A return of the platoon
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I loved the platoon and I believe Cal did too, but he won't do it. It hurt recruiting too much.
I wish that wasn't the case because UK was racking when they were platooning.
I wish that wasn't the case because UK was racking when they were platooning.
I liked it. Thought it worked well. In theory it shouldn't have hurt us in recruiting. Others schools found a way to use it negatively and it hurt us. Now we can still use ten guys without doing it platoon style.
Man, it REALLY hurt our recruiting. We had to settle for a measly #2 ranked class that year.. Oh, not to mention that class ranking from espn didn't reflect us signing this guy named Jamal Murray since they don't factor in international player values. Poor us.
The platoon is basically back, Cal is just gonna repackage & disguise it. No way we only have a 7-8 man rotation with all the guys we may potentially have (if HD & Bamba join).
Blue Platoon
Green
Diallo
Knox
Washington
Bamba
White Platoon
Alexander
Baker
Vanderbilt
Gabriel
Richards/SKJ
I like it.. I would possibly swap Washington with Vanderbilt so the white Platoon would have another decent shooter to go along with Baker to help space the floor
Green
Diallo
Knox
Washington
Bamba
White Platoon
Alexander
Baker
Vanderbilt
Gabriel
Richards/SKJ
I like it.. I would possibly swap Washington with Vanderbilt so the white Platoon would have another decent shooter to go along with Baker to help space the floor
I think we should platoon. Can't argue against 38 straight wins. KAT, WCS, Lyles, Booker, all drafted high after platooning. I think it was more of a coincidence that we didn't have our best recruiting class than teams using platooning against us.
Green
Diallo/Johnson
Knox
PJ
Bamba
I like PJ with this first group because he's the one PHYSICAL guy on our roster. Doesn't mind doing the dirty work. 1st group could use someone like that with some meat on their bones.
Shai
Baker
Vanderbilt
Gabriel
SKJ/Richards
Green
Diallo/Johnson
Knox
PJ
Bamba
I like PJ with this first group because he's the one PHYSICAL guy on our roster. Doesn't mind doing the dirty work. 1st group could use someone like that with some meat on their bones.
Shai
Baker
Vanderbilt
Gabriel
SKJ/Richards
What I find amazing is how do you lose your top 8 players from a 32 win team that was 1 shot away from a final 4 and somehow find yourself a deeper team the following year where a platoon system is actually possible.. Only Cal could pull that off.. just incredible job by the entire coaching staff
Yea, he also said he wouldn't/ didn't like the player transfer rules but he offered Cam Johnson...
There would be too much talent not to platoon if Bamba and Diallo are both going to be here. Otherwise Cal can (and probably should) make it work without doing it.
I think he shuffles guys in and out a lot and plays 9-10 guys. No wholesale 5 man squad changeouts and he'll never use the p-word again. He's just going to have a deep team and play a lot of guys.
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This is starting to look more like battalions than platoons.
If I'm an elite recruit I would prefer playing on a loaded team. You're definitely going to win and be in the hunt for a national championship and you're not going to have to carry the load night in and night out. That should be appealing to a lot of elite guys. Plus you go into the NBA already knowing how to adjust playing with equal or better talent. I don't think Cal does the 5 in, 5 out rotation though.
if diallo comes back or we get johnson and land bamba. lots of guys are going to play, but some of the folks like baker just are not going to play that much or at all.
The only thing that would hurt recruiting is the lies other schools contrived.
I don't think Cal will platoon again, but I would be fine with it.
He will likely play 9 guys like this past season with 6-7 getting big minutes.
Starters
G Green
G Diallo
F Knox
F Bamba
F Richards
Key Reserves
F Vanderbilt
F Washington
F Gabriel
G Gilgeous-Alexander
Bench
F Killeya-Jones
F Wynyard
G Baker
He will likely play 9 guys like this past season with 6-7 getting big minutes.
Starters
G Green
G Diallo
F Knox
F Bamba
F Richards
Key Reserves
F Vanderbilt
F Washington
F Gabriel
G Gilgeous-Alexander
Bench
F Killeya-Jones
F Wynyard
G Baker
More a 96 style deep rotation than platoons.
Almost the same thing in all practical effect except for the downside of some guys not playing together but a little more subtle from a marketing standpoint.
Almost the same thing in all practical effect except for the downside of some guys not playing together but a little more subtle from a marketing standpoint.
We were absolutely rolling with the platoons in 2015 until Poythress went down and it sort of disrupted the rythym of things (and caused our defensive brilliance to take a bit of a step back).
Advantages of platooning: resolves all PT issues (guys know exactly when and how much they will play), it allows everyone to play at maximum effort for short bursts, develops continuity and familiarity within each of the platoons, creates competition between the two platoons to see who can beat the other team by more, and eliminates foul trouble concerns.
Disadvantages of platooning: there is no way to justify guys like Dakari Johnson and Marcus Lee getting equal time to Karl Towns, deciding who plays at crunch time in a close game (when 2nd platoon is scheduled to finish the game), and it can be used against us in recruiting (although I would argue it didn't really turn out that bad for us last time).
Advantages of platooning: resolves all PT issues (guys know exactly when and how much they will play), it allows everyone to play at maximum effort for short bursts, develops continuity and familiarity within each of the platoons, creates competition between the two platoons to see who can beat the other team by more, and eliminates foul trouble concerns.
Disadvantages of platooning: there is no way to justify guys like Dakari Johnson and Marcus Lee getting equal time to Karl Towns, deciding who plays at crunch time in a close game (when 2nd platoon is scheduled to finish the game), and it can be used against us in recruiting (although I would argue it didn't really turn out that bad for us last time).
It won't be called platoon but have the same impact as wave after wave of fresh bodies hit the court.
In your list of disadvantages you make the common mistake made by many that platoons necessarily means playing equal time. It doesn't.
For example instead of a platoon playing 5 minutes & 5 minutes, it could easily be set up to play one team 6 minutes and the other 4 etc. Beyond that you don't have to play straight platoons the entire game. One could do it say the first 30 minutes of the game and then the last 10 minutes mix and match based on matchups and who played the best in the game. In 2015, when UK was playing platoons most times the other team was completely outclassed, demoralized and beat by the 30 minute mark anyway.
When done correctly, platoons is a way of achieving higher levels of effectiveness and efficiency than can be physically done using standard substitution patterns. The major issue is having enough depth, and the right depth in key positions. For example in 2015 it couldn't be done without having two elite college point guards available in Andrew Harrison and Tyler Ulis.
But assuming that the right talent (both in terms of depth and balance) is in place and they have the right mindset (i.e. a team-first and selfless attitude), then it would be negligent to NOT use platoons. 2015 was the perfect opportunity to use platoons (even after Alex Poythress went down with injury) and it was a major mistake IMO to go away from it late in the year and it ended up costing UK from winning a title.
Whether next year's team is a candidate for platoons, I don't know.
Cal could do it the first 8-10 minutes of both halves, then play his best 6 or 7 the rest of the half.
That way players 8-10 get 8-10 minutes a game and the best 1-7 get plenty of minutes.
That way players 8-10 get 8-10 minutes a game and the best 1-7 get plenty of minutes.
I guess you didn't hear Cal say it then? Does that change your tune now that you understand it came from Cal?
Also, pay attention, the 15 class may have been 2nd ranked, but we had very little quality depth, especially in the front court and weost in the 2nd round.
What does WEOST mean? What language is that? Maybe your sub human IQ caused you to misinterpret my post. Cal says some things he does not mean. Get it snowflake?
I don't care if coach calls it thing 1 and thing 2, if we crush people like we did when we were platooning, I don't care, we got some ass whoopings to hand out regardless
Oh, we gonna whoop A LOT of ass. We're gonna win so much, we gonna get tired of winning. Have you seen our frontcourt? It's HUGE. The best.I don't care if coach calls it thing 1 and thing 2, if we crush people like we did when we were platooning, I don't care, we got some ass whoopings to hand out regardless
The Platoon idea was brilliant. Cal should have got votes for the HOF on that idea alone. If you have the depth of talent for the system, then the advantages seem to severely outweigh disadvantages. Plus, platooning tends to produce great looking per minute stats for one-and done hopefuls - so I don't get why that group wouldn't be down with it.
Because Cal himself said no more, and for Cal to say that in a definitive manner means there's a good reason.
1. Cal likes short rotations and always has. He couldn't stop himself from shortening the rotation at the end of '15.
2. It DID hurt our recruiting. That's just a fact.
There will be no platoons. This is just a normal situation where guys were recruited over. If SKJ wants to be here, he better get to work. He's not going to be given playing time "just because" we need two rosters for a platoon.
The term "being recruited over" must be a millennial thing. If you aren't doing the job, Cal will find someone who will, dont matter if we are platooning or not. Adapt & overcome, or get out of the way. This train ain't slowing down for anyone. We will have a 9-10 man rotation so call it whatever you like.
What? That's what being recruited over means. And furthermore if a coach is not recruiting over his roster (if able) he's not really doing his job. Cal is doing his job. Millennial thing? That's a college basketball thing.
Yeah, i mean that one year we only had the #2 recruiting class. It killed us.
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I don't think so. But I respect your opinion, so tell me what you think the disadvantages are and
I’ll see which I agree with and whether they outweigh what I perceive as the advantages.
Oh, we got us a keyboard tough guy here.
I'm posting from a phone jackass, it fat fingered it. Are you a 5 year old? I think you know what I meant. Also, cracking on someone's grammar is the ole tell tale sign that you have nothing else of value to say.
Also, no, Cal doesn't say shit he doesn't mean, he is very calculated with his comments, especially in the media. What kind of an idiotic response is that? Cal meant every word he said when he stated that he would never platoon again. It ain't happening.
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