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[JonathanW]

I know this is rare in The Paddock, but I am NOT wanting a debate on this. I honestly just want to understand a point of view.

I understand that many don't want to be forced (or even cohersed) into taking the vaccine by the government. And I understand why people don't want to be told what to do, especially if they don't think they are harming anyone else.

I also know there are others who claim for religious reasons that they should not have to get vaccinated, and even try to get religious exemptions to avoid it. I am a Christian, but fail to see the connection. Could someone please explain it to me?
Again, I am not being critical or judgemental, just wanting to understand the rationale. I mean I get why those who don't want any medicinal treatments of any kind would object. But if you are not one of those (opposed to any medical treatment), how is a covid vaccine different from the religous perspective than other vaccines or treatments?

 

[catlanta33]

how is a covid vaccine different from the tetnus one different from a smallpox vaccine different from a leukemia treatment different from tylenol?

One of those is not like the others. The others have years if not decades of accumulated data. The covid shots were granted EUA as experimental. Combine that with big pharma actively delaying the release of more of their clinical trial data and the more or less ignoring of anything negative related to them I wonder why people still believe they're safe and effective without knowing the full story.

 

[bbonds]

There’s a documentary that just came out, you may want to check it out.

 

[Bill Cosby]

The whole covid hysteria and “vaccine” development process was an affront to science, logic, reason and common sense. For those of us that were young, healthy and aren’t beholden to the pop culture social media narrative, there was no reason to inject ourselves with experimental gene therapy for a sickness that posed virtually no risk.

I’ve never taken a flu shot, and was certainly not going to take an experimental therapy that couldn’t pass FDA muster under pre-covid normal government corruption.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

The others had long clinical trials...and work?

It's a weird question in that the covid vaccines belong no where near the same breath in a sentence as a smallpox vaccine, a tetanus vaccine etc...those are upwards of 95% efficacious, with great numbers of pre/post studies.

Smallpox took 150 years of science, tetanus 50...both ended up with newer age formulas and then still took a decade to give to the masses.

MRNA different than live attenuated or inactive etc.

It's difficult for me to see how someone couldnt "understand the view"...i understand not agreeing with the view, but how can you not understand the viewpoint?

 

[CincyUKFan]

One of those is not like the others. The others have years if not decades of accumulated data. The covid shots were granted EUA as experimental. Combine that with big pharma actively delaying the release of more of their clinical trial data and the more or less ignoring of anything negative related to them I wonder why people still believe they're safe and effective without knowing the full story.

Yeah I couldn’t believe when I was in the US during Covid that the Covid 19 shots were being labeled “immunization.” Absotulely ridiculous. And then you have politicians, including the POTUS, saying, “Get this shot and you won’t get Covid.”

Tetnus shot makes you immune (completely resistant) to tetnus. Polio vaccination means you won’t get polio. Covid shot doesn’t grant immunity and legit doctors are publishing studies that suggest vaccinated people are more likely to get Covid and that the shot is harming their immune systems. Several counties halted vaccination of young people months ago.

 

[catlanta33]

There’s a documentary that just came out, you may want to check it out.

Where can this be found?

 

[Wesley91581]

There’s a pinned thread for this

 

[bbonds]

https://diedsuddenly.info/

I've watched it. Full disclosure, I'm not completely convinced I believe any of this, however when you see what these funeral people are pulling out of people, it's cause for concern.

 

[Tannerdad]

I took 3 shots because I was advised to sue to my condition (RA). Got COVID, btw.

I have not taken another because both of my doctors see no use in it and see no evidence of real benefit. And with the pneumonia shots I have to take, the Shingles shots, the flu shots, they think I’ve got enough juice in me for a while. At least all those others had long trials to shake out the cobwebs.

 

[JonathanW]

One of those is not like the others. The others have years if not decades of accumulated data. The covid shots were granted EUA as experimental. Combine that with big pharma actively delaying the release of more of their clinical trial data and the more or less ignoring of anything negative related to them I wonder why people still believe they're safe and effective without knowing the full story.

I did not ask for a scientific rationale (which I understand, I am in that industry), I asked for the religious rationale. So I have edited my original post so that the real question I am asking is not diverted.

 

[CincyUKFan]

I did not ask for a scientific rationale (which I understand, I am in that industry), I asked for the religious rationale. So I have edited my original post so that the real question I am asking is not diverted.

I think the main religious argument has to do with cell lines from an aborted fetus.

 

[MegaBlue05]

Without wading into political stuff, the religious exemption is based on certain religions’ beliefs. For example, Jehova’s Witnesses don’t believe in things like blood transfusions. I would assume they’re also against vaccines, but could be totally wrong. Another argument for not using anything with stem cells is something to do with abortion.

I’m fine with vaccination being a personal choice and it shouldn’t be mandated by the government. However, if a private employer mandates it, either get your shots or dust off your resume. That’s how private businesses work.

I’m double vaxxed and have had two boosters, but nothing since mid-2022. Hasn’t effected me adversely and I’ve been exposed to COVID six times and never caught it, so at leaat for me, the vax seemed to work.

Reading this thread, I guess I’m “woke” for trying to be a good neighbor + a good son in-law to my immunocompromised FIL who was undergoing chemo treatments + has a chronic lung disease and my wife is his primary caretaker.

As an aside, for all the drugs I did in my youth, this vaccine definitely isn’t the worst thing I’ve voluntarily ingested. Not even close, tbh.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

Will wait for an answer from someone with a PhD in the field, and a couple decades of experience. I consider the opinions of the average Paddock poster that saw a 3 minute YouTube video and once listened to a podcast about it to be completely invalid.

Will also laugh at anyone that bases their modern day health care decisions on ancient myths and superstitions. Idiocy of the very highest level.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Reading this thread, I guess I’m “woke” for trying to be a good neighbor + a good son in-law to my immunocompromised FIL who was undergoing chemo treatments + has a chronic lung disease and my wife is his primary caretaker.

Doesn't make you woke at all. The hope at the beginning of the shots was to protect community and family, etc, and unfortunately that has turned out not the case and the shots didnt work as hoped. But if that were your continuing reason to get multiple more boosters then it would be for not and maybe even against "the science".

Even CDC director admits this:

Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH

@CDCDirector

We can't stop the spread of #COVID19...

They used to believe we could stop the spread with high vaccination and boosting rates...now countries with the highest rates have the highest infection rates as well.

 

[Josh S82]

I think the guys name is Robert Malone he's interesting to listen to about the mrna technology (I think he actually was in on the creation of the tech) had a very interesting conversation on one of Rogans podcast but you can also look up his research and such. Very interesting stuff from him

 

[JumperJack]

I did not ask for a scientific rationale (which I understand, I am in that industry), I asked for the religious rationale. So I have edited my original post so that the real question I am asking is not diverted.

That’s hard to answer because various religions are going to have different views. Even people who are only mildly “religious” might have their own ideas and yet consider them to be religious in nature.

The far easier explanation is that it’s tyrannical to force people to inject themselves with a substance that’s so unproven. Not religious but certainly easy to understand.

It’s scary, really scary, to think that not only were so many willing to do it with practically no data, but many were willing to punish those who wouldn’t.

 

[cats2010]

The others had long clinical trials...and work?

It's a weird question in that the covid vaccines belong no where near the same breath in a sentence as a smallpox vaccine, a tetanus vaccine etc...those are upwards of 95% efficacious, with great numbers of pre/post studies.

Smallpox took 150 years of science, tetanus 50...both ended up with newer age formulas and then still took a decade to give to the masses.

MRNA different than live attenuated or inactive etc.

It's difficult for me to see how someone couldnt "understand the view"...i understand not agreeing with the view, but how can you not understand the viewpoint?

Think you misinterpreted his question. He merely is trying to understand the religious exemption part. How does religion factor in to not getting the shot when the same people have taken the other shots. I’ve not quite understood that myself. Personally, I don’t need a reason, I’m just not getting it period. They would have to forcefully hold me down and inject me with it, probably Fauci too, bet that Asshole never had it himself.

 

[vhcat70]

I took 3 shots because I was advised to sue to my condition (RA). Got COVID, btw.

I have not taken another because both of my doctors see no use in it and see no evidence of real benefit. And with the pneumonia shots I have to take, the Shingles shots, the flu shots, they think I’ve got enough juice in me for a while. At least all those others had long trials to shake out the cobwebs.

Exactly what I've done & think across the board.

 

[Glenn's take]

Didn't read anything but this is going well isn't it?

 

[funKYcat75]

Exactly what I've done & think across the board.

Same. I asked for the latest booster at my primary care doctor's office, and they said they weren't giving it. Have to go to a pharmacy if I wanted it. That was about all I needed to know, and I'm a dirty tree-huggin' baby-eatin' librul 😉

 

[8titles]

Two things for me.
First, when the guy that initiated testing on the vaccine years ago and had significant data to prove not just his history with it but also the side effects and potential impacts says it isn't safe for everything and has to be seriously considered before you take, I listen.
Second, I had just had COVID when the vaccine was released and it didn't negatively impact my health in any respect outside of a 2 day stuffy nose. I was told by my physician and our friend/pharmacist that it's better to wait around 90 days since I already had antibodies and they weren't sure if the vaccine wouldn't make me feel worse at that point. My Dad who was 82 got the vaccine and had a stroke within a week. I questioned his Dr's about potential vaccine side effects and got the typical, it's probably something with him. They sent him home and several months later he has a booster and has a second stroke within a week. They finally do a full body angiogram and find absolutely zero plaque or abnormalities anywhere in his body that could lead to stroke. Their solution, stay on blood thinners.

Now if he is having strokes after the shot and booster, his health is perfect otherwise (and since then) and the guy that helped invent the method used for the vaccine and warned that exactly what happened would happen then why the hell would I want a shot when even the first version didn't impact me in he least? And don't say to save others because that's been disproven as well. I 100% feel like I am better equipped to handle COVID than those that get the vaccine at this point. My use of a religion exemption would have been based on use of aborted embryo's to build the vaccine, but honestly would have been just to not have to take it if I had ever been forced one way or another.

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Think you misinterpreted his question. He merely is trying to understand the religious exemption part. How does religion factor in to not getting the shot when the same people have taken the other shots. I’ve not quite understood that myself. Personally, I don’t need a reason, I’m just not getting it period. They would have to forcefully hold me down and inject me with it, probably Fauci too, bet that Asshole never had it himself.

The original question was edited to focus in on the religious aspect. It original just stated what is the difference between covid vax, tetanus, smallpox and tylenol.

I think the religious aspect is something regarding fetal cell lines being used to develop/manufacture them (covid vax) whereas the others were not.

I am not in that group of worrying about it for that reasoning though, so havent cared to go deeper into it.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

However, if a private employer mandates it, either get your shots or dust off your resume. That’s how private businesses work.

When did you have to ever show your medical records to work an office job? Or be forced into a flu shot? How can we talk about "not discriminating in the workplace" and then actively try to discriminate against someone's private matter? What's the point of HIIPA laws if your job at Staples is demanding to see your medical records so you can work a cash register? lol

What if we just mandate women tell how many sexual partners they have had if they want to work somewhere and then make them take STD tests?

 

[JonathanW]

The original question was edited to focus in on the religious aspect. It original just stated what is the difference between covid vax, tetanus, smallpox and tylenol.

I think the religious aspect is something regarding fetal cell lines being used to develop/manufacture them (covid vax) whereas the others were not.

I am not in that group of worrying about it for that reasoning though, so havent cared to go deeper into it.

No the original question was not edited to focus on the religious aspect. The religious aspect was the original question. But some people focused on one example sentence, ignoring the original question, and hijack the purpose of the thread. So I edited that one sentence, do try and prevent further attempts to hijack the thread.

 

[MatteoV25]

What if we just mandate women tell how many sexual partners they have had if they want to work somewhere and then make them take STD tests?

I don't know about you but I'm not going to have sex with any of my coworkers so unless you're working in prostitution or pornography than whether someone has an STD or not has no impact on the workplace.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

No the original question was not edited to focus on the religious aspect. The religious aspect was the original question. But some people focused on one example sentence, ignoring the original question, and hijack the purpose of the thread. So I edited that one sentence, do try and prevent further attempts to hijack the thread.

Yes, you certainly edited it.

Your initial paragraph was focused on the religious aspect and i get that that was your intent, but you ended your question in this way: how is a covid vaccine different from the tetnus one different from a smallpox vaccine different from a leukemia treatment different from tylenol?

A religious person could have non-religious issues with the covid vaccine vs the other vaccines listed for various issues...as discussed previously.

A religious issue strictly to the covid vaccine floating around is the use of fetal cell lines being used to develop/manufacture them (covid vax) whereas the others were not.

There ya go, that should answer your question and end the thread.

 

[catlanta33]

No the original question was not edited to focus on the religious aspect. The religious aspect was the original question. But some people focused on one example sentence, ignoring the original question, and hijack the purpose of the thread. So I edited that one sentence, do try and prevent further attempts to hijack the thread.

No one hijacked your thread. You asked your question poorly.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

Because Fauci is the antichrist.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

OP, you probably don't even recognize it but the Branch Covidians made this a religion and their vaccine an idol and consider anyone against it as committing heresy.

That's the biggest religious element of this whole thing; not the people saying whatever they need to do to get overreaching assholes to leave them alone in their attempts to inject them with their BS.

 

[Bill Cosby]

I don't know about you but I'm not going to have sex with any of my coworkers so unless you're working in prostitution or pornography than whether someone has an STD or not has no impact on the workplace.

It does if there are heavy medical costs (like HIV treatments) and the employee is on the company’s insurance (and even more so if self insured).

 

[JumperJack]

No the original question was not edited to focus on the religious aspect. The religious aspect was the original question. But some people focused on one example sentence, ignoring the original question, and hijack the purpose of the thread. So I edited that one sentence, do try and prevent further attempts to hijack the thread.

I’m not sure there’s an a-ha! religious reason. A lot of people don’t like it when babies are shredded in the womb. Maybe some people who are religious take umbrage to the near idolization of big science and government. Who knows.

 

[Nightwish84]

OP, you probably don't even recognize it but the Branch Covidians made this a religion and their vaccine an idol and consider anyone against it as committing heresy.

That's the biggest religious element of this whole thing; not the people saying whatever they need to do to get overreaching assholes to leave them alone in their attempts to inject them with their BS.

I get what you're saying but you also felt the need to create another account in August and dedicated your handle to a vaccine you hate and a former POTUS you probably don't like either. If "loving" the vaccine is a religion, then so is "hating" it. Would be sweet if both sides realized that.

 

[CincyUKFan]

Here you go OP:

Religious exception for vaccination or religious excuses for avoiding vaccination

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BlueRunner11]

Religious Exmeption:

Pfizer and Moderna both use fetal cell lines (HEK293) to bring both products to market. As a Christian and someone who strongly believes in pro life I can not in good conscience partake in products that use, test, profit from, or encourage an abortion(s). Doing so would offend my sincerely held religious beliefs.

Personal Reason:

Experimental, The risks greatly outweigh the benefits, Lack of longterm data, etc


I work in healthcare in CA btw where it was (not now) mandated and despite harassment, discrimination, coercion, being called a “conspiracy theorist” having HR falsify statements against me, etc I have never taken a single shot and never will (Flu or Covid)

You are legally protected and a religious exemption is your right and employers are required to accommodate it. - Title V11 Civil rights Act 1964.

 

[CincyUKFan]

Religious Exmeption:

Pfizer and Moderna both use fetal cell lines (HEK293) to bring both products to market. As a Christian and someone who strongly believes in pro life I can not in good conscience partake in products that use, test, profit from, or encourage an abortion(s). Doing so would offend my sincerely held religious beliefs.

Personal Reason:

Experimental, The risks greatly outweigh the benefits, Lack of longterm data, etc


I work in healthcare in CA btw where it was (not now) mandated and despite harassment, discrimination, coercion, being called a “conspiracy theorist” having HR falsify statements against me, etc I have never taken a single shot and never will (Flu or Covid)

You are legally protected and a religious exemption is your right and employers are required to accommodate it. - Title V11 Civil rights Act 1964.

And some of the household shots come from the same line, correct? Measles? HEP?

 

[BlueRunner11]

And some of the household shots come from the same line, correct? Measles? HEP?

Correct. There are a few others we know of but this is the main one.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Don't really have a problem with the vax itself...mrna has been studied for a decade just not on this type of covid.

Had a problem with the constant discussion on boosters, giving children shots etc.

The thing is we are fully aware who's at risk and who's not. They claimed it would stop transmission, they were wrong. That's fine...its not like medical community are wizards, they've been wrong before. It was their doubling down on it.

So who gets covid: everyone
Who is at risk: elderly ppl, fat ppl, immunocompromised.

All ppl that died, over 80 some % were old and/or fat and out of the old or fat, like over 90% were unvaxxed.

In other words, if you're young and not obese you don't really need it bc the shot doesnt prevent or stop from giving it. For whatever reason tho some ppl got in their heads it could be eradicated where there was zero infection amd no ome should ever get sick. Ppl will get sick, it's part of life now.

Granted ppl will find some anomaly and blow it up that a young person died just like they'll find someone who died from the shot. Out of billions of ppl both are bound to happen but not in large #'s compared to overall population.

 

[8titles]

Don't really have a problem with the vax itself...mrna has been studied for a decade just not on this type of covid.

Had a problem with the constant discussion on boosters, giving children shots etc.

The thing is we are fully aware who's at risk and who's not. They claimed it would stop transmission, they were wrong. That's fine...its not like medical community are wizards, they've been wrong before. It was their doubling down on it.

So who gets covid: everyone
Who is at risk: elderly ppl, fat ppl, immunocompromised.

All ppl that died, over 80 some % were old and/or fat and out of the old or fat, like over 90% were unvaxxed.

In other words, if you're young and not obese you don't really need it bc the shot doesnt prevent or stop from giving it. For whatever reason tho some ppl got in their heads it could be eradicated where there was zero infection amd no ome should ever get sick. Ppl will get sick, it's part of life now.

Granted ppl will find some anomaly and blow it up that a young person died just like they'll find someone who died from the shot. Out of billions of ppl both are bound to happen but not in large #'s compared to overall population.

The stat I have seen that stood out is that somewhere in the 95+% of those that died from COVID had 3 or more comorbidities whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. The scary stat today is that more people who are vaccinated are dying than those that are unvaccinated. Argue % of vaccinated his higher driving it but to me it points that vaccine isn't improving the risk for those that have multiple comorbidities and those that are healthy are fine whether vaccinated or not.