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A return of the platoon

Cal doesn't want to platoon for two reasons as I said. He wants shorter rotations. As little as 6 if possible, and it hurt us on the recruiting trail.

I'm just going by the reality of what's going on.

He does prefer shorter rotations, but I think that's with the idea that you do so by building a core group that really gets comfortable playing with and off each other, thus maximizing efficiency. The beauty of platooning is that it still allows for that, but with 2 core units.

I know our recruiting took a bit of a hit following the 2015 platooning, but it was a small hit and it didn't last for long. I think our recruiting would take a much BIGGER hit if Cal brings all these guys in and half of them hardly even get off the bench because he's playing a 7 man rotation. If I was recruiting against UK, I would think I could get a lot further hammering elite recruits with "you may never get to play" versus "you may only get to play 20 minutes a game". In fact, I suspect that Duke is taking a bit of hit on that right now after Bolden rarely saw the floor and Giles played a limited role.

I know Cal said he wouldn't platoon again, but I think that message was for the guys he was recruiting at that particular time. He's put a little more distance between himself and the other schools contending for one and done players now and he can now anticipate the negative recruiting and better tailor his message to fight against it, so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him return to some kind of platooning again next year.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Out of curiosity which would you of rather had...knox or Bamba? I think he'll go to Texas now that UK has so many good players. He'll want to be the man and you know that's what the coach at Texas will be selling him. But Cal is the best recruiter ever so UK still obviously has a good chance but I think he goes to Texas.
That's the thing, Knox only sweetens the deal for Bamba.
One train of thought is to go to a school and be the man. Ben Simmins did it, but that team missed the NCAA tournament and it was a frustrating year.
The other train of thought is, go to a team that has talents that will make things easier on you to perform at your peak.
Bamba can go to UT, maybe get on ESPN once or twice and miss the NCAA tournament if he wants to. It's not what I would do, but he's a smart kid, he'll do what is best for him.
 
That's the thing, Knox only sweetens the deal for Bamba.
One train of thought is to go to a school and be the man. Ben Simmins did it, but that team missed the NCAA tournament and it was a frustrating year.
The other train of thought is, go to a team that has talents that will make things easier on you to perform at your peak.
Bamba can go to UT, maybe get on ESPN once or twice and miss the NCAA tournament if he wants to. It's not what I would do, but he's a smart kid, he'll do what is best for him.
Texas will be good without him but could be really good with him. But you're right in that UK is definitely not a bad option for him by any means. He'll get to be a OAD and possibly win a championship. At UT he gets to help a coach that he obviously likes start to build a program that Texas can be proud of and he gets to be the main man to start it. I don't think he can go wrong either way. He'll be a lottery pick regardless of his pick.
 
Texas will be good without him but could be really good with him. But you're right in that UK is definitely not a bad option for him by any means. He'll get to be a OAD and possibly win a championship. At UT he gets to help a coach that he obviously likes start to build a program that Texas can be proud of and he gets to be the main man to start it. I don't think he can go wrong either way. He'll be a lottery pick regardless of his pick.
Bamba Knox Diallo Green and Washington are buds off the court green was his AAU pg. Knox and he are good friends it help UK alot
 
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I don't think the negative recruiting on platooning would even work

Town-#1 overall pick and doing great
Booker - Lottery pick and doing great
Ulis- drafted and getting starts in the league
Aaron Harrison-Has played in the NBA
Andrew Harrison- Drafted and in the NBA
WCS- Top 10 pick
Poythress- In the NBA
Hawkins - key contributer to Kentucky as an upperclassman
Willis- key contributer to Kentucky as an upperclassman
Lyles- Lottery pick
 
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This excuse is trotted out time and again by those against platooning without any sense of irony.

What's being missed is that playing five players in a set rotation is the epitome of a short rotation.

The only difference is that there is not one but two of them. What this does in practice is allow short rotations to play and develop without the usual shortcomings, such as fatigue and foul trouble becoming a big problem.

In other words platooning allows for BOTH the advantages of playing with a short rotation AND playing a deep bench, without most of the drawbacks inherent with each style.

There's another side that you don't mention.

That theory would be justified if the game was 80 minutes long. It's not about a starting 5 in terms of the rotation, you dismiss completely the notion that game time minutes are extremely valuable.

Kentucky was dominant in the regular season platooning. There's no arguing that. But I believe Cal stopped because it's best to depend on certain players playing in different situations. Games tighten up in the tournament and it's totally different than the season. Cal just adjusted to that. I don't see the facts as you do.

It's all moot regardless. Cal isn't going to platoon. It caused damage in regards to recruiting and Cal will never allow that.
 
There's another side that you don't mention.

That theory would be justified if the game was 80 minutes long. It's not about a starting 5 in terms of the rotation, you dismiss completely the notion that game time minutes are extremely valuable.

The whole issue of platoons and its advantages and disadvantages was discussed in great detail during the 2014-15 season and afterwards. Sorry, but I'm not going to repeat each and every aspect in this thread, but I can assure you all these things have been discussed previously.

You make the spurious claim that a straight 5-for-5 platoons "dismiss completely the notion that game time minutes are extremely valuable." That's completely bogus argument.

If anything it's the exact opposite. Platoons make it possible that when a squad comes in that they know they can play full out for the time that they're in, and in fact are expected to play that way without fear of fatigue. That encourages the squads to put full effort at all times they are on the court, which is bad news for the opposition. In other words the platoons if played correctly ensures that the MOST is made of the 40 minutes available, because players are going full out all the time.

Think of it, if a player knows he's coming out at around the 5:00 mark he knows he can go full out and will get his rest. Compare that to the player who enters the game having no idea if he's going to play 2 minutes or 18 minutes. In the latter case, a player is going to naturally start to pace himself, in case he needs to play an extended stretch.

Kentucky was dominant in the regular season platooning. There's no arguing that. But I believe Cal stopped because it's best to depend on certain players playing in different situations. Games tighten up in the tournament and it's totally different than the season. Cal just adjusted to that. I don't see the facts as you do.

Cal certainly adjusted to the idea of the games tightening up in the tournament. Only problem is that in doing so, he walked away from UK's main advantage (which was its depth and balance).

The problem is that when he ran into a team like Wisconsin, by trying to concentrate on his 'five best guys', he fell into a trap because Wisconsin's 'five best guys' were every bit as good as UK's. In the end it bit UK.

Look, I understand the argument that teams tighten their rotation in the tournament. And maybe 99.9% of the teams do that. But do you want to know something? >99.9% of the teams in the country didn't have the insane depth of talent and balance that the 2015 UK team had.

Go back to Wisconsin. If you go back and watch the game Wisconsin in the last 5 minutes of the game was gassed and ready to be blown off the floor. Only problem was that Cal had long abandoned his substitution pattern and himself was overly relying on a handful of players, who themselves were fatigued and were not in a position to take advantage.

It's all moot regardless. Cal isn't going to platoon. It caused damage in regards to recruiting and Cal will never allow that.

This is a ridiculous argument BTW. Opposing coaches will always negatively recruit against UK and Cal, regardless of the circumstances. That's nothing new and will not change. Did they negatively recruit against UK when UK was platooning? Sure they did. Will they negatively recruit against UK now that Cal has vowed not to platoon again? Of course they will.

One example: Have recruiters negatively recruited against UK because they took Skal Labissiere and he didn't play that well at UK? Of course they did. Does that mean Cal will stop recruiting highly rated players? Of course not. But according to your logic, maybe he should.

Calipari was somehow able to not only withstand but turn it to his advantage that the two players who shot the 4th and 5th most field goals in the 2012 team ended up as the #1 and #2 NBA draft picks. He can certainly turn the fact that guys like Trey Lyles and Devin Booker etc. played on platoons and have gone on to be successful in the NBA. If anything, the whole platoon idea fits perfectly in Cal's other philosophies such as attracting players who are selfless and team-first.
 
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if Bamba comes....every position except PG

Point guard is IMO the most important position.

One reason why platoons was feasible in 2015 was due to having two great college point guards in Andrew Harrison and Tyler Ulis.

Without two high caliber point guards, I don't think platoons in the standard sense would work. But they could do something like rotate in the front court players as a group etc.
 
No Way. That hurt recruiting the following year. Don't think Cal will do that again. Now playing 8 to 10 people every game yes.
It didn't hurt recruiting......if all the players that were signed could have been counted (J. Murray) UK would have been ranked #1.
 
When Poy went down the platoon suffered horribly from that point. Before that tgere was potential for greatness...
I liked how when they would change out....... you could see the opposing player's shoulders droop. I enjoyed it myself.
 
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I think there's a difference in saying teams used the platoon to negitively recruit against us and saying that it actually had a negative impact.

Whatever effect it had on recruiting (and I'm not sure it had) was more than canceled out by the mere fact that we just completely wore teams down in some games. Bottom line is we had our best season platooning. Guys play less mins, they are usually more efficient the time they do play.

The benefits far outweigh the negitives
 
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He does prefer shorter rotations, but I think that's with the idea that you do so by building a core group that really gets comfortable playing with and off each other, thus maximizing efficiency. The beauty of platooning is that it still allows for that, but with 2 core units.

I know our recruiting took a bit of a hit following the 2015 platooning, but it was a small hit and it didn't last for long. I think our recruiting would take a much BIGGER hit if Cal brings all these guys in and half of them hardly even get off the bench because he's playing a 7 man rotation. If I was recruiting against UK, I would think I could get a lot further hammering elite recruits with "you may never get to play" versus "you may only get to play 20 minutes a game". In fact, I suspect that Duke is taking a bit of hit on that right now after Bolden rarely saw the floor and Giles played a limited role.

I know Cal said he wouldn't platoon again, but I think that message was for the guys he was recruiting at that particular time. He's put a little more distance between himself and the other schools contending for one and done players now and he can now anticipate the negative recruiting and better tailor his message to fight against it, so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him return to some kind of platooning again next year.

Just my 2 cents.
Yeah he actually doesn't want to play 6 players as that is the dumbass thing K does but he has said he prefers to have 8 guys not 10-11 as then everyone gets to eat he has said. But as most understand zero chance he platoons ever again due to recruiting negative by jackasses like Capel. But if we get Bamba and especially if we get diallo or Johnson he will have no choice but to play 10ish guys as we will have 10 or so future NBAers on one team.

Edit - sorry diehard I meant to post this as a response to mourgusky not your post as your post is saying basically the same thing I just said .
 
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