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I am 57, so no. NAS overrated ? You are really killing your credibility here. Ice T, Busta Rymes, Dre (the rapper not producer), and several more on your list couldn't hold Kendrick's jock strap. Eric B was not lyrical (DJ), that would be Rakim. Throw in some Soulja Boy, Diddy and Rick Ross and your list would be ALMOST complete. Beastie Boys ? LOL.

Along with Kendrick Lamar, after the top 5, not any particular order :
Tupac
Jay Z
Biggie
Eminem
NAS
Lil Wayne
Kayne West
LL Cool J
And this is coming from someone who loved NWA, Beastie Boys, and listened to a lot of 50. I put a lot of your rankings in line with rappers like Jeezy, Too Short, J Cole, Future, Run DMC among many others, all good rappers, had very popular songs, just not elite. Doesn't mean they are bad, just a few rungs below elite guys.

Music is subjective. I assume rap is, as well.
 
I am 57, so no. NAS overrated ? You are really killing your credibility here. Ice T, Busta Rymes, Dre (the rapper not producer), and several more on your list couldn't hold Kendrick's jock strap. Eric B was not lyrical (DJ), that would be Rakim. Throw in some Soulja Boy, Diddy and Rick Ross and your list would be ALMOST complete. Beastie Boys ? LOL.

Along with Kendrick Lamar, after the top 5, not any particular order :
Tupac
Jay Z
Biggie
Eminem
NAS
Lil Wayne
Kayne West
LL Cool J
And this is coming from someone who loved NWA, Beastie Boys, and listened to a lot of 50. I put a lot of your rankings in line with rappers like Jeezy, Too Short, J Cole, Future, Run DMC among many others, all good rappers, had very popular songs, just not elite. Doesn't mean they are bad, just a few rungs below elite guys.
Too short is a badazz and should’ve been on my list. Nas and lil Wayne have very few raps that I enjoy
 
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He won't be remembered in 25 years. That guy is a loon. Snoop and Dre. They're royalty. Kendrick Lamar isn't.
This is an objectively silly comment. Kendrick has been popular for almost 15 years already, has won the third most Grammys among rappers, has dropped classic after classic especially Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City and To Pimp a Butterfly (arguably two of the greatest rap albums of all time), and literally just headlined a Super Bowl Halftime show. I can appreciate having fond thoughts of 90s rap since that was the best time for it, but completely discounting the best rapper of this generation is simply ludicrous.
 
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Truth be told, I didn’t like his performance at the Super Bowl. I think he’s decent, but Eazy E was a badazz rapper. Great voice and sound. I think he’s superior to KL.

You must be pretty young if you don’t have Snoop high on your list.

To me late 80s and all 90s rap is superior to today’s mumble rap.


My rankings or favorites
1. Ice Cube
2. Tupac
3. Biggie
3A-Jayz
4. OutKast
5. Snoop
5a. Public Enemy
6. EAZY
6a. DMX
7. Dre
8. Eminem
9. Cypress Hill
9a. Busta Rhymes
9c. Method Man
10. 50 cent
11. E-40
12. Eric B and Rakim
13. Ice T
14. Q-tip
15. Beastie boys


Over rated
1. Lil WAYNE
2. NAS
Do you often put that much thought into something no one gives a s*** about?
 
If you were younger you would know this is really good and would realize you actually like it.

In other words, our appreciation for music is often conditioned and not really our choice at all.
 
I've heard of Lamar but know nothing about him. I used AI to ask a few questions. He has 5 albums and sold a total of 10.2 million albums. I don't think he's as popular as people think.

On the other hand... The Rolling Stones have sold 250M albums worldwide. I feel like this is one of those things where people tell you something is popular when in fact, you don't know a single person who thinks that. LOL.
Are you really comparing sales of Kendrick, who released his first album just 13 years ago and has only five albums, to the Rolling Stones who have been around for six decades and have 31 studio albums, 39 live albums, and 28 compilation albums. Obviously that latter group will have a ton more sales.
 
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Are you really comparing sales of Kendrick, who released his first album just 13 years ago and has only five albums, to the Rolling Stones who have been around for six decades and have 31 studio albums, 39 live albums, and 28 compilation albums. Obviously that latter group will have a ton more sales.


Well that and nobody buys f*cking albums anymore
 
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And no one has offered up anything besides 'he's had a ton of streams', 'some review said it was great', 'you're too old to understand '. I'm honestly trying to understand. I'd like someone to tell me some objective reasons why they like his music more and feel it's better than nearly all other hip hop artists.
I'll give it a go. I'm not a Kendrick superfan, but I have physical copies of all his albums and to me it's quite obvious why he's probably the best rapper out there right now.

I'm 36, but I think I have an older school view of music. I almost exclusively listen to music as an album from start to finish. I hate the Spotify-cation of music where everything is playlist after playlist. I buy physical copies of albums on vinyl and listen to them in full.

I say that because one reason I really like Kendrick is because he still makes albums, not just collections of songs released together. He has five full studio albums and they're all incredibly cohesive projects with a few of them being concept albums that tell a fully developed story from front to back. Because of this, I can understand why removing individual songs and performing 90 seconds of them during a halftime show leaves some people questioning what's so good about Kendrick. He's best when you appreciate his full projects.

As a lyricist he's a great writer. His third album, DAMN, won a Pulitzer. If you go look at the winners of the Pulitzer Prize for Music it's basically all classical composer, pianists, opera singers, and then Kendrick. I think that's a pretty good indication of how complex and layered his music is. He doesn't waste a line when he writes. He'll sew lines together over the course of a song or album to set up a double or triple entendre that references things from earlier in the song, album, or from pop culture or current events.

From a pure rapping point of view he's also just a very skilled rapper. He delivers his lyrics with passion and emotion with great breath control. This is something where you probably have to really understand the genre to appreciate though. Skilled rapping really isn't easy. Throughout his albums he switches up flow, cadence, delivery styles, and plays different characters.

He's truly committed to making art and not just radio friendly music. But when he wants to, he can switch it up a bit and write a radio banger like Not Like Us that stands on its own and is still chock full of complex lyrics you need to listen to 100 times to fully appreciate.
 
I'll give it a go. I'm not a Kendrick superfan, but I have physical copies of all his albums and to me it's quite obvious why he's probably the best rapper out there right now.

I'm 36, but I think I have an older school view of music. I almost exclusively listen to music as an album from start to finish. I hate the Spotify-cation of music where everything is playlist after playlist. I buy physical copies of albums on vinyl and listen to them in full.

I say that because one reason I really like Kendrick is because he still makes albums, not just collections of songs released together. He has five full studio albums and they're all incredibly cohesive projects with a few of them being concept albums that tell a fully developed story from front to back. Because of this, I can understand why removing individual songs and performing 90 seconds of them during a halftime show leaves some people questioning what's so good about Kendrick. He's best when you appreciate his full projects.

As a lyricist he's a great writer. His third album, DAMN, won a Pulitzer. If you go look at the winners of the Pulitzer Prize for Music it's basically all classical composer, pianists, opera singers, and then Kendrick. I think that's a pretty good indication of how complex and layered his music is. He doesn't waste a line when he writes. He'll sew lines together over the course of a song or album to set up a double or triple entendre that references things from earlier in the song, album, or from pop culture or current events.

From a pure rapping point of view he's also just a very skilled rapper. He delivers his lyrics with passion and emotion with great breath control. This is something where you probably have to really understand the genre to appreciate though. Skilled rapping really isn't easy. Throughout his albums he switches up flow, cadence, delivery styles, and plays different characters.

He's truly committed to making art and not just radio friendly music. But when he wants to, he can switch it up a bit and write a radio banger like Not Like Us that stands on its own and is still chock full of complex lyrics you need to listen to 100 times to fully appreciate.
Appreciate the time to write that. His music is not my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean he isn't great at what he does.
 
I know quite a few 20 and 30’year-olds who are building vinyl collections.

As a soon to be 40 year old building out a vinyl collection, it isn't remotely close to what it was even 25 years ago. As soon as people could buy singles on iTunes, it all went south from there. It's the reason streaming figures are used now.

Sure, people still buy full albums (I will for my favorite artists), but the days of even 100k album sales in a release week are far gone for the majority of musicians.
 
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Are you really comparing sales of Kendrick, who released his first album just 13 years ago and has only five albums, to the Rolling Stones who have been around for six decades and have 31 studio albums, 39 live albums, and 28 compilation albums. Obviously that latter group will have a ton more sales.
Take everything hmt says with a grain of salt... this is what he said about Taylor Swift yesterday...
"but she just has an insanely loyal base. Outside her base she has very little appeal." Guy is a clown
 
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