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Bill Self blasts NCAA on Diallo situation

Tex, I can't decide if you are being naive, or disingenuous. So I'll quote a passage from today's Kansas CIty Star, then you can tell me -- has the NCAA ruled DIallo had an agent? Is this ONLY about school work? KU is making an aggressive defense, but haven't KU officials conceded the NCAA has called his handler an agent?

Here's the passage:
The 19th and final section of the letter sheds light on the NCAA’s investigation into possible amateurism issues regarding Diallo and his guardian, Tidiane Drame, a Mali-American who helped bring Diallo to the United States. The Star previously reported that the NCAA had labeled Drame as an “agent,” according to NCAA definitions of the term. According to the letter, KU alleged that the “NCAA Amateurism staff determined that Tidiane Drame … was an agent based on Internet searches and Facebook.”

In addition, the letter states that Drame has never been formally interviewed by the NCAA and that KU officials were not consulted before the determination. The letter also states that “the Amateurism staff is taking the unreasonable stance that the paperwork for the guardianship is not legitimate, despite Cheick stating on the record that Drame is his guardian.”


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Their recruiting woes are also why they're going to go down the Thon Maker rabbit hole, and if they get Maker, and he's declared ineligible, I expect to hear the same refrain. Great kid, can speak 5 languages, can do calculus on his fingers and toes vs. the big, bad NCAA.

Cal had been known in the past as a guy who would take kids despite red flags surrounding them - Evans, Rose, Bledsoe, etc. - and it has burned him at times. Cal was just interested in getting the best players on the floor. He doesn't do that as much any more because he doesn't have to - well, Self still has to in order to stay competitive.

It just irks me that Cal somehow gets the blame for those issues whereas Self is portrayed as a innocent victim of them.
 
I get it. But NO Kansas fan started the TWO current threads on Rupp about Diallo. This isn't Jayhawks stirring up Rupp. And for Skal, I saw ZERO Kansas fans that were rooting against him. It doesn't become truth when you write a post about it.

Actually, I thought Kanter had more similarities with Diallo than Skal. However, those three cases were pretty markedly different. What gets my goat is that the NCAA takes so freaking long to rule on these things. Some kids might qualify, some not. However, they need to decide and inform them so that they can move forward with their lives. Maybe Kanter and Diallo would have gone somewhere else. Maybe played NAIA or overseas. Maybe Kentucky and Kansas would have decided on other players. Heck, we're into November. That's simply not fair to those kids. Pretty much screws over the schools too.

Don't get me wrong, I want to beat the ever lovin crap out of Kansas. However, its more satisfying when you don't have kids getting screwed over by the governing body for the sport.
 

There are so many things floating out there on what the NCAA is or isn't looking at. From what the latest releases from Maui, it clear that Bill Self doesn't think the NCAA is looking at anything other than the core classes. What is the real truth? Good question.
 
Don't get me wrong, I want to beat the ever lovin crap out of Kansas. However, its more satisfying when you don't have kids getting screwed over by the governing body for the sport.

I think the majority of UK fans share your opinion. You want the best for the kid. If you were rooting just for Kansas, I would be worried for you.
 
Guilt or innocence is not the NCAA issue here. It's the process...and on that we all can agree is consistently more messed up than the IRS. And that's saying alot!


So, you have personal experience with IRS and NCAA. Interesting.
 
First of all, like I said there are fringes of both fan bases that want and think the worst of each other.

I think a lot of Jayhawks fans remember Cal from Memphis and Mass. I would think the majority of fans would believe like I do, that you don't have to cheat when you are at Kentucky. But I think the worst that would be said by some would say he cuts corners before he got to Kentucky.

About Skal, I think the average Kansas fan didn't know much about him. Like you said 'actually paid attention to the process'. But the ones that do understand recruiting would say that there wasn't much 'smoke' around Cal's recruiting of Skal. He was in early. Did the heavy lifting by spending time coaching Skal's National team. Skal picking UK over Memphis didn't raise many eye brows.

When did Cal coach Skal's national team?
 
So, you are denying that Kansas University's own letter to the NCAA -- which the Kansas City Star quoted verbatim and which I excerpted above -- SAYS FLAT OUT that the NCAA HAS ALREADY RULED that Diallo had an agent, and that is central to his eligibility issues? Well, you answered my question about whether you are being naive or disingenuous. Willfully ignorant, apparently.

Look, I like having you here. And I'm on the record saying Diallo should play, whatever. He was just a naive kid. But to pretend on this board that this is about school work only and imply its some obscure nonsense is not facing facts.
Kansas is actually University of Kansas, they just go by KU because... who knows.
 
Their recruiting woes are also why they're going to go down the Thon Maker rabbit hole, and if they get Maker, and he's declared ineligible, I expect to hear the same refrain. Great kid, can speak 5 languages, can do calculus on his fingers and toes vs. the big, bad NCAA.

Cal had been known in the past as a guy who would take kids despite red flags surrounding them - Evans, Rose, Bledsoe, etc. - and it has burned him at times. Cal was just interested in getting the best players on the floor. He doesn't do that as much any more because he doesn't have to - well, Self still has to in order to stay competitive.

It just irks me that Cal somehow gets the blame for those issues whereas Self is portrayed as a innocent victim of them.

You realize that Calipari and Kentucky continue to recruit Maker, don't you? If Maker commits to Kentucky, what refrain will we hear?
 
So, you are denying that Kansas University's own letter to the NCAA -- which the Kansas City Star quoted verbatim and which I excerpted above -- SAYS FLAT OUT that the NCAA HAS ALREADY RULED that Diallo had an agent, and that is central to his eligibility issues? Well, you answered my question about whether you are being naive or disingenuous. Willfully ignorant, apparently.

Look, I like having you here. And I'm on the record saying Diallo should play, whatever. He was just a naive kid. But to pretend on this board that this is about school work only and imply its some obscure nonsense is not facing facts.

That article also states that the NCAA concluded his guardian was an agent based on Facebook posts. Which is ludicrous.
 
I think the majority of UK fans share your opinion. You want the best for the kid. If you were rooting just for Kansas, I would be worried for you.[/QUOTE

Perhaps the best for the kid is to go the Mudiay route and stay hidden from those who could point out the bad. Keep the top end of the lotto intact as a draft pick. I guarantee you Alexander wishes he had.
 
If they haven't found anything by now, they won't. He should play.

The big boys need to break away from the NCAA. Who checks them? They are too powerful. The power conferences need to just break away.
 
So, you are denying that Kansas University's own letter to the NCAA -- which the Kansas City Star quoted verbatim and which I excerpted above -- SAYS FLAT OUT that the NCAA HAS ALREADY RULED that Diallo had an agent, and that is central to his eligibility issues? Well, you answered my question about whether you are being naive or disingenuous. Willfully ignorant, apparently.

Look, I like having you here. And I'm on the record saying Diallo should play, whatever. He was just a naive kid. But to pretend on this board that this is about school work only and imply its some obscure nonsense is not facing facts.

I am saying FLAT OUT, that the guardian being considered an agent isn't the issue.
 
That article also states that the NCAA concluded his guardian was an agent based on Facebook posts. Which is ludicrous.

Sorry dude, but you need to READ the article, which says, "was an agent based on Internet searches and Facebook."

As another posters already said, this was in the KU letter. But, you didn't even bother to quote the letter correctly. Using "internet searches" has some validity while just using Facebook posts might be a bit weak, IMO.
 
If Kansas is really want'sthe best for him and see to it he plays , let him transfer to UNCheat, he will be on thedean's list by the end of the semester!!

And I understand the joke...but the real joke is that UNC is still playing basketball and UL is still recruiting players. How can the NCAA turn a blind eye to Hookers or not being a student-athlete but want to see the homework that a 6th grader turned in almost a decade ago in Mali.
 
And I understand the joke...but the real joke is that UNC is still playing basketball and UL is still recruiting players. How can the NCAA turn a blind eye to Hookers or not being a student-athlete but want to see the homework that a 6th grader turned in almost a decade ago in Mali.
Yall are really hung up on the 6th grade thing, brilliant spin there. Almost as brilliant as bragging about a kid from a bilingual country speaking 3 languages. I'd be more worried about those OSNA classes the NCAA isn't accepting if I were you.
 
Yall are really hung up on the 6th grade thing, brilliant spin there. Almost as brilliant as bragging about a kid from a bilingual country speaking 3 languages. I'd be more worried about those OSNA classes the NCAA isn't accepting if I were you.

And, of course, the classification of his guardian as an agent. If that is true, Diallo may never play college ball. I think that also would make it an issue that is similar to the one we faced with Kanter when the NCAA deemed him a professional for eligibilty purposes.
 
You realize that Calipari and Kentucky continue to recruit Maker, don't you? If Maker commits to Kentucky, what refrain will we hear?

Maker may be listing UK, but they are not actively recruiting him and haven't for a while. Too much baggage there, and they don't want the headache. If they'd missed on Bam, or Humphries had turned out to be a dud, they might have taken a flyer on him, but they don't have to now, and they won't. With Hump, Wynyard, Bam, SKJ, Gabriel, Willis, and who knows, Lee may come back, UK is locked and loaded at the 3, 4, 5 next year.
 
Yall are really hung up on the 6th grade thing, brilliant spin there. Almost as brilliant as bragging about a kid from a bilingual country speaking 3 languages. I'd be more worried about those OSNA classes the NCAA isn't accepting if I were you.

The truth is a powerful force.
 
And, of course, the classification of his guardian as an agent. If that is true, Diallo may never play college ball. I think that also would make it an issue that is similar to the one we faced with Kanter when the NCAA deemed him a professional for eligibilty purposes.

The guardian as an agent was something that was based on a Facebook page and an internet search. Not part of the November 5th meeting with the Kansas Athletic Department and the NCAA according the KC Star. Don't believe everything you read on Facebook.
 
here is what i believe and know....diallo has shady handlers that could have put him in any school out there. they picked one that has a reputation and the NCAA has had its eye on.

but no red flags guys. everything is on the up and up.
 
The guardian as an agent was something that was based on a Facebook page and an internet search. Not part of the November 5th meeting with the Kansas Athletic Department and the NCAA according the KC Star. Don't believe everything you read on Facebook.

I honestly don't know WHAT to believe. I read that article. I read Self's comments. At this point, I don't know if anyone outside of the NCAA knows what the issues are.
 
I honestly don't know WHAT to believe. I read that article. I read Self's comments. At this point, I don't know if anyone outside of the NCAA knows what the issues are.

Preacher, don't know if you saw my post earlier but would like to get your thoughts on it. I frankly don't know the details of the case in any depth. Don't care really. What bugs me about this is the length of time it takes to get a ruling and the impact it has on the team and player. Yet another case where the NCAA drags its feet which has a direct outcome on competition and the parties involved. You have any idea why a ruling on an individual should take such a huge amount of time.
 
Self needs to shut up though. Because the NCAA should have them forfeit games and banned from a post season with Mclemore and Alexander situations.

Part of me wonders if the NCAA is making KU and Self sweat it out given what went on with Cliff last season. In light of the Cliff situation, I think they may want to declare Diallo ineligible in one sense (in another sense, it wouldn't be good at all for the NCAA), but they can't find anything at this moment that would make him ineligible, so they're buying time and making Self/KU sweat it out instead.
 
Using that language v NCAA must basically mean Self feels the kid wont play.

If he didn't think he would play before, I can just about guarantee he won't, now. Can't say that I blame him, but I probably wouldn't have gone this route until Diallo was officially ineligible.
 
The Diallo situation is almost identical to the Skal situation. Both from outside the US and both with guardians. We'll have to have to agree to disagree, but both with school issues. Skal gets cleared and Diallo's is being dragged out for no reason. The allegations in the KUAD's letter to the NCAA are comprehensive and damning. They mentioned at the half of the Duke/GT game how more and more universities are going after the NCAA publicly for their ineptness.
 
The Diallo situation is almost identical to the Skal situation. Both from outside the US and both with guardians. We'll have to have to agree to disagree, but both with school issues. Skal gets cleared and Diallo's is being dragged out for no reason. The allegations in the KUAD's letter to the NCAA are comprehensive and damning. They mentioned at the half of the Duke/GT game how more and more universities are going after the NCAA publicly for their ineptness.

ku fans will never stop spinning. its pretty impressive really. sad and demented though.
 
Preacher, don't know if you saw my post earlier but would like to get your thoughts on it. I frankly don't know the details of the case in any depth. Don't care really. What bugs me about this is the length of time it takes to get a ruling and the impact it has on the team and player. Yet another case where the NCAA drags its feet which has a direct outcome on competition and the parties involved. You have any idea why a ruling on an individual should take such a huge amount of time.

There are realistically 2 possible reasons, IMO. 1) Maybe they have basically ruled Diallo ineligible and KU is fighting that decision. 2) The NCAA is completely incompetent.

You made some excellent points in your earlier post. This situation should NOT drag on unless the NCAA has ruled him ineligible and KU is fighting it.

Incompetence is all too common in our country when dealing with organizations and businesses. I am currently paying off one of my daughter's student loans. The loan is with Navient and, according to their instructions, I am to write a letter and include it WITH the payment if I want to pay extra and have it all go to the one loan. I've paid extra THREE times and all three times, Navient took my payment and divided it between two loans! Seriously, to work for Navient, do you have to be incompetent?

My example of Navient could very well be what is going on at the NCAA. I suspect that they simply aren't hiring competent people to do the work. One would think that with high profile cases, the NCAA would do whatever it took to get the cases resolved in a timely manner. But, then I think of the Shabazz Muhammed case and I think that the NCAA is hiring people who majored in AFAM at UNC.
 
I think Kanter would've been eligible at Duke or UNCheat. He could've paid restitution and been declared eligible, had it not been a vendetta against Coach Cal...IMO.


You're probably right there. They definitely weren't going to do any favors for Cal. Lol. They are so inconsistent that you may be right.
 
There are realistically 2 possible reasons, IMO. 1) Maybe they have basically ruled Diallo ineligible and KU is fighting that decision. 2) The NCAA is completely incompetent.

You made some excellent points in your earlier post. This situation should NOT drag on unless the NCAA has ruled him ineligible and KU is fighting it.

Incompetence is all too common in our country when dealing with organizations and businesses. I am currently paying off one of my daughter's student loans. The loan is with Navient and, according to their instructions, I am to write a letter and include it WITH the payment if I want to pay extra and have it all go to the one loan. I've paid extra THREE times and all three times, Navient took my payment and divided it between two loans! Seriously, to work for Navient, do you have to be incompetent?

My example of Navient could very well be what is going on at the NCAA. I suspect that they simply aren't hiring competent people to do the work. One would think that with high profile cases, the NCAA would do whatever it took to get the cases resolved in a timely manner. But, then I think of the Shabazz Muhammed case and I think that the NCAA is hiring people who majored in AFAM at UNC.

That as good an assessment as I've heard. Just seems to be getting higher profile and more common. Then I wonder about these kids we don't hear about. How many others are there? I'm guessing nobody gives a rats ass about them.
 
And I understand the joke...but the real joke is that UNC is still playing basketball and UL is still recruiting players. How can the NCAA turn a blind eye to Hookers or not being a student-athlete but want to see the homework that a 6th grader turned in almost a decade ago in Mali.

That is something that no one can answer.
 
The Diallo situation is almost identical to the Skal situation. Both from outside the US and both with guardians. We'll have to have to agree to disagree, but both with school issues. Skal gets cleared and Diallo's is being dragged out for no reason. The allegations in the KUAD's letter to the NCAA are comprehensive and damning. They mentioned at the half of the Duke/GT game how more and more universities are going after the NCAA publicly for their ineptness.

I don't think Skal's sixth grade records were touched or mentioned.
 
a lot of stuff that is out there are things made up by ku fans to make them feel better about this whole thing. at this point they are on a PR crusade, trying to shame the NCAA in giving up rather than doing an actual investigation.
 
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The Diallo situation is almost identical to the Skal situation. Both from outside the US and both with guardians. We'll have to have to agree to disagree, but both with school issues. Skal gets cleared and Diallo's is being dragged out for no reason. The allegations in the KUAD's letter to the NCAA are comprehensive and damning. They mentioned at the half of the Duke/GT game how more and more universities are going after the NCAA publicly for their ineptness.

Skal's 'school issues' were related to the Tennessee High School athletic association ruling him ineligible to play basketball related to him transferring schools. It had nothing to do with academics.

Diallo's issues seem to be rooted in academics, perhaps, does anyone really know for sure?

FWIW, if the issue is indeed Diallo's academics, is there any precedent for him to use the classes he's taken at Kansas in the 1st semester as credit toward his athletic eligibility (i.e. any shortfall during high school can be addressed with the classes he's taken in college.) allowing him to be eligible for the 2nd semester?

I don't know why the NCAA wouldn't allow such a solution if that was possible (and would be supportive of this), although I don't know of such an example. Of course maybe it's not just an academic issue with Diallo.
 
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