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Wait. So Bammer thinks Global Warming has teamed up with ISIS to cause the middle east problems? Did I get that right? wow.
That's right up there with alligators being so angry because they got all of those teeth and no tooth brush.
Is he not getting any corporate lobby kickbacks and other perks?
Mitch McConnell could really give him some tips.
With some pretty big issues going on right now, both foreign and domestic, the POTUS is still beating the global warming drum. Should tell you a lot, and it's not about science, or climate.
There are only two answers to fixing the KY pension problem. 1.) Raise Revenue and/or 2.) Trim Benefits. Neither are very popular. The least painful solution might be to legalize casino gambling and use a portion of the revenue produced to fund the pensions (much like the KY Lottery and education). I can't believe some genius in Frankfort hasn't proposed this now that David Williams is gone.
Yea it does, it says he has a brain and believes in science.
Global Climate Change and the mounting Federal Debt are the two biggest issues we face, and both will have cataclysmic consequences if not brought under control.
Let me guess what your "bigger issues" are:
1. Gay marriage?
2. Prayer in school?
3. Benghazi?
4. Assault weapons ban?
Global warming is likely real. It's unclear whether it's man made, and even more uncertain that taxes/carbon credits/more money will solve the problem. It's not on the top 10 list of biggest problems.
There are only ever 2 real options to a deficit crisis like this one. 1) Increase revenue, or 2) cut costs. The populace hates 1, because it usually means higher taxes. Politicians hate 2, because it means less pork for them to throw to their friends and cut backs on living like a rock star. Politicians also hate 1 because the populace may vote them out, and then be forced to get real jobs.
So of course modern politicians take option 3. Borrow money and kick the can, so it blows up on someone else years from now.
Global warming is not one of the biggest issues we face, thats ridiculous. The fact the President is trying to link issues in the Middle East to global warming should open up some eyes, but somehow I doubt it will.
We have real issues, that need attention. The house is burning down around us and some of you are worried about the fine china.
We have real issues, that need attention. The house is burning down around us and some of you are worried about the fine china.
Maybe you shouldn't guess.
1) federal debt
2) poor economy
3) mounting threat of ISIS both at home and abroad
4) growing federal control over more things
I believe in science too. I just don't think global warming legislation is about science or climate. It's about money.
Astronomical numbers of working age people have given up hope of ever finding a job. Over 100 million people in this country rely on the federal government for assistance feeding themselves. The education system in the country is an absolute farce. The federal government is running sweeping domestic surveilance programs to capture every move of the citizenry. Federal government agencies are being used to target individual citizens based on politics. Over 18 trillion in federal debt. The majority of states are broke. Etc. Etc.
But global warming is one of the two biggest problems facing our country. Jesus christ.
THE biggest problem facing the country is that idiots like Defense can vote.
But global warming is one of the two biggest problems facing our country. Jesus christ.
THE biggest problem facing the country is that idiots like Defense can vote.
1. Hey we got a match - there's hope
2. Considering we suffered the worst economic meltdown since the great depression I'll take the recover we have seen. Stock market doubled, unemployment rate down from nearly 9% to under 6%, GDP from minus 8% to a positive 3%. Wages need to go up though - who's for raising the minimum wage?
3. A serious threat but in the grander scheme of things it doesn't rank up there. How many Americans has ISIS killed - one is too many but let's put it in perspective. But yes, we need a better plan.
4. What things can you name that the federal government is controlling more of? and which of them are more important than then massive ice melting in the arctic, rising sea levels, Manhattan, Norfork and Miami (as well as all the other coastal cities) under water? Go ask the Commanding Officer of NOB Norfork, or most anyone else at DOD what they think of GCC- it's a very serious problem for them and they're already having to deal with it. It only get's worse from here.
Funny... but sad, that a folks on a political forum can easily determine the challenges facing our country but the Moron in Chief hasn't a clue.
Maybe he's still looking for states 51-57 after having visited the first 50.
Deefense - You're not gonna find much common ground here. 9 out of 10 that post here would rather live the economic meltdown/ great recession era again with Bush, than have Obama as their President.1. Hey we got a match - there's hope
2. Considering we suffered the worst economic meltdown since the great depression I'll take the recover we have seen. Stock market doubled, unemployment rate down from nearly 9% to under 6%, GDP from minus 8% to a positive 3%. Wages need to go up though - who's for raising the minimum wage?
3. A serious threat but in the grander scheme of things it doesn't rank up there. How many Americans has ISIS killed - one is too many but let's put it in perspective. But yes, we need a better plan.
4. What things can you name that the federal government is controlling more of? and which of them are more important than then massive ice melting in the arctic, rising sea levels, Manhattan, Norfork and Miami (as well as all the other coastal cities) under water? Go ask the Commanding Officer of NOB Norfork, or most anyone else at DOD what they think of GCC- it's a very serious problem for them and they're already having to deal with it. It only get's worse from here.
I love how you put "economic meltdown" in quotes as if it really didn't happen. Or wasn't that bad. Ask the people still out of work or those who lost 20-30% of their home value or saw their retirement nest egg take a huge hit.
There was also this thing called a pension, manufacturing jobs and a middle class back then too.
There was also this thing called a pension, manufacturing jobs and a middle class back then too.
Lols at the stock market doubling....also known, under republican admins, as Wall $treet corporate cronies stealing money from seniors, the gays, 115% of blacks, undocumented documents, single moms of cats, children's breakfast/brunch/lunch/snack/dinner programs and ironically childhood obesity programs.
All with the help of the QE program. Taking our own (future) money to pump us up that we made money.
Deeeefense is on it, Barack!
All with the help of the QE program. Taking our own (future) money to pump us up that we made money.
Deeeefense is on it, Barack!
The true sign of someone who has no idea what they are talking about, vis-a-vis economics; "STOCK MARKEY UP ECOMONY GOOD!"
Also, how many times does he need to be shown that the official unemployment rate is not the actual number of able-bodied adults who are out of full time work before Deee finally stops using it as an indication of how good the economy is?
If simply not being in a recession is the benchmark you use for a "recovering" economy then that only furthers the perception of your economic ignorance.
Finally, why are low gas prices continuing to be used as evidence of good economy (with the implication that it is somehow related to Obama or policies that he has/would support(ed))? Obama said (semi-correctly) that higher gas prices are related to higher demand, which means some economic growth. Wouldn't that necessarily mean lower gas prices are bad? Obviously there is more at play here, but basically stop being a mendacious hypocrite
Also, how many times does he need to be shown that the official unemployment rate is not the actual number of able-bodied adults who are out of full time work before Deee finally stops using it as an indication of how good the economy is?
If simply not being in a recession is the benchmark you use for a "recovering" economy then that only furthers the perception of your economic ignorance.
Finally, why are low gas prices continuing to be used as evidence of good economy (with the implication that it is somehow related to Obama or policies that he has/would support(ed))? Obama said (semi-correctly) that higher gas prices are related to higher demand, which means some economic growth. Wouldn't that necessarily mean lower gas prices are bad? Obviously there is more at play here, but basically stop being a mendacious hypocrite
Shit man, gas going North again. So Deeee should know that the economy is tanking again. Uh-oh.
Gov't throws out numbers that we can live with. Waaaay more people out of work, but if they finagle the numbers, they can come up with a % that Americans can live with. Unemployment.
Same with illegal aliens. 11 million? Bwhahahaha, try about 30 million. Gov't throws out 11 million. Truth is, they have no effin clue how many illegals are in this country, but they throw out 11 million to make it seem more plausible to just amnesty their asses.
OBL having two Noam Chomsky books on his bookshelf made me giggle.
If the stock market was down, gas prices and the unemployment numbers were up, and GDP stagnate or negative, you would actually have something to bash this president over and people like you would be doing it nonstop. But since all of these legitimate economic indicators are positive, your retort is that none of them have anything to do with the economy, Obama is a liar and a failure and I know nothing about economics.
If you want to talk about hypocrisy you need to take a good look into the mirror.
Everyone knows Deee is an Obama nut hanger. If Obama invited him to Guyana to have a spiked koolaide, he would sell his house and be on the next plane.
Almost all full-time workers (99.4%) are earning more than the minimum wage, and almost all full-time hourly workers (98.3%) are earning more than the minimum wage. Most importantly, the fact that more than three out of four teenagers (77.2%), who are the least skilled and least educated group of workers, earned more than the minimum wage in 2011 would suggest the minimum wage is mostly an entry-level wage for beginning workers with no skills. The reality of the labor market is that even a large majority of previously unskilled teenage workers are earning more than the minimum wage as soon as they acquire minimal jobs skills and work habits, and can demonstrate their value to employers.
http://www.aei.org/publication/the-...e-in-poverty-because-of-the-minimum-wage-law/
Let's see, record number of people not looking for jobs (reason unemployment is lower) median household income 4 or 5 thousand dollars lower a year per family, middle class dewindling, middle east in chaos, racial tension increased due to this administration poor leadership, corruption from government out of control with no accountability, and the list goes on.
As a 28 year financial advisor at a major Wall St firm I laugh whenever I see this.
You are absolutely correct.
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GDP growth is stagnate and unemployment numbers are flat and high, you momo. It's like you don't even know what you are saying, you just post the opposite of what I do and assume it is as substantial as my original post.
I don't blame this particularly on Obama as he doesn't have the level of control over the economy to "run" it. But policies he supports (or, based on previous statements, policies he would support), enacted by other members of government and regulatory agencies are causing this.
If you think the economy is good, or even fine, you are ignorant. Period. Again, if your baseline is the worst recession since the 1970s then any growth looks good; that's why it is stupid/purposeful obfuscation to act like .2% GDP is good. HAY ITZ BETTER THAN -3% SO THE ECOMONY MUST DOIN GOOD SPEND MOR MONEY!!!!! MINIMUM WAGE!!!
And people eat the shit up. I don't get it. Ask them about the post office, or anything else ran by the Feds and they'll probably laugh and tell you how incompetent they are. Hell, the secret service sucks. Government doesn't know shit and they damn sure suck at doing shit. Throw in some buzzwords and talk about the economy and the people believe every bit if it. It's crazy.
Still, I blame the media. If we had real media they would be LOLing 24/7 at our government, and the people would too. They would "get it". Nope. Gotta play this elitist, pretend bullshit and continue to act like our country has no problems. I mean, whales are dying!!!! Uhhh, people are fat!!!! Hollywood is CrAzY lolll!!!! We got real important social issues here guys, and we still have to save the world from terrors!!!! Aaaaajhhhhhhhh WEATHER!!!!!!!! Did you eat an avocado today?????!!! SCHOOL LUNCH??????!
The scary part is that Hillary is Obama 2.0 and these clowns are ready to give her the reigns. I heard one political analyst say this morning that Hillary was very transparent and lets everyone know where she stands. Did we not hear this same crap during the Obama campaign? I will run the most transparent administration ever. Only to find that he has the most secretive administration ever.
Contorting the statistics to fit your agenda reveals you aren't interested in the truth. You choose the most current quarter's GDP number .2% but ignored the average GDP growth rate since 2010 which is around 3% - historically a fairly normal number, and certainly better than the minus 8% the previous administrated left us with. GDP fluctuates but it's the average over time that reflects on how well the economy is doing.
Keep spinnin
Yea becasue everyone knows when the stock market rises it means the economy sucks.
I'm glad you're not managing my money
(need more laughing emoticons). You do seem to fluctuate on the influence of the POTUS on the economy to when it fits your "spinnin"
You have some very liberal (lol) rounding techniques. And this is with substantial government intervention via spending and QE. He has also been the opposite of helpful to the largest contributor to our growth, private energy production and the subsequent boost to household spending. 3% is the benchmark of a healthy economy and the economy has failed to hit that number under BO much less often than under Bush who you say was a failure. And lastly perhaps you should read the Congressional Report, chaired by a Dem, on the recession and who/what caused it.
I honestly couldn't give a shit less about unemployment, the number of college graduates who've taken on astronomical debt and can't find jobs, the current federal debt in addition to the unfunded obligations that will never be met, the people who've given up hope of ever finding a job, the people who've taken to disability, the people who can't afford to buy their own food without government assistance, shrinking take home pay, outrageous healthcare and insurance costs, etc. etc.
So long as we keep the federal pumps running to take money from my kids and grandkids to rally the stock market, it's all good.
While we're at it, since the stock market is so high indicating a record setting economy, let's hand the POTUS some new authority to make it easier to outsource jobs.
So long as we keep the federal pumps running to take money from my kids and grandkids to rally the stock market, it's all good.
While we're at it, since the stock market is so high indicating a record setting economy, let's hand the POTUS some new authority to make it easier to outsource jobs.
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