Briscoe has double digit shot attempts last three games
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Just like Briscoe's shooting. Maybe i will get smarter if I post more. Too bad it has not worked for you.
I want to apologize, I apparently gave you false information in my last post. You can and did get worse.
The truth hurts. Apology accepted.I want to apologize, I apparently gave you false information in my last post. You can and did get worse.
We did well that one possession he had it off .........maybe he should just play with one shoe lol
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Slightly off topic but was anyone pissed off the ref didn't stop play after the made basket so Tyler could get his shoe on? Just thinking about all the injuries this year I was scared he slip badly or something on D
They should have stopped play. I didn't understand why they didn't and neither could the announcers
briscoe is an egregiously terrible shooter. that doesn't make andrew a good shooter. he wasn't
andrew could occasionally get a wrong-footed lefty layup up off the glass that uk's bigs had a good shot at rebounding. that was about the extent of his playmaking in the half-court. and he was a terrible lob passer who butchered 2 & 3 on 1s fairly regularly
briscoe can pretty much get to the front of the rim at will, and either get a credible layup attempt or come to a two foot stop under control
he's a much better player, and much more of a point guard
Player Off Rating eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-FTA Pct 2PM-2PA Pct 3PM-3PA Pct
Briscoe 94.7 44 43.9 4.7 13.4 17.1 17.6 0.5 2 3.7 4 40.4 40-97 0.412 98-207 0.473 5-33 0.152
Harrison 111.6 44.6 53.1 1.7 8.1 26 18.4 0.6 2.5 2.8 4.9 59.6 126-159 0.792 65-173 0.376 36-94 0.383
Well that format was messed up lol.
I'm not sure we can really say Briscoe is MUCH better tho.
Harrison has a better offensive rating, better assist rate, better free throw shooter, better three point shooter and got to the line at a higher rate that Briscoe.
Briscoe OTOH turned the ball over less, and rebounded better.
Briscoe 94.7 44 43.9 4.7 13.4 17.1 17.6 0.5 2 3.7 4 40.4 40-97 0.412 98-207 0.473 5-33 0.152
Harrison 111.6 44.6 53.1 1.7 8.1 26 18.4 0.6 2.5 2.8 4.9 59.6 126-159 0.792 65-173 0.376 36-94 0.383
Well that format was messed up lol.
I'm not sure we can really say Briscoe is MUCH better tho.
Harrison has a better offensive rating, better assist rate, better free throw shooter, better three point shooter and got to the line at a higher rate that Briscoe.
Briscoe OTOH turned the ball over less, and rebounded better.
It would be awesome if we could cut out the "Brickso" label. Young man doesn't deserve that kind of insult on a UK board.
For some reason this year more than any other I have began to appreciate Cal's genius which (in addition to finding great players) is all about making all of the pieces to each team work together. I think he has done an amazing job of finding the 2 or 3 things each player has to do each game and getting them to do that role.
When it comes to Briscoe I think he should take a couple of jump shots per game and when he does that they need to be open and in rhythm. If he does that he will shoot better and he will in turn prevent the defense from hedging. Other than that he needs to work that baseline like he has been doing and doing his best at the FF line. Between that and playing bulldog defense and help with the ball handling, he is playing his role to a T.
When it comes to Briscoe I think he should take a couple of jump shots per game and when he does that they need to be open and in rhythm. If he does that he will shoot better and he will in turn prevent the defense from hedging. Other than that he needs to work that baseline like he has been doing and doing his best at the FF line. Between that and playing bulldog defense and help with the ball handling, he is playing his role to a T.
well briscoe plays with two other guards, and because he can't make a free throw, doesn't have the ball in his hands to get fouled at the end of games. i think that at least partially explains the discrepancy in assist rate and getting to the line
briscoe's inability to make a shot obviously impacts his advanced-ish offensive #s. but it's not as if harrison was taking the kind of 3s and jumpers murray does--almost all of his jumpers were either wide-open standstill 3s off the catch or 15 foot pullups he walked into with 2 or 3 dribbles
plus andrew played with a loaded frontcourt including a guy who is going to be one of the great players in the history of the sport
briscoe's inability to make a shot obviously impacts his advanced-ish offensive #s. but it's not as if harrison was taking the kind of 3s and jumpers murray does--almost all of his jumpers were either wide-open standstill 3s off the catch or 15 foot pullups he walked into with 2 or 3 dribbles
plus andrew played with a loaded frontcourt including a guy who is going to be one of the great players in the history of the sport
For some reason stats have no bearing on this discussion...
To say Briscoe is significantly or much better than any player with double his shooting %'s, assist and offensive rating is simply blinded by their own close minded judgmental.
Brisoce could play with Wilt, Kareem, and Bill Russell and still not make a jumper.... that is no excuse.
And who is guarding him on the FT line? Pretty much equal.
Make up the numbers you want to see I guess, but please provide some facts like we have.
Not only can he take 10 shots per game, we absolutely need him to take 10-12 shots per game. As long as he can hit 40% he will be fine. But he has to be at least a minimal threat to score 10 points a game. He is going to be given a lot of open shots because he has not proven he can consistently make them. However, he has to continue to take them.
I know a lot of people say it jokingly and don't mean anything by it. Others are clearly intending to be mean-spirited.
I just think he deserves better than to receive a label like that from "fans."
He's done an amazing job. In the beginning of the year when we were struggling I thought.......it appears we just have a bad mix of players. Others said something similar to that notion.
Now I feel like we have the perfect combination. We have guys like Murray, Willis and Ulis that can shoot the ball, we have guys like Poy and Lee that can rebound, we have a guy like Briscoe who can drive the ball.........Ulis and Murray while not getting fouled as much are driving as well and getting into the lane.
It's been a perfect mix. Since Auburn (even including the losses) the offense has been a machine. It's been a world different now from where they were. Alot point out the shooting improvement, but we've really improved on the turnovers.
If your shooting a good percentage especially from 3 and not turning the ball over and having empty possessions.......well u get this.
yeah harping incessantly on briscoe's shooting as if that's something that's being disputed is "providing facts"
briscoe is able to get to the front of the rim, even without a jumper. if you made him the primary point guard on a team with towns/willie/lyles/dakari up front, rather than the 3 on a team that's soft up front, i think it's entirely reasonable to assume his assist #s would improve both in the halfcourt and from the run-out opportunities the greatest defensive frontcourt in college basketball history provided
it's my subjective judgment that briscoe is a more creative playmaker than andrew and has better vision, and i think it's fairly obvious
briscoe is able to get to the front of the rim, even without a jumper. if you made him the primary point guard on a team with towns/willie/lyles/dakari up front, rather than the 3 on a team that's soft up front, i think it's entirely reasonable to assume his assist #s would improve both in the halfcourt and from the run-out opportunities the greatest defensive frontcourt in college basketball history provided
it's my subjective judgment that briscoe is a more creative playmaker than andrew and has better vision, and i think it's fairly obvious
We have zero front court, and most of that is just layups
No way man. If he's at rue 5 star then we need to extend it to top 50.
I agree.
Now maybe a full squad with Poy and Willis healthy, he wouldn't necessarily need to take that many but while others were injured he had to.
Now, now Mr. poe. Johnny gentle has lots of posts. Doesn't that count for anything? Blinded judgement is a bitch sometimes.
No. But 111.6 to 94.7 is pretty crystal clear who was the better player......least on offense.
Johnny is a real fan, not a whiny ass.
Johnny has earned the respect from his fellow posters.
We go at each other here, but we all know we are part of the same group.
Fly by whiners do not merit the same approbation.
His awful shooting can affect the offense in many ways, surely you agree with that?
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Cal should have let Hawkins split up Briscoe's minutes after the UL game. Hawkin's rolled his ankle and missed a ton of games and Cal just sort of goes with Briscoe's 30mpg. I think it's a slight mistake and should let Hawkins have 40-50% of those minutes. But it is what it is at this point. Really needed Kennard in this class to give us a better wing shooter
What does Hawkins bring that Briscoe doesn't?
Hawkins is a career 22% 3 point shooter and 42% from 2 pt land. He doesn't rebound as well as Briscoe either.
last night, late in the game, ulis drove under the basket and didn't have much of a play
instead of standing in the corner for a shot he can't make briscoe hesitated a beat, cut along the baseline, took a pass & one dribble and finished through contact on what probably would have been an and 1 in a close game (or with lee or poythress defending)
he knows he can't shoot. and his non-shooting probably sticks out a little more playing off the ball alongside an all-time great cat at pg who collapses defenses and kicks out himself
i don't know if cal would have recruited him if he knew he was a worse shooter than rondo, but he's still a good player
instead of standing in the corner for a shot he can't make briscoe hesitated a beat, cut along the baseline, took a pass & one dribble and finished through contact on what probably would have been an and 1 in a close game (or with lee or poythress defending)
he knows he can't shoot. and his non-shooting probably sticks out a little more playing off the ball alongside an all-time great cat at pg who collapses defenses and kicks out himself
i don't know if cal would have recruited him if he knew he was a worse shooter than rondo, but he's still a good player
He is a heady player and that was a very good play by both.
If he did start knocking down shots...
hawkins doesn't have many attempts. standing still and on balance, his shot looks ok. i do think he's a much better open shooter than briscoe
it just seems like people think because he's a small guard he can provide similar, or at least adequate, ball-handling/playmaking. and there hasn't really been any evidence of that
new rotation seems like it's going to be a starting 5 of poy/willis/briscoe/murray/ulis, and then lee/hawk/hump with matthews & skal used when there's foul trouble. i'm fine with it
it just seems like people think because he's a small guard he can provide similar, or at least adequate, ball-handling/playmaking. and there hasn't really been any evidence of that
new rotation seems like it's going to be a starting 5 of poy/willis/briscoe/murray/ulis, and then lee/hawk/hump with matthews & skal used when there's foul trouble. i'm fine with it
