Archie Goodwin might just end up being really good at this basketball thing

[crawfords corner]

Granted, this was against a very bad 76ers teams(6ers won the game btw). In for the 3rd game in a row for Brandon Knight he scored 26 on 11-15 from the field and 3-5 from the line. He also grabbed 6 rebounds and recorded 6 assists in only 29 minutes. A small sample size I know, but the Suns did pick up his club option for next year at 2.09 million.

That's an average of 23.3 points, 3.3 boards, and 4 assists in 6.3

 

[WildMoon]

They might use him for trade to get some pieces to upgrade other areas.

 

[BigKari]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

 

[NCukcat62]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

Everyone needed a scapegoat. People failed to blame those lame ducks, harrow and wiltjer. Archie had to do it all.

 

[mj2k10]

They might use him for trade to get some pieces to upgrade other areas.

That would be the best thing for him.

And I think Terrence Jones needs out of Houston. The Rockets have done all kinds of showy things in the draft, some smart, some not, but that organization shows 0 interest in developing drafted players. They view their draft picks as chips in a poker game more than players who they could build up.

Jones and Goodwin need shots to show what they can really do, then sink or swim.

 

[catmandew]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

This is probably one of the most blatantly racist posts that I've read in awhile.

 

[stenchymouse]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

Are you serious?

Nobody "disliked" Goodwin.

Right now, Cal is preaching about making "winning plays"...

Well, Archie DID NOT MAKE WINNING PLAYS and THAT'S why UK fans didn't embrace him quite as much as some others.

Using the race card in this discussion??

Wow!

 

[BlueCat43]

Are you serious?

Nobody "disliked" Goodwin.

Right now, Cal is preaching about making "winning plays"...

Well, Archie DID NOT MAKE WINNING PLAYS and THAT'S why UK fans didn't embrace him quite as much as some others.

Using the race card in this discussion??

Wow!

Not that it had anything to do with race, but some did dislike him as I know that my manager at work absolutely HATED him. Couldn't even bring himself to be happy when Archie made a good play. It made him angry. Again, it wasn't a racist thing though.

 

[stenchymouse]

Not that it had anything to do with race, but some did dislike him as I know that my manager at work absolutely HATED him. Couldn't even bring himself to be happy when Archie made a good play. It made him angry. Again, it wasn't a racist thing though.

Archie was just an immature player who drove the lane out of control many times.

It was frustrating because we lost a lot that season.

On any of the other teams, Cal would have probably had to bench him.

Very very talented player who COULD be a great pro if he'll make "winning plays" and not "selfish plays".

 

[KingOfBBN]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

One of the worst and most ignorant posts I've ever read and that's saying something when you're on rafters.

So these "rich white racists" (sounds like something someone that's been brainwashed to think) somehow are just "racist" towards Archie but not so much the other black guys that have dominated our roster?

I know the race baiters and liberal yups on TV like to claim whites are these "evil boogeymen just out to get blacks and are filled with hate" but that's pure garbage. I'd say you might want to examine yourself since you made it about race.

What a "shock."

 

[BlueCat43]

Archie was just an immature player who drove the lane out of control many times.

It was frustrating because we lost a lot that season.

On any of the other teams, Cal would have probably had to bench him.

Very very talented player who COULD be a great pro if he'll make "winning plays" and not "selfish plays".

Yes, very frustrating and you are right that he would not have played had the option been there. He needed more time to develop ala Willis.

 

[UKDUNK]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

There is a certain portion of our fanbase that seems to dislike players with a certain swag about them no matter what they do. Archie, Terrance Jones, Boogie, the Harrisons.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Are you serious?

Nobody "disliked" Goodwin.

Right now, Cal is preaching about making "winning plays"...

Well, Archie DID NOT MAKE WINNING PLAYS and THAT'S why UK fans didn't embrace him quite as much as some others.

Using the race card in this discussion??

Wow!

I would rather have had Archie(an NBA player) going to the rack in desperation that anyone else on that team.

 

[stenchymouse]

I would rather have had Archie(an NBA player) going to the rack in desperation that anyone else on that team.

Well it wasn't that he was going to the rack...

He was an amazingly athletic player who could get in the lane at will!

The problem was that he would just throw up crazy shots that had no chance to go in and never kicked the ball out to open shooters.

It was tough because that team lacked talent and too much was needed out of him because of a lack of options.

He was one of a few players that Cal has brought in that was SO focused on getting to the NBA that he didn't endear himself to BBN.

 

[IL Wildcat]

Everyone needed a scapegoat. People failed to blame those lame ducks, harrow and wiltjer. Archie had to do it all.

Yep, and the biggest reason of all seems to get lost in the shuffle as well- Noel's injury. There never would have been an NIT team if not for that injury.

 

[bigbluedon]

Well it wasn't that he was going to the rack...

He was an amazingly athletic player who could get in the lane at will!

The problem was that he would just throw up crazy shots that had no chance to go in and never kicked the ball out to open shooters.

It was tough because that team lacked talent and too much was needed out of him because of a lack of options.

He was one of a few players that Cal has brought in that was SO focused on getting to the NBA that he didn't endear himself to BBN.

Archie felt like he had to do it all because no one else on that team could. He was not trying to be selfish as you seem to think. He was a good player that would have been much better if there had been more depth on that team. Gracious sakes.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Also that 2013 team sucked and

Yep, and the biggest reason of all seems to get lost in the shuffle as well- Noel's injury. There never would have been an NIT team if not for that injury.

We wouldn't have been an NIT team but we were definitely getting sent him first weekend of the tourney. We weren't very good. We had no point guard.

 

[UK till Death]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

You're pure scum and a big part of what's wrong with this country.

 

[BostonCat2001]

You're pure scum and a big part of what's wrong with this country.

exactly right. being racist isnt whats wrong with the country. thats totally fine. the real problem is that some people calling others racist is the main issue. couldnt agree more.

archie got crushed by so many. kid was hated on like no one i have seen. even to this day, current players get labeled "goodwin 2.0". kid gave it his all each night on a very limited team.

 

[KingOfBBN]

^ His race had zero to do with anything. It's totally absurd. The reason Goodwin got criticized is because A) He made some of the dumbest decisions and played selfishly (maybe he had to) and was on the worst team Cal has ever had here, which highlights and maybe increases the scrutiny just because of how awful that whole year was.

But to suggest that it was racism is one of the dumbest posts and like the poster mentioned above, it's a huge issue in this country because a lot of you have been programmed to believe if you're critical of anyone who isn't white, you must be a racist because every non-white is off-limits. It's such a cop out and just furthers this garbage victim mentaity that so many are brainwashed believing.

 

[KYCAT78]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

Agreed with everything you said except the last sentence which I found to be nothing but conjecture and completely uncalled for. If you know these people may we conclude you identify with them?

 

[Blueathletics]

Archie:

-Wanted to win

-Played outta control

-Wanted to win

-Took bad shots

-Wanted to win

-Had ZERO supporting cast when Nerlens went down

-Wanted to win

-Ryan Harrow

-Wanted to win

-Was an explosive athlete

-Wanted to win

-Played like a freshman

-Wanted to win

-Needed to work on his shot and selection

-Played to win the only way he knew how

-Is now proving in the NBA what Cat fans knew he could do

-Was fearless

I LOVED the way Archie played! Yes he was out of control a lot but the guy knew he had to carry the load on that team and always played hard.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

^^ Nailed it.

Archie was probably the 2nd or 3rd most disliked player in the Cal era, and it's almost completely unfounded. He was the only player that year who wanted to win, and was able/willing to attack the hoop. As. A. Freshman.

Noel and Archie could have been scary in the tournament.

 

[YaySports]

Im a Nets fan and would love to somehow pick up a young Cat player whos jersey I could buy. And given the state of our team PT would be ample.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I don't think any of this had to do with race, but I wasn't in Kentucky during his time there.

It's a lot easier to see missed shots (Goodwin) than it is to see apprehension and enthusiasm (the rest of the team). He missed shots, and yes, took us out of the game at times.. and that's what people saw. He was the scapegoat for our struggles.

 

[Willy4UK]

Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

That took an unexpected turn....

Oranges are a very nutritious fruit. They have all kinds of vitamins, such as Vitamin C etc. which makes oranges good for your health. many countries eat and enjoy oranges. Oranges can be a bit sweet and at times can be a bit sour. it's the nature of fruits. But I've said it before and I'll say it again. People who don't like oranges are racist rich white people.

 

[KingOfBBN]

A lot of you are also forgetting how he lied to Cal about going pro. You guys remember that story?

 

[BigKari]

Reading comprehension is not a strong point for some posters on here. I didn't say all rich white people hated Archie. All I said was people that I PERSONALLY know (I'm talking 5 or so people here, and no one on this board) who hated Archie just so happened to be rich white and racist. Sorry that offended some of you, maybe it was just a coincidence lol.

 

[BigKari]

Agreed with everything you said except the last sentence which I found to be nothing but conjecture and completely uncalled for. If you know these people may we conclude you identify with them?

So if I know someone, I automatically identify with them? That sounds like conjecture to me smartass. Have you ever had a job? You've never been forced to spend time around someone you don't necessarily like or "identify" with? Yeah, I'm "rich" and white, but I'm not racist. I'm just a realist, I call it how I see it and racism exists whether you care to acknowledge it or not. I know white people who hang out with black people because they think it makes them look cool, and then behind closed doors you hear that same person trashing that race (and oftentimes other races) and call them racial slurs. It's honestly pretty sickening.

 

[KYCAT78]

So if I know someone, I automatically identify with them? That sounds like conjecture to me smartass. Have you ever had a job? You've never been forced to spend time around someone you don't necessarily like or "identify" with? Yeah, I'm "rich" and white, but I'm not racist. I'm just a realist, I call it how I see it and racism exists whether you care to acknowledge it or not. I know white people who hang out with black people because they think it makes them look cool, and then behind closed doors you hear that same person trashing that race (and oftentimes other races) and call them racial slurs. It's honestly pretty sickening.

Sure appears you are sitting atop the racism fence waiting to see which way you fall. You can call it like you see it and so can I. Have a good day.

 

[BostonCat2001]

people here are just too PC. cant handle real talk when it comes to racism. need more people to speak up against the political correct "its nothing to do with race" crowd.

 

[Supafuzz75]

This is his 3rd year in the NBA...might just end up being really good? What are you talking about? Never understood why anyone thought he was a bad basketball player. So many UK fans trash him and talk about how he was "selfish and uncoachable". Players like that do not last in the NBA. Look at a guy like Josh Selby, all the talent in the world and he played what? About 50 games in his NBA career? Said it before, I'll say it again, the people I know personally that disliked Archie are rich racist white people.

I didn't like him for half of the season.. And I was a broke white guy,, still am.. I'll soon have a shit load of money though and I like him.. 9/10 times the person yelling racist,, is in fact racist themselves.. You're the definition of a pure liberal..

 

[IL Wildcat]

Hey guys, let's leave the racist accusations out of this thing. And the name calling doesn't help anything, either.

 

[BigKari]

I didn't like him for half of the season.. And I was a broke white guy,, still am.. I'll soon have a shit load of money though and I like him.. 9/10 times the person yelling racist,, is in fact racist themselves.. You're the definition of a pure liberal..

Haha you're way off base, but I'd rather be called a pure liberal than a pure conservative. Also, I dont care if you think I'm racist for saying that I know racist people. I'm comfortable in my own skin.

 

[BigKari]

Hey guys, let's leave the racist accusations out of this thing. And the name calling doesn't help anything, either.

Kind of funny actually. I said I know racist people who didnt like Goodwin (just stated a fact). Didn't call anyone on this board racist. Now I'm being called racist by people on this board. Funny stuff.

 

[Supafuzz75]

Knew I was right,, lol..

 

[BigKari]

Knew I was right,, lol..

I bet you're never wrong supafuzz

 

[kats23]

Watch Archie at UK and watch Archie in the NBA. It's 2 totally different people. I did not think Archie would be successful in the NBA because he was very reckless with the ball here at UK and he did have an attitude problem. My thought was if that didn't change, he would be drafted over and shipped off. When I watch Archie now, I see a guy who is much more under control, not the immature kid I saw here.

With the one and done, we're not always going to get the very best of that player in just that one year. Either it's because of immaturity or because they just don't adjust to the college game as quickly in one year. I think most of the criticism of Archie at UK was fair and sure some people went over the top with it but he was a kid that arrived at UK wanting to be one and done from the start no matter what happened. He definitely is not one of my favorite kids to put on a UK uniform but I hope it works out well for the kid. Like someone said, he busted his tail here out on the floor and has never spoken ill of UK or Cal.

 

[BostonCat2001]

Watch Archie at UK and watch Archie in the NBA. It's 2 totally different people. I did not think Archie would be successful in the NBA because he was very reckless with the ball here at UK and he did have an attitude problem. My thought was if that didn't change, he would be drafted over and shipped off. When I watch Archie now, I see a guy who is much more under control, not the immature kid I saw here.

With the one and done, we're not always going to get the very best of that player in just that one year. Either it's because of immaturity or because they just don't adjust to the college game as quickly in one year. I think most of the criticism of Archie at UK was fair and sure some people went over the top with it but he was a kid that arrived at UK wanting to be one and done from the start no matter what happened. He definitely is not one of my favorite kids to put on a UK uniform but I hope it works out well for the kid. Like someone said, he busted his tail here out on the floor and has never spoken ill of UK or Cal.

so what you are saying...is that archie "developed" when he got to the NBA?
no way....i dont believe. all the NBA experts here say that the only place to get better is in college

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Archie was bashed at UK because too many times he drove to the basket, head down, and threw up a circus shot.

That being said i'm glad he's doing well in the NBA