“Pastor” is a con artist.
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I don't believe I ever said that Jesus said that...does He need to say that for us to know that divorce should be permissible because of an abusing spouse?
So NOW you can decide what YOU want him to have meant! If he said it’s okay with adultery to divorce but not specifically for abuse but not you’ve said it’s implied basically, how convenient for you.
You completely forgot to end this with, “in my opinion”.
You don’t KNOW any of this, that’s why it’s called faith. Now quit speaking out of both sides of your mouth because it works in your favor here.
Jesus Christ you’re annoying, bro.
I do agree it’s much different in person to have the convo.
Also, many of us on here actually do know each other and hangout out somewhat regularly.
Make your money off God? It's a real good bet you're a neurotic or a con artist.
Because iron sharpens iron, being in a community with trusted believers who love Jesus provides a huge assist. When a brother or sister directs my attention to a sin that creates a struggle and reminds me of God’s word and His desire for my surrender to His faithful love, I am thankful. It may sting, but it helps me stay focused upon Him when I stray.
Curious. If a man divorces his first wife for no biblical reason, then remarries another woman and has kids, is he still an adulterer? Should he repent by divorcing her and either A. Reconcile w his first wife or B. Stay unmarried if his first wife remarried?
Jesus doesn't mention rape or pedophilia as well. I don't need Jesus to explicitly talk about those things to know they are inherently wrong, just like I don't need Jesus to talk about divorcing a spouse because they are physically abusive to know that is permissible.
Iron does sharpen iron, but @mcnicKY91 is the flaccid dildo of life and being enjoyable to be around and converse with so he’s useless in sharpening anything.
-Proverbs 27:17
-Proverbs 27:17
Exactly, you’re saying your personal interpretations are correct and you know better than the rest of us. See how much BS that is? You’re saying Jesus said “X so you have to do it!” But he didn’t say “X but my opinion is he meant this too so (my belief) is the right one.”
You said he didn’t “explicitly”talk about those things, weird because he sure pointed out murder, stealing, jealousy/lust, lying, etc.
You sir are interpreting the Bible in how you see fit and correct and that’s exactly what you said I can’t do.
Rape isn’t mentioned either as you said so… you said you don’t follow man’s law you follow the Bible. Well that being that, looks like you can bang children and rape dudes!
Congrats!
You said he didn’t “explicitly”talk about those things, weird because he sure pointed out murder, stealing, jealousy/lust, lying, etc.
You sir are interpreting the Bible in how you see fit and correct and that’s exactly what you said I can’t do.
Also, maybe pedophilia isn’t mentioned because they were having sex with 13 year olds then, so there was no rule against it.
Rape isn’t mentioned either as you said so… you said you don’t follow man’s law you follow the Bible. Well that being that, looks like you can bang children and rape dudes!
Congrats!
An abusive husband disobeys Jesus. Men are to love their wives and not be harsh with them. We are to love them as Jesus loves the Church. We love as if they are a physical part of us and to God, we are one. Scripture informs that a wife may leave her husband, but should remain unmarried. It does not say whether that departure may be in the form of a civil divorce or not.
Sorry you don't understand. The Bible is very clear on homosexuality, murder, using the Lord's name in vain...things you affirm, which are sinful. All of these are spoken of as sin throughout the Bible. Every single one. This is actual text in the Bible.
As for divorce, the poster asked if Jesus spoke about violence being grounds for divorce. Jesus didn't explicitly say anything about divorcing due to violence.
I am saying I don't need Jesus to, because it is common sense, to anyone. Much like rape and pedophilia.
Huge difference.
And you and Nick do as well with your holier than thou looking down your nose at people attitudes. I will take where I am over where you are all day long. Rogue hit it on the head earlier. If what you two are is Christian, then I absolutely want no part of it. You guys are prime example of why people feel the way they do about Christians. Your over inflated value in your own self worth just blinds you to it. If you two were half as perfect as you think you are and act, the Romans would've nailed you both to a cross.
Well I know as a human, that if two people of the same sex are in love and want a sheet of paper saying that, I really don’t think God cares at all.
The Bible literally says, “And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.” I think and will always believe he’s fine with two dudes in love banging it out and being married. How does it hurt anyone? It’s love.
You also didn’t respond if you wore different clothes on the same day as the Bible says you shouldn’t.
Do you treat your body as a temple? No sweets, alcohol, you’re in good shape, no tobacco, etc?
And I was on your alls side with TCurtis until the Prophet McNK-owitall started talking down to people and using his interpretations as facts.
This is exactly what I’m talking about caveman and mcnic, when you talk like this you push people away you’re not bringing people in.
This is why we can’t get anyone between 18-50 in the church (unless they grew up in it) because they don’t want to be talked down to by holier than thou people. It’s rude and gross.
Your churches probably still sing out of hymnals and have zero 30 something in there.
I go to New Hope in Adel IA. Feel free to come if you are ever out in the Des Moines area. We have two services, one at 9, the other at 10:30. About 300 ppl a service.
God Bless.
It’s interesting that you perceive an attempt to adhere to God’s will, as stated Biblically, as being a statement as to my self-worth or a statement of perfection. That perception is on you, not on me for stating what scripture teaches.
But, I am thankful that you would have the Romans finding me aligned with Jesus. That is probably as humbling a compliment as I have received, as much as I question its veracity.
See what I have just proven. In an earlier post of yours, you said you have no problem with Christians not affirming sinful behavior (so long as it doesnt prevent ppl from getting a cake baked). That is exactly what I have done in this thread. And I only called out a fellow Christian (which I am biblically called to do), never once have I called out a non believer.
Seems like you do have a problem with Christians not affirming sin.
It isn't the message you provide. Its the way in which you provide it. Delivery matters but you are too damn arrogant to even recognize it.
The message isn't the problem. It's your delivery. The bible even says that calling out sin needs to be discreet and tactful (not an exact quote but certainly the message). Its the arrogance in which you do it. You may not realize it (I truly hope you don't) but you come off as very condescending with a hint of "I am better than you". If you want people to take you seriously, your delivery really needs some work otherwise you will continue to push people away like Rogue has said.
I have went back and re-read this thread. I have not seen myself or cavemen being rude, mean spirited, or plain jerks. We have been very respectful, and are doing what we have been biblically called to do.
We have not been demeaning, haven't called anyone any names. In fact, we are the ones who have been called names. Not sure what else you would have liked us to do.
TC, show me how to present the scripture in a way you would find acceptable that does not require me to accept the sin declared in scripture.
We can all make up our own religions and call it Christianity or anything else by saying the Bible is wrong where we want it to be wrong and right where we like it. We can all falsely claim that watching people rebel against God is loving people. But show me how to declare the truth in a way you will not demean.
Thanks.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't come across as "holier than thou" and talking down to others. Those things can happen without name calling. And you have been rude at times.
Thats up to you and your god to figure out. I want no part of it. It isn't just a you problem either. As has been mentioned multiple times, attitudes like the one you and Nick convey is a big reason people under the age of 30 or 40 no longer participate in Christianity. Eventually, the only people following Christianity will die because they are older if you don't figure out a way to be a little more welcoming without that arrogance.
Not at all. Have never been rude once. Not even close.
Jesus Christ loves you and wants a relationship with you. He died on the cross for all of our sins. He was tortured for our transgressions. It should have been all of us up on that cross.
God Bless, and go Cats.
you may not have intended to be rude but it has certainly come across that way multiple times.
Hey OP, how’s Michael Ohr doing? Aren’t you the fruitcake that got all bent outta shape on here a few months ago about the Touhy’s?
Again...where? I have never called out one non believer in this thread. No where in this entire thread.
The only person I did was rogue, who claims to be a Christian. I did exactly what the Bible said to do.
I cannot help if you don't like the messaging, but I have never once been rude or mean spirited. Pretty sure, like I said earlier, am the one who was called all the names.
I agree you want no part of it and that is why you are so defensive to what Scripture states. There is no way anyone can present it so that you would find it acceptable without God first softening your heart and opening your mind. It is your intolerance that gets you so incensed, not the way in which it is presented. I can be abrasive, but Nick’s approach here has been patient, clear, and straight. Something in you has blinded you to that fact.
I worship with people under 30 and 40 and many of them teach me and keep me focused on scriptural truth. Many people, regardless of age, don’t want watered down truth, because it no longer is truth. They want to truly know God.
Nope. Wasn’t bent out of shape at all. Simply said to wait before judging any of them for the entire story to come out. Said Oher probably wasn’t as bad he looked and the Tuohys probably weren’t as angelic as people were trying to make them out to be. Thanks for your concern pumpkin.
I don't remember Jesus ever even bringing up homosexuallity. Noah got drunk and his own son butt-raped him, so...
That’s your opinion. Others believe differently.
And as for your opinion there…quite a stretch, to put it mildly, based on what the scripture says.
You and some others here don’t want to face up to some things. Christians aren’t commanded to condone sin. Quite the opposite.
Whether you perceive that reality as being judgmental is up to you. I just know that there’s no equivocation in what is written.
If I was doing wrong, I would certainly expect to get called out for it. The notion that this shouldn’t happen is directly correlated to the complete breakdown of our culture.
Even atheists call each other out.
IIRC, in the Old Testament, blowjobs, handies and anal (between a man and a woman) are just as big of a No No as homosexuality.
D*ck in Vag is the only acceptable. Hostile doggy-style is probably even pushing it.
D*ck in Vag is the only acceptable. Hostile doggy-style is probably even pushing it.
I'll give this thread 3 bags of popcorn so far. Not what expected when I first opened. But I'm dumb.
Religion threads are like a Brian DePalma movie: Great trailer, crap film...
You can’t call someone out on something they don’t believe. That’s like us arguing on a sidewalk that you say 2+2=5 and I say it equals 6. We may both be wrong but you can’t call me out because I don’t believe it’s 5.
That’s the exact “condescension” about which we’re talking.
A) You said you called me out, can’t call someone on something they don’t believe, makes no sense.
B) You called me out because I “claim” to be Christian. If you can’t see how asinine and condescending that is you sir have a long way to go in a lot of things like communication, hubris, etc. It’s literally you judging whether I’m Christian enough in your view.
Well idgaf about your opinion or view on my relationship with god.
C) You CAN help the messaging. You don’t think more successful pastors with larger congregations aren’t delivering the message in a better way that more people can get on bored with? Not speaking on mega churches here just successful ones with hundreds every week in the crowd.
Like anything, the way it’s said is a huge part of whether someone is receptive to it or not. If you’re out here being a dick, well no one is going to follow you lead besides other dicks.
D) I don’t think anyone wants to go to Iowa and I sure as hell wouldn’t go to a church that says gays are going to hell and remarrying yada yada gtfoh.
You’re judging gays, excluding them and telling them the way the god made them is also forcing them to hell, that’s YOUR god not mine bro. Your god appears to be a real hypocritical Dick. Mine loves gays and accepts them as well as my Baptist church. We dgaf if you blow dudes, you love holy trinity? You’re in, come take a seat, here’s your communion.
Jesus was accepting of others, especially those different and in need of help.
He didn’t say, “Hey queers! I love you but you’re all going to hell! Here’s some wine and bread though!”
Also, it touching Iowa. Of course it’s easy to not cheat on your wife, there’s no one under two bills to cheat on her with. And of course your ex wife beat you, she’s likely twice your size with the strength of an ox.
And as the clown said, I hope you and your wife are only having missionary sex because anything else is basically a sin. I’ve done ALL those sinful positions and will do it again as I clearly don’t think god cares which direction your penis enters a vagina, plus I’ve never been married so it was adultery with all 132 gals, and that’s not even getting to strictly bjs.
