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Barker's best cant be as bad as Towles worst.

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I understand the O-Line is horrible. MANY Air Raid teams have horrible offensive lines its one of the things that the air raid helps to correct (in theory)

That being said a change HAS to be made at the QB spot.

I don't believe for one second that Barker is worse than what we are seeing on the field from Towles. If he is we are in serious trouble.
 
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I keep hearing we are a air raid offense but have yet to see any evidence to prove this. Air raids tend to use screens, slants, etc. I really have no idea what our offensive identity is
 
Yeah, those guys caught 3 or 4 passes (at least) they had no business catching. Meanwhile, our guys couldn't catch anything. That was pretty much the difference, all of our other warts notwithstanding
 
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LOL at the idea of Towles throwing a perfect pass. When? The one he underthrew to Baker? Or the other half a dozen he throws 5 feet too high? Or is it the ones he overthrows by 15 feet?

Towles is CLEARLY not SEC level. The guy has no accuracy whatsoever.

I don't care how great he's looked in practice, he's looked awful in game when the bullets are flying.

If Barkers's best performance in practice is anything close to as bad as Towles has looked in game I wouldn't make a change either...we are in for a stinker of a season.
 
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So putting Barker in would eliminate the 6 or 7 sacks our O-Line gave up last night?? Patrick is far from perfect but he's proven that he can be a capable QB. Nobody had a problem with him last week when he was making plays against South Carolina.
 
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Towles slow reads and holding the ball too long in the pockets as well as a slow first step to evade defenders is the reason for over half his sacks. Don't pin it all on the O line. Plus, defenses can bring an extra rusher or two when playing UK due to PT inaccurate throws.
 
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JPrickett32 said:
So putting Barker in would eliminate the 6 or 7 sacks our O-Line gave up last night?? Patrick is far from perfect but he's proven that he can be a capable QB. Nobody had a problem with him last week when he was making plays against South Carolina.
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Go back and look at the games from this year and last, especially those against UL and SEC opponents. In maybe 2 or 3 of those games can you honestly say Towels looks capable.
 
As usual, you guys hit on both sides of the target. The truth is Patrick is an average QB. He does a lot of things well (decision making, reads, organizing offense.) However, he has one glaring deficiency and that's consistancy in his accuracy. The fact is, he's never going to be Aaron Rodgers with his accuracy. However, giving him no protection, gives him no chance. Take a guy who struggles with accuracy and ask him to throw on the run or under duress and it's a recipe for disaster.

That being said, our staff has to decide If the offensive line can be corrected THIS season. If not, then another guy who throws with more accuracy but doesn't do the other things as well may be the choice. It's to early to throw the towel on Pat but the next two weeks will be critical for him to keep his job. A lot of it will have to do with protection but Pat just has to be more accurate regardless.
 
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Aces Fan said:
Go back and look at the games from this year and last, especially those against UL and SEC opponents. In maybe 2 or 3 of those games can you honestly say Towels looks capable.
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Look at the Florida and Miss St. games last year. He was also pretty good against Georgia even though we got spanked. Patrick has a problem a lot of QBs have and that is consistency. He has shown he is capable against SEC defenses. He just hasn't done it on a consistent enough basis.
 
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JPrickett32 said:
Look at the Florida and Miss St. games last year. He was also pretty good against Georgia even though we got spanked. Patrick has a problem a lot of QBs have and that is consistency. He has shown he is capable against SEC defenses. He just hasn't done it on a consistent enough basis.
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Against UGA he was 16-31 for 139 with 1 TD and 1 INT. He ran for some good yardage but throwing the ball he was not good. I will say he played well against Florida(still had 3 picks) and Miss St last year but there are definitely more clunkers than good games.
 
Jared1985 said:
I understand the O-Line is horrible. MANY Air Raid teams have horrible offensive lines its one of the things that the air raid helps to correct (in theory)

That being said a change HAS to be made at the QB spot.

I don't believe for one second that Barker is worse than what we are seeing on the field from Towles. If he is we are in serious trouble.
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Okay then. Can you understand that our coaches know more about this than you? Or is that now up for questioning too?
 
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We are gonna be forced to be a run first team this year. That makes for a few huge problems.

1. This team is NOT built to be a run/play action teams.

2. Teams are gonna load the box. That means we will HAVE to pass protect long enough to give Towles long enough to hit the deep man.

3. Our O-Line is horrendous.

All that being said, if Towles can't keep from either underthrowing or overthrowing.....

See where this is going?

Maybe with Barker we can at the very least get some quick completions, which will take some pressure off the running game. If he's hes accurate enough.

If he's any more inaccurate than Towles he doesn't need to be playing division 1 football.
 
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LOL your right Blue Decade. Football coaches can never be wrong. its never once happened.

I mean there was NEVER a SEC championship winning coach who would have been stupid enough to start Billy Jack Haskins over Tim Couch.....right?
 
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UKBrassowTipIN said:
Ryan Mossakowski is awesome..so awesome Lamar wants him
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I STILL think he would have done better than Newton . Honestly . I don't think Morgan Newton could have played at Lamar . So don't act like we were wrong to want to see what Mossakowski could do . I guess you were happy with Morgan Newton results . Lol
 
Yea no kidding. Moss throws for 500 yards on the same night Morgan sacks himself and almost loses to Western.
 
bryan211999 said:
I keep hearing we are a air raid offense but have yet to see any evidence to prove this. Air raids tend to use screens, slants, etc. I really have no idea what our offensive identity is
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It's just part of the marketing campaign with the air raid siren Mitch had installed in CWS.
 
I dont know what the coaches know but I know what i have seen so far this year out of our qb position. Ive seen a very nervous looking quarterback who seems to have problems with his footwork, his accuracy and the amount of time he takes making plays resulting in overthrows, interceptions and loss of field position due to not throwing the ball away when nothing is there. Sure there were dropped passes and poor offensive line play but the sign of a great quarterback is adapting to these situations and making a play when the opportunity presents itself and throwing the ball away to avoid a loss of yardage, i.e. taking a 12 yard loss on 3rd and 10 on our final drive. QB's get all the glory when things go well and all the hell when they don't. We didnt win yesterday because of several factors, it's just disappointing to waste an opportunity to beat a team we havent beaten on next to 30 years.
 
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SmokinGun9 said:
I dont know what the coaches know but I know what i have seen so far this year out of our qb position. Ive seen a very nervous looking quarterback who seems to have problems with his footwork, his accuracy and the amount of time he takes making plays resulting in overthrows, interceptions and loss of field position due to not throwing the ball away when nothing is there. Sure there were dropped passes and poor offensive line play but the sign of a great quarterback is adapting to these situations and making a play when the opportunity presents itself and throwing the ball away to avoid a loss of yardage, i.e. taking a 12 yard loss on 3rd and 10 on our final drive. QB's get all the glory when things go well and all the hell when they don't. We didnt win yesterday because of several factors, it's just disappointing to waste an opportunity to beat a team we havent beaten on next to 30 years.
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The backup QB is always the fan's favorite player when the offense sputters.

If Coach Stoops and Dawson thought that Barker was the better option, do you not think they would give him playing time? These coaches livelihoods depend on the success of the offense. If Barker is the answer to the problems, he will get in when the staff thinks he's ready.

The thing I definitely don't want to see is the coaches put Barker in and then he gets mauled because of our sub-par Left Tackle. Causing him to lose what confidence he has as a Freshmen.
 
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Aces Fan said:
Against UGA he was 16-31 for 139 with 1 TD and 1 INT. He ran for some good yardage but throwing the ball he was not good. I will say he played well against Florida(still had 3 picks) and Miss St last year but there are definitely more clunkers than good games.
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That's fair. He does struggle with accuracy and misses high on a lot of passes. I have to trust the staff though. I'm not sure they want Barker's first game experience coming when a defense is teeing off on your offensive line and almost taking your starter's head off on a number of occasions.
 
When Stoops makes the change or when we end up with 5 or less wins...what are all of the "pro-Pat" going to say?
Blame the coach, blame the line, blame everyone but the QB?
 
bryan211999 said:
I keep hearing we are a air raid offense but have yet to see any evidence to prove this. Air raids tend to use screens, slants, etc. I really have no idea what our offensive identity is
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The commentater at halftime said this....He said "Kentucky needs to decide what they do....Is it air raid or running game? What is their offensive identity?" That's a good question.
 
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Jared1985 said:
LOL your right Blue Decade. Football coaches can never be wrong. its never once happened.

I mean there was NEVER a SEC championship winning coach who would have been stupid enough to start Billy Jack Haskins over Tim Couch.....right?
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First, nobody said football coaches can never be wrong. That's nonsense. You are just bloviating since you don't have a valid point to make. Bill Curry's decision to play Billy Jack Haskins ahead of Tim Couch was part of the reason Curry was fired. It has been widely reported, and there is no doubt that CM Newton knew Couch would transfer if Curry wasn't sacked. So are you advocating that Stoops should be sacked? If you aren't, then you have gotten lost in your own confused rhetoric. And if you are, then defend it. No Kentucky coach in 30 years has recruited like Stoops is recruiting. Looking at the high quality of Stoops' recruiting, any reasonable person will want to give him time to develop these players. The people who question Stoops' development of Towles never mention Dupree, Za'Darius, Forrest, Lewis, Stamps, Boom, Badet, Juice, Toth, all of whom have become great players on Stoops' watch. Even Jo Jo, Henderson, and Huguenin have made enormous strides. Stoops is getting it done. Get on the bus with Stoops or else cheer for UL. Oh, wait.
 
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JPrickett32 said:
So putting Barker in would eliminate the 6 or 7 sacks our O-Line gave up last night?? Patrick is far from perfect but he's proven that he can be a capable QB. Nobody had a problem with him last week when he was making plays against South Carolina.
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Anyone with two eyes can see the issues with the OL. Barker will take sacks as well. I think the issue that most (myself included) have with Towles is that he doesn't appear capable of making what should be routine tosses for an SEC caliber QB when the protection does hold. His accuracy and touch is not good for the most part and its not even debatable. Is Barker more capable? I'm not sure, but I'd like to find out.
 
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JPrickett32 said:
Nobody had a problem with him last week when he was making plays against South Carolina.
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Actually, I had a problem with him after the SC win. I didn't think he was great. I don't think he is the reason we won the game against SC. I saw the same QB that I saw against UF.
 
Because other schools backed off his recruiting when he hurt his shoulder and we thought he would recover from his shoulder injury.
 
Blueaz said:
When Stoops makes the change or when we end up with 5 or less wins...what are all of the "pro-Pat" going to say?
Blame the coach, blame the line, blame everyone but the QB?
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I'm not a "pro-Pat" or pro anyone...I'm a pro-team guy.
I know if a better option existed, it would be used. I know if fans knew as much as they thought they knew, they would all be getting paid to coach.

What would the "anti-Pat" guys say if the change was made and that option proved to be not as effective as Pat has been?
 
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