Brandon Ramsey speculates on UK player mins per game
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I don't see how Dilly would only get 10. Maybe like Reeves 30, Wagner 23, Dilly 17.
Reeves less than 33
Mitchell less than 28
Bradshaw less than 25
Mitchell less than 28
Bradshaw less than 25
20 minutes for all 10 players. If Onyenso only averages 2 minutes a game - we might as well include him in senior night because he is deuces.
Chances are he won't be ready for the start of the season and if Bradshaw and Ivisic both perform well, he's going to have a difficult time making it on the floor.
This feels close based on what I've seen. Will be interesting to see how Dilly/Sheppard minutes get split. Early season the minutes will be more even, but once we get to late SEC season it will really start to tighten up. Two of those bench players will be getting no minutes at the end of the year. Dilly/Onyenso very well could be the two.
He posted this on KSR+. This was my take fwiw....which isn't much, lol.
"I think 1-3 will be viewed as Guards due to flexibility so....
120 minutes between:
-Reeves, Wagner, Shep, Dilly, Adou*, Edwards* (caveat that Adou and Edwards could slide to 4)
80 minutes between:
-Bradshaw, Mitchell, Ugo, Ivisic
Backcourt: 120mpg
Wagner- 28
Reeves-25
Edwards- 25
Shep- 15
Adou- 15
Dilly- 12
Frontcourt: 80mpg
Bradshaw- 27
Mitchell- 25
Ivisic- 17
Ugo- 11
It obviously all remains to be seen how guys recover but if everyone is healthy I think the wealth will be spread."
"I think 1-3 will be viewed as Guards due to flexibility so....
120 minutes between:
-Reeves, Wagner, Shep, Dilly, Adou*, Edwards* (caveat that Adou and Edwards could slide to 4)
80 minutes between:
-Bradshaw, Mitchell, Ugo, Ivisic
Backcourt: 120mpg
Wagner- 28
Reeves-25
Edwards- 25
Shep- 15
Adou- 15
Dilly- 12
Frontcourt: 80mpg
Bradshaw- 27
Mitchell- 25
Ivisic- 17
Ugo- 11
It obviously all remains to be seen how guys recover but if everyone is healthy I think the wealth will be spread."
He’s the only guard on the team that can play less minutes than he should and take it without becoming a locker room cancer imo.
I think he might be our 2nd or 3rd best guard out of all of them, with only Reeves being better, maybe Wagner, but if Dillingham is getting 10 minutes a game this team is going to get derailed in the locker room.
I actually think Dillingham will play closer to 17-20 and Reed will play closer to 10, Cal will have to manage the egos and even if Reed deserves to play more he’s probably got the smallest ego.
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If Ugo is healthy and only getting 2 minutes I would be absolutely shocked. I would start him over Bradshaw with both healthy. I’m high on what he is today but I also think he could develop with playing time to be dominant.
Agree that there's no way in hell that Dilly only gets 10 minutes. Maybe early in the season, but he's going to be hard to hold down.
I'll say this.....it's been a long time since we've been able to forget about foul trouble. Our guys should be playing some aggressive D.
I'll say this.....it's been a long time since we've been able to forget about foul trouble. Our guys should be playing some aggressive D.
One of things Ivisic apparently struggles with is fouling. I heard on TLR this morning he had more fouls than blocks in one of European tournaments and he averaged 3+ blocks per game.
Also, it is important to note...mpg for some of our bigs:
Cousins- 23.5
Willie- 23.6, 23.8, 25.9
Dakari- 14.1, 16.3
KAT- 21.1
Skal- 15.8
Richards- 14.8, 12.1, 29.6
EJ- 14.1
Jackson- 20.1
Sarr- 25.1
Minus Oscar you have to go back to Bam, Nerlens, AD as only bigs to play 30 plus mpg. If depth is quality Cal will use it. All of those teams from prior years had no quality backup....this team appears to have 3 who can impact the game to some degree.
Also, it is important to note...mpg for some of our bigs:
Cousins- 23.5
Willie- 23.6, 23.8, 25.9
Dakari- 14.1, 16.3
KAT- 21.1
Skal- 15.8
Richards- 14.8, 12.1, 29.6
EJ- 14.1
Jackson- 20.1
Sarr- 25.1
Minus Oscar you have to go back to Bam, Nerlens, AD as only bigs to play 30 plus mpg. If depth is quality Cal will use it. All of those teams from prior years had no quality backup....this team appears to have 3 who can impact the game to some degree.
Just play them all and by the 2nd half the other team will be gassed.
Reeves isn’t playing 33 minutes a game. More like 28 and give Dillingham 5 more
I agree. He looks like the best initiator/facilitator on the team.
WIth a roster that has the talent to compete for a Final4 and beyond, the real goal now willbe to keep everyone healthy. I think I'd favor our top guys getting 25 minutes and the reserves getting 15 (example being Wagner and Dilly). Really, with this much talent, I don't think we should ask any player to give us over 30mpg until we're in crunch time come March. This will keep players healthy and fresh, and it will also prepare the bench players with additional minutes SHOULD something happen to the guy ahead of them.
Playing Wagner 33mpg and Dilly 10mpg is not the way to go.
Playing Wagner 33mpg and Dilly 10mpg is not the way to go.
Yeah, especially early in the season, I think 27/28 is max minutes anybody is getting.
Dillingham didn't come here to play 10 minutes a game. He's going to play a lot.
Onyenso not getting only 2mpg, assuming he's healthy.
If they are healthy, I'll go:
Wagner 30
Reeves 30
Edwards 32
Mitchell 26
Onyenso 20
Bradshaw 18
Ivisic 14
Theiro 10
Dillingham 10
Sheppard 10
Burks and Hart, <1
But if Onyenso not healthy enough, or is set back to being out so long, then maybe he drops to like 10mpg, and play Bradshaw (+6) and Ivisic (+4) more.
If we are healthy, AND if guys perform as hoped, I would like to see the Platoon return. Yes, I said it! But no, not a 50/50 platoon, more like a 65/35 platoon or 60/40. So the starters playing 26mpg. And I could see guys playing their way from the 35 to the 65; or Burks potentially playing himself into the 35.
If they are healthy, I'll go:
Wagner 30
Reeves 30
Edwards 32
Mitchell 26
Onyenso 20
Bradshaw 18
Ivisic 14
Theiro 10
Dillingham 10
Sheppard 10
Burks and Hart, <1
But if Onyenso not healthy enough, or is set back to being out so long, then maybe he drops to like 10mpg, and play Bradshaw (+6) and Ivisic (+4) more.
If we are healthy, AND if guys perform as hoped, I would like to see the Platoon return. Yes, I said it! But no, not a 50/50 platoon, more like a 65/35 platoon or 60/40. So the starters playing 26mpg. And I could see guys playing their way from the 35 to the 65; or Burks potentially playing himself into the 35.
Nobody did (except Hart or Burks). But if everyone played as much as they expected/wanted, we would have about 250-300mpg.
Yeah like everyone else I agree zero chance Dilly plays 10 . closer to 20 . take 5 minutes away from Reeves and give it to him and few minutes away from Wagner too. Everyone else is spot on IMO.
I would say the time on the court would depend on match ups. And who is feeling it and who is struggling
Reeves minutes will dwindle to almost nothing by Feb.
Highly doubt anyone touches 30mpg....too much depth with guys offering different things on the floor.
Ugo 2 minutes?! Lulz not happening. The best shot blocker on the team will get more run than that. That’s absurd.
He has been really low on Ugo all off-season. He posts on KSR+ and just doesn't think Ugo is any good at all quite frankly.
To everyone saying Dilly will play closer to 20 mins… maybe he will and maybe he won’t. But Cal ain’t gonna play the kid just to avoid hurting his feelings. He’s gonna have to earn it, and so far Sheppard’s been better. It’s been a looooooong time since Cal had a stable of guards like this to go along with killer wings and elite big men. We truly have it all this year… which means Cal is gonna play the guys who give us the best chance to win, not who have the most fragile egos.
Dillingham looked good too. He looked to be a PG that sets up his guys and that's his concern, that will get him several mins
He and Wagner both yo-yo as if they're still in HS. Hopefully practice will break them of that habit. My concern with Dillingham is that he's so slight that he can be muscled out of what he wants to do.
My projections(+/- 2-3 minutes):
Wagner- 30
Edwards- 30
Reeves- 30
Mitchell- 25
Ivisic- 20
Bradshaw- 20
Sheppard- 15
Dillingham- 15
Onyenso- 10
Thiero- 5
Burks- spot duty
Hart- spot duty
G Wagner(25)/Dillingham(15)
G Reeves(20)/Sheppard(15)/Wagner(5)
G Edwards(30)/Reeves(10)
F Mitchell(25)/Bradshaw(10)/Thiero(5)
F Ivisic(20)/Bradshaw(10)/Onyenso(10)
I think if we stay healthy, we go through the whole season saying, “Thiero needs to play more, Sheppard needs to play more, etc.” because there’s just not enough minutes for those guys. Especially the guards.
But injuries will happen and that will bring more minutes for those guys.
In fact, if he isn’t 100%, I can see Onyenso losing his minutes to Bradshaw and Ivisic. That might also open up things for Thiero to get more minutes at the 4.
And Bradshaw might also give up some of his minutes to the other bigs, if he isn’t healthy.
But if all are healthy all season (rarely happens), then this is how I see the minutes going.
Wagner- 30
Edwards- 30
Reeves- 30
Mitchell- 25
Ivisic- 20
Bradshaw- 20
Sheppard- 15
Dillingham- 15
Onyenso- 10
Thiero- 5
Burks- spot duty
Hart- spot duty
G Wagner(25)/Dillingham(15)
G Reeves(20)/Sheppard(15)/Wagner(5)
G Edwards(30)/Reeves(10)
F Mitchell(25)/Bradshaw(10)/Thiero(5)
F Ivisic(20)/Bradshaw(10)/Onyenso(10)
I think if we stay healthy, we go through the whole season saying, “Thiero needs to play more, Sheppard needs to play more, etc.” because there’s just not enough minutes for those guys. Especially the guards.
But injuries will happen and that will bring more minutes for those guys.
In fact, if he isn’t 100%, I can see Onyenso losing his minutes to Bradshaw and Ivisic. That might also open up things for Thiero to get more minutes at the 4.
And Bradshaw might also give up some of his minutes to the other bigs, if he isn’t healthy.
But if all are healthy all season (rarely happens), then this is how I see the minutes going.
theiro is taking more minutes from someone with just his toughness and relentless to the basket.
The most typical scoring play in Canada was Reeves scoring.
The most typical drought-breaking scoring play in Canada was Sheppard passing it to Mitchell. Mitchell can shoot. Sheppard recognized that you give the ball to the people who shoot well.
People who readily do the easy thing over the tricky thing will play.
The most typical drought-breaking scoring play in Canada was Sheppard passing it to Mitchell. Mitchell can shoot. Sheppard recognized that you give the ball to the people who shoot well.
People who readily do the easy thing over the tricky thing will play.
I don't think any of these guys play more than 32 minutes a game. There's just too much quality depth.
This for sure.
Cal is going to play Wagner, Reeves, and Edwards as much as he can, but he will still have to play Sheppard and Dillingham.
Going to be hard to play them over 30mpg, with quality guys collecting splinters on the bench.
For those who say "no one is playing 30mpg" or "player X will play 35mpg" lets look at actual data! We have 14 seasons of Calipari UK teams to guide us.
With 1 obvious exception, the team that played 1/3 of the season in a platoon, every one of those other 13 teams had at least 2 players average 30+mpg; and only 2 of those teams had anyone average 35+mpg (& 1 of those 2 teams only played 6 guys).
34.8, 33, 30.3
35.9, 31.6, 31.5, 31
32.6, 32, 31.2, 31.1
33, 31.9, 31.8
32.6, 32.4, 31.7, 30.8
- - -
36.8, 35.2, 32.2
32.1, 30.4, 30.2
33.7, 32.4
32.6, 30.7
34.5, 33.1, 33
30.7, 30.3
32.9, 31.9, 31.2
33.5, 32.1, 31.5
Then you look at the other end of the spectrum/roster. How deep did we go, how many guys played 15mpg, 10mpg, 5mpg?
5, 9, 10
6, 6, 7
6, 7, 8
7, 8, 9
6, 7, 9
9, 10, 10 (includes Poythress who was injured after 9 games)
7, 8, 10
7, 7, 9 (but Mulder at 9.9)
7, 9, 9
8, 9, 10 (includes Green who transfered after 9 games)
7, 9, 9
8, 10, 10 (includes Clarke who only played 8 games)
7, 7, 10
7, 7, 10
Only the 15-Platoon team had more than 8 guys play 15mpg, but there have been 6 teams play 9 or 10 guys 10mpg; and no team has had their 11th man play 5+mpg. So, whoever is the 11th and 12th guys won't play but "victory cigar minutes".
With 1 obvious exception, the team that played 1/3 of the season in a platoon, every one of those other 13 teams had at least 2 players average 30+mpg; and only 2 of those teams had anyone average 35+mpg (& 1 of those 2 teams only played 6 guys).
34.8, 33, 30.3
35.9, 31.6, 31.5, 31
32.6, 32, 31.2, 31.1
33, 31.9, 31.8
32.6, 32.4, 31.7, 30.8
- - -
36.8, 35.2, 32.2
32.1, 30.4, 30.2
33.7, 32.4
32.6, 30.7
34.5, 33.1, 33
30.7, 30.3
32.9, 31.9, 31.2
33.5, 32.1, 31.5
Then you look at the other end of the spectrum/roster. How deep did we go, how many guys played 15mpg, 10mpg, 5mpg?
5, 9, 10
6, 6, 7
6, 7, 8
7, 8, 9
6, 7, 9
9, 10, 10 (includes Poythress who was injured after 9 games)
7, 8, 10
7, 7, 9 (but Mulder at 9.9)
7, 9, 9
8, 9, 10 (includes Green who transfered after 9 games)
7, 9, 9
8, 10, 10 (includes Clarke who only played 8 games)
7, 7, 10
7, 7, 10
Only the 15-Platoon team had more than 8 guys play 15mpg, but there have been 6 teams play 9 or 10 guys 10mpg; and no team has had their 11th man play 5+mpg. So, whoever is the 11th and 12th guys won't play but "victory cigar minutes".
This. There very well may not be any guys play 30 minutes a game. Maybe Reeves, but that’s about it. Way too deep and versatile of a roster for anyone to log a lot of minutes IMO. Also, lmao at Thiero playing 5 minutes a game.
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