Its called sophistry and its no virtue. Its dishonest communication at its worst. Knowing when to steer your losing argument towards a more favorable tangent.
Bilas is becoming a parody
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Its called sophistry and its no virtue. Its dishonest communication at its worst. Knowing when to steer your losing argument towards a more favorable tangent.
If Matt Jones doesn't challenge him on this then he is just as big of a douche.
I guess somewhere between everything and nothing. Still trying to understand the issue.
EXACTLY, I dont even think he read the article. Sankey made a positive comment about UK's assisting players come back to earn their degree after they leave. He was giving Cal kudos which I suppose in and of itself is offensive to Bilas and his ilk. Would a similar comment about Mike White by Sankey have been "tweet-worthy?" Frank Martin? No, Bilas just glanced at the headline and rushed to tweet it out an anti-UK jab to try to gain Twitter followers and remain relevant in the off-season.
LOL, Matt Jones cares about Matt Jones. He's BBN when it's convenient and beneficial to Matt Jones.
This this this! A guy paid by the UNC PR firm is talking about a conflict of interest? Really?
They have nothing to do with each other. Bilas is attempting to use his pulpit to cast doubt on Sankey as Sankey is the head of the COI reviewing UNC's case. UNC tried this last week by having Crowder's attorney ask Sankey to recuse himself from the UNC case. Seems Bilas is in lock step with UNC.
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Jays niece graduated, no more love for UK, instead always letting people know the ACC is some kind of utopia or something.
Bilas is playing the role of ULTIMATE SUCKUP to his ESPN boss. He has lost all credibility on not only this issue, but ANY issue from this point forward. He has become another in a long line of ACC(UNC,Duke) defenders, apologists and slurpers.
UNC has committed the biggest case of academic fraud in NCAA history!!! How a Duke educated lawyer could not admit this is proof positive that he is nothing more than the "Bagdad Bob" of this whole case!!
UNC has committed the biggest case of academic fraud in NCAA history!!! How a Duke educated lawyer could not admit this is proof positive that he is nothing more than the "Bagdad Bob" of this whole case!!
Switch the name North Carolina to Western Carolina and see how hard they would fight to defend it and drag this out?
Sick of the Duke and UNC corruption getting a pass. If USC, Penn State and Ohio State football can get slammed then why are these two programs sacred cows?
Sick of the Duke and UNC corruption getting a pass. If USC, Penn State and Ohio State football can get slammed then why are these two programs sacred cows?
Sooooo per Jay - let's see - The SEC will be biased and show a conflict of interest. Hmmm. because - you know - academics...
I have an IDEA!!! Let's just let UNC self monitor (as we have been the last four seasons while we delay and deflect) - That's worked in the past (wink wink) and Roy says it's just some "junk" people talk about, and he has his integrity to defend. AND for sure if UNCheat self monitors - there's no chance of a conflict of interest(ESPN/UNCheat)!
Jay just committed the highest form of whore-dom. A Douche U grad being paid defending UNCheat in a scandal that is clear to anyone not residing on tobacco road or the NCAA.
Jay - Pitino needs your help with some recruits - so grab yo biatches and get on it.
I have an IDEA!!! Let's just let UNC self monitor (as we have been the last four seasons while we delay and deflect) - That's worked in the past (wink wink) and Roy says it's just some "junk" people talk about, and he has his integrity to defend. AND for sure if UNCheat self monitors - there's no chance of a conflict of interest(ESPN/UNCheat)!
Jay just committed the highest form of whore-dom. A Douche U grad being paid defending UNCheat in a scandal that is clear to anyone not residing on tobacco road or the NCAA.
Jay - Pitino needs your help with some recruits - so grab yo biatches and get on it.
Biased Bilas may have book smarts but he has demonstrated over and over that he has no common sense.
For years the SEC schools used to get pounded by the NCAA and the Committee on Infractions. Admittedly, that was because the SEC football schools loved to cheat. But there was never any outrage over who the head of the COI was at the time. If the school cheated then they had to pay for their crime.
UNC's time to pay the piper has come. And for that matter the entire ACC is making the SEC look like saints.
UNC's time to pay the piper has come. And for that matter the entire ACC is making the SEC look like saints.
Really doesn't have that much to do with being a lawyer. The host of a radio/TV show has the ability to make even a GREAT debater look foolish by virtue of the fact that the host is in total control of the debate. The person with the last word has the power and the host ALWAYS has the last word.
He failed to mention that Greg Sankey just recused himself from the Ole Miss case because they're a member university within his conference.
There is no conflict of interest between Sankey and UNC. The 2 literally have nothing to do with each other except he is presiding over their case, and they're scared.
There is no conflict of interest between Sankey and UNC. The 2 literally have nothing to do with each other except he is presiding over their case, and they're scared.
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Jay is just like the other talking heads. He likes to hear his own voice and don't ever let anyone challenge his 'knowledge.'
He has always been a huge suck up to all of his coach buddies.
He will blast the NCAA (and rightfully so) but defends to the end his coaching friends,i.e., Tubby, Ole Roy, Coach K...
He has always been a huge suck up to all of his coach buddies.
He will blast the NCAA (and rightfully so) but defends to the end his coaching friends,i.e., Tubby, Ole Roy, Coach K...
All I can figure is that Bilas is saying that by publicly speaking on the 30 for 30 in a way that defends or promotes UK, Swankey has revealed himself to be an advocate for the SEC or somehow interested in promoting the SEC. And he therefore should not stand in judgment of what an ACC member does.
if so, that's a crazy take.
First, Swankey is the Commissioner of the SEC. Of course he has an interest in SEC member schools. It should come as exactly no surprise that he'd comment on a story about UK in a way that he would not were it Oregon, Maryland or someone outside his league. Second, the way this works and has always worked is the NCAA has a body to decide these cases and they have to staff that body with representatives of member schools.
This is like someone saying that Bilas should not be a commenter on UK televised games because he played for Duke. It makes no sense.
if so, that's a crazy take.
First, Swankey is the Commissioner of the SEC. Of course he has an interest in SEC member schools. It should come as exactly no surprise that he'd comment on a story about UK in a way that he would not were it Oregon, Maryland or someone outside his league. Second, the way this works and has always worked is the NCAA has a body to decide these cases and they have to staff that body with representatives of member schools.
This is like someone saying that Bilas should not be a commenter on UK televised games because he played for Duke. It makes no sense.
On a side note, I like that Sankey is making academics a topic of conversation That has to make a lot of Holes' holes pucker. ![[smoke]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/smokin.r191677.gif "Cool [smoke]")
Sankey must go to make way for Bilas's preferred panel to investigate and issue "punishment" for the UNC fake classes scandal:
2 former North Carolina governors (1 from each major party, so it has the appearance of being bipartisan, of course)
Michael Jordan (the ceiling is the roof for this panel!)
Kenny Smith (unfortunately)
Tyler Hansbrough's mom (expert in providing benefits, if you know what I mean)
John Skipper (you can count on him to make the right decision.... for ratings and his alma mater)
2 former North Carolina governors (1 from each major party, so it has the appearance of being bipartisan, of course)
Michael Jordan (the ceiling is the roof for this panel!)
Kenny Smith (unfortunately)
Tyler Hansbrough's mom (expert in providing benefits, if you know what I mean)
John Skipper (you can count on him to make the right decision.... for ratings and his alma mater)
Paul Dee was the athletic director at Miami during the Nevin Shapiro scandal. He was also the chairman of the COI when USC got hammered over the Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo scandal. I don't remember Bilas or anyone else complaining about a conflict of interest about those cases.
This was Sankey's statement. I think Bilas is trolling...
"I haven't talked to Cal about it and (UK athletics director) Mitch Barnhart. I actually think the program missed what happens academically at Kentucky around men's basketball," Sankey said. "In fact, I know that's the case. Stories of young men coming back after they've had that professional opportunity and continuing to return to receive their education, those are real. ... They well support them academically, and they keep inviting them back to campus to continue to pursue their degree."
How was the Penn State Sandusky thing a NCAA issue and had anything to do with bylaws? They make it up as they go.
Funny how strict liability is turned off and on when it's convenient.
Funny how strict liability is turned off and on when it's convenient.
UNC fans are nuts. It's like a GD cult. I've shown internal emails, transcripts & provided former player testimony like McCants & they still refuse to believe it. Unreal.
Reminds me of the leaks that came out last summer where people refused to acknowledge the content.
Reminds me of the leaks that came out last summer where people refused to acknowledge the content.
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Someone from penn state sued and won though. I'm not sure of the specifics, if you just google "penn state sueing NCAA" I'm sure you'll get plenty of hits.
This is why UNC fans are pushing the "no jurisdiction over academics" and "lawsuit" angle. And possibly why a resolution is taking so long. The NCAA could just be making absolutely sure they have all their ducks in a row before they act so they don't give UNC an opening like they did with Miami and Penn State sort of. (Although i think in the penn state case it really wasn't theirs to rule on)
That and UNC is not really cooperating.
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There is a huge UNC fan that works with me. He's a nice enough guy. And is actually from Carolina and graduated from UNC. I think he's more passionate than any sports fan I've ever met.
Before I really knew him that well I made the mistake of discussing this with another coworker within ear shot of him. Didn't know he was 5 feet behind me.
He was furious with me. He didn't resort to name calling or personal attacks or anything like that. But as he was listing every UNC counter and basically the company lines we've all been seeing from UNC fans on these boards for the last 4 or 5 years now, his voice kept getting louder and louder and eventually a vein started to show on the side of his head.
I honestly just felt bad about it because though I have an opinion on this, it's really not worth placing another indivual, especially someone that I had nothing against, in that much stress.
I've never seen someone argue that vehemently for a sports team without getting violent or derisive.
That's what blows my mind. Institutions are so terrified of not cooperating with the NCAA that they self report butt dials, give in to petty stuff like Cal's 500 win ball, and all kinds of other small meaningless things. If UNC gets away with this, it will absolutely neuter the NCAA.
I can tell you why Bilas is acting this way, because money talk & as long as he take up for North Carolina that money
& his job will keep on trucking.
It also promotes 30 for 30, which is owned by his employer. I think that's probably why he used this particular hook to beat his dumb narrative that the NCAA should not punish UNC.
FYI - the fact that Bilas spoke at a conference put on by Cadwalder (and co-presented by his law firm) is not really a smoking gun. Law firms host topical conferences all the time and invite a variety of guest panelists. That doesn't mean that the panelists are in with all the firm's clients. Now, maybe those firms (Cad and Bilas's) are tight, and he spends time talking with the Cadwalder attorneys for UNC, but mere speaking is just too tenuous.
Bilas having a conflict makes a whole lot more sense than Sankey.
Bilas has been looking for an angle (and a pathetic one I might add) ever since Cal humiliated him on national tv for being exactly what he is...a biased (Duke/ACC) analyst.
I see a lot of you are getting upset over this. The solution is pretty simple.
Have the NCAA publish a set of rules AND the consequences, in very straight forward simple language. You break rule #1, you will pay a price of fill in the blank.
No arguing over punishments.
Have the NCAA publish a set of rules AND the consequences, in very straight forward simple language. You break rule #1, you will pay a price of fill in the blank.
No arguing over punishments.
Never going to happen. It makes too much sense.
They're still fighting to keep the Carolina Way alive. Too bad we all know what it's really about.
Oh, go look at the moderator for the same speech. It's none other than KENNETH WAINSTEIN. Yeah, that same Kenneth Wainstein. And the firm is a law firm. The same firm unc hired for the investigation.
Pretty sure THAT is conflict of interest.
