
Bigger crows
More pressure
Louder atmosphere
Bigger arena
Better competition
Just to name a few. I don't understand why someone thinks just because a kid could shoot in high school they will shoot well at every level unless they have a mental block.
I was able to get through offensive lines easily in high school. Doesn't mean I was ready to take on Alabama.
Mr poe. I never called Briscoe pathetic. You should learn to read. I don't know him but I assume he is a nice guy and it appears to me that he giving 100% effort. I said his results were pathetic I
do think he is trying to pad his stats by positioning himself on the free throw lane but maybe the coaching staff is telling him to take Lee's spot on the lane. Unlike you, I could me wrong. I hope he will improve his performance but I hope the same for everyone on the team. I am so pleased that I have your permission to post but rest assured it will not be to please you or other "fans" like you.
I love how some people think stats always tell the story when in fact they can mislead in many ways. If you aren't capable to see what's going on without running to statistics every other second, I get it. But There's way more going.
You always know who the real athletes aren't. Just look for the staticians.
You always know who the real athletes aren't. Just look for the staticians.
Probably going to be one of the "play-in" games with the way his shooting is taking care of us until then.
Lighten up, princess. No, you didn't call Briscoe pathetic. You said he had "pathetic stats." Brian is a good poster. Normally, he wouldn't misconstrue anything like that but since you're new you're fair game. That's just how it is. So nut up a little or you won't survive the nut cuttin'. Otherwise, it's all good conversation. Be an ass. Read an ass. Beautiful, virtuous arrangement we have here.
Briscoe seems to be a delicate subject for some weird reason. I ran into an estrogen ramped example last night of reader comprehension fail that just wouldn't allow a personal opinion of Briscoe that wasn't as gracious as the same one he might offer himself (or his/her cross-dresser self - haven't decided which). See what I mean about it being fair game 'round here? Now either man up, let other people win from time to time, or die and low and lonely post count. Have a nice day.
I don't doubt the several factors you listed as obvious differences.
The thing is if your looking at two kids and one is shooting 60% in HS and the other is shooting 40%, which do you think is more likely to shoot better in college? Or if we took 100 players that shoot 40% and 100 players that shoot 60%.........I'm going to go with the 60% crowd as a better bet to shoot well. Now, not every 40% kid will be worse than every 60% kid......but on average the 60% group is gonna be better.
Funny. A lot of posters were making this exact comment about another junior, also a Kentucky kid, back in December, early January even.
What I was responding to was this steady crowd of Briscoe supporters who want to cite his high school shooting as a way of pretending that means it's all a mental block.
That's not true. Briscoes problems shooting the ball obviously go much further than anything mental. He's never been a good shooter at a big time level. Never.
At this point, it being mental would be the absolute best case senario.
This is a generalization. There's alot of athletes that play in the pros and like advanced statistics.
I like stats and I'm an athlete so...![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
I'm a baseball player so we lived off stats. But in basketball, eh, it's kind of a sign when someone just goes around spouting stats all the time. I'm around tons of basketball players all the time. Stats isn't something the discuss much in detail.
Just because they don't discuss it, doesn't mean they don't follow it. But I don't know any pro athletes so I'll defer to you on that one.
Forget stats, I think when say a pro basketball player is hanging out with people, the last thing they wanna talk about is basketball. But I could be wrong.
I actually know quite a few pros (I've coached and played with a couple), and my 1st cousin actually played for the Okland A's in the 90's before throwing his arm out. So, if that's a shot, I'm not the one to throw it to.
I played D1 football and baseball. my entire life has been dedicated to this. Liking statistics is fine, and some players pay close attention to it depending on the sport. But for some on this board who define every little thing by them, shows imo, that they aren't really athletes. Statistics (not a rule) in certain sports are used in large part by people who love sports but really weren't athletes themselves. It's not a big deal, but just because someone can spout of stats doesn't mean they understand the game. People who play and played understand the game far more than they ever will.
This seems to revolve mainly around sports too. It's quite the phenomonon.....
if this were medical, no one thinks they understand being a doctor just because they read off medical stats. If this were military? No one thinks they understand navy seals because they spout off stats. Sports? these types believe they understand sports as much as an athlete just because they read some statistics.
It gets on my nerves more than anything. It's not directed at anyone in particular.just my opinion.
1. You're bringing up career stats because THIS year his stats are better than his career.
2. Do you honestly believe Hawkins is as bad a shooter as Briscoe?
3. I'm not saying I'dd bench Briscoe...i'd just cut down his minutes. he's a bricklayer and teams lay off him constantly. It does hamper other players offensively when he's on the floor. But I'll 100% agree his defense and rebounding and extra ball handler are superior to Hawkins...but Hawk is no slouch on defense as well. I'd just think it be better to put a kid with an ability to make a shot out there for Briscoe more often.
Great post. Good authoritative declaration without being the least bit condescending or uppity. When I see a single "like" from you from now on that will be like a half dozen or more likes from the stat-spouting population.
I see the other side of it tho
Especially in the baseball sabermetric community.
Far too many times people that "know the game" and "played the game" follow certain ways of playing the game that was......well incorrect or not optimal. It's not their fault. They were just doing the same thing that's always been done.
To me, it's like when Cal came here and they said well you can't be successful with a bunch of freshman. You need to have experience. That was the big thing. And Cal came and flipped that completely. He did win and won rather big with mostly freshman. You don;t need experience.......you need great players. Players tend to improve especially from Freshman to So year but if you can grab great players now, you don't need anything else.
I'm an Audit Manager as a day job. So I hear things when i watch games and I think to myself well is that really true or is someone just spouting off the same BS they have heard a dozen times before. When I'm auditing an agency and I ask why they did certain things, I normally get told "well it's because we've always done it this way"........it's the same with sports. And not just with stats. Scouting has improved leaps and bounds. Teams can now go on Synergy or whatever data they have and look at videos for just about anything. What's Briscoe's numbers when taking a jump from 15 feet away? What's Poy's effficiency on a right hook shot? I mean you can chop the data anyway you like
Especially in the baseball sabermetric community.
Far too many times people that "know the game" and "played the game" follow certain ways of playing the game that was......well incorrect or not optimal. It's not their fault. They were just doing the same thing that's always been done.
To me, it's like when Cal came here and they said well you can't be successful with a bunch of freshman. You need to have experience. That was the big thing. And Cal came and flipped that completely. He did win and won rather big with mostly freshman. You don;t need experience.......you need great players. Players tend to improve especially from Freshman to So year but if you can grab great players now, you don't need anything else.
I'm an Audit Manager as a day job. So I hear things when i watch games and I think to myself well is that really true or is someone just spouting off the same BS they have heard a dozen times before. When I'm auditing an agency and I ask why they did certain things, I normally get told "well it's because we've always done it this way"........it's the same with sports. And not just with stats. Scouting has improved leaps and bounds. Teams can now go on Synergy or whatever data they have and look at videos for just about anything. What's Briscoe's numbers when taking a jump from 15 feet away? What's Poy's effficiency on a right hook shot? I mean you can chop the data anyway you like
I've mostly played basketball. Had a vertical of 36+. Am also a math nerd.
Just an anomaly, I guess. Consider myself well-rounded. Sort of. Other than my UK Basketball obsession.
Just an anomaly, I guess. Consider myself well-rounded. Sort of. Other than my UK Basketball obsession.
I'm bringing up his career stats because of his small sample of shots. Even his career stats are a small sample. This year tho he is only 28% from three and 45% from 2 so it's still not good.
As far as him being as bad a shooter.........it's hard to say. We haven't seen alot of Hawkins honestly to be able I think to answer that question. But even if he is, I think the things that Briscoe does would outweigh any small advantage Hawkins has in shooting.
You would think that it hampers us offensively but I really don't think that's the case. I'm really high on our offense especially since Willis began playing more minutes. I don't think Briscoe being out there has hurt us offensively as most people would believe
1st rule of the fight club is Briscoe takes no more than 1 jumper per game. Layup or throw it out.
It's largely a myth that anyone thought you couldn't "win" with young players, they just thought you couldn't win "the big one" with a team of nothing but youth. Michigan disproved your notion years ago. I'm sorry to say, that truth, as far as it is a truth, still holds. We had a senior 6th man on that team who contributed in huge ways. We also had two return final four players from the year prior. At the end of a sophomore season, you're basically a junior.
I won't argue baseball, because I spent 8 years watching my statistical transformation and judged myself by it. But that wasn't the point I was making. Statistics can hide obvious truths. It's not a measuring stick at all, even in baseball. That's why pitchers can have great ERA's and terrible overall W/L records. And that's just a small, SMALL, sample. In other sports it grows even deeper.
Stats are ok to look at, but when someone tries to prove daily points using them, to me at least, it spells non-athlete. And not that thats a bad thing, not everyone had the talent to be an athlete(I would be the worlds worst auditor
). But people shouldn't create a reality that they understand sports as well as the men who played simply because they can find and understand statistical data. There's far more to playing and understanding the game than that, and as I said, we don't do it with the medical profession, we don't do it with regard to the military, but in sports; we can be world class know-it-alls by reading statistics. It's bizarre, but probably because so many people have an interest I guess.
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No one needs the input of a 10 year old, and no one is having issues understanding each other in this thread. We don't need your idiocy. Drive on.
I don't want to diminish Darius Miller obviously but he was.......like you said the 6th man. That team was led by three Freshman and two Sophomores. The fact is we did win the big one with underclassmen. We had one upperclassman that played any significant minutes on that team. I think it's somewhat silly when people go "oh see, they had that one upperclassman so you still need that to win the big one". And all underclass team has never won the title but how many opportunities do those teams have in the history of college basketball? Close to none.
Statistics can be used to hide truths. I don't deny that. Especially when someone uses them without fully understanding them.
As far as baseball goes that's a good example of a bad statistic. We should never judge pitchers on W/L record. A huge part of W/L record is the run support a pitcher gets, something that is entirely out of the pitchers hands in the AL and only slightly in NL. So you have to use the right statistics. Otherwise it can be very misleading.
Right. No one can look just at stats and conclude they understand the game. That being said, the flipside is also true IMO. Just because someone "played the game" doesn't necessarily mean they know more about the game than others. Some do. Some do not.
I can agree with a lot of that. I think Michigan kind of disproved the notion young guys can't win, and I don't think UK has proven a team full of freshman can win it all yet either. It's all subjective.
I think guys that understand the game and played have a better grasp of the ins and outs than someone who didn't play and just reads data. But I don't believe that stat geeks don't understand the game at all and don't want to appear to be saying that either.
Mike, you most certainly do not have to please me, I welcome all opinions and ideas. Please understand that after the new layout changes all banned idiots were able to return.
And most had older sign up dates and only a couple posts and they immediately resumed in their troll ways.
Its been an issue.
I dont care how nice Briscoe is, and he does give 100% effort, no doubt. I like his tenacity.
He has been posting down low for several games now, obviously if the staff didnt want him there he would be moved by now. I havent paid close attention but they could be doing the down roll move - where the low man backs up and pushes his man to the middle of the lane and the top guy comes around in front of the low man...?
Who knows? I dont really see any kids trying to pad their stats on this team.
I understand why Briscoe and Skal might desperately want to do this, but I havent seen any real evidence.
Briscoe's shooting percentages are beyond pathetic and that is probably what has you up in arms a bit. Same for the rest of us. How a guard can be so bad with his shot is mind numbing. During the tourney he either needs to fix it or be very selective with it.
I am sure you will provide some good insight eventually, we might even agree on something.
Does anyone know where you can get HS Stats for basketball?
What was Briscoe's 2pt/3pt/FT% stats just outta curiosity
What was Briscoe's 2pt/3pt/FT% stats just outta curiosity
I have seen stats posted here from the following:
High School, AAU, and event tournaments.
High School seemed to be the best, but also worse competition.
well . . . just to take S&C's example of medicine and military a step further, nobody would ever suggest that in the game of f'king. If you've never played the game, you don't know jack compared to those who have.
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