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Simpleton, huh?...You have the solution that came out of your own brain and are too...not going there...It is called personal responsibility + FREE birth control from PP to keep you from getting pregnant in the first place...See how easy that was...See with you guys I have a different opinion...To me you have been beguiled to believe there is nothing wrong with abortion while thru what I've read and researched ...I think it is nothing more than cold blooded murder...You self-righteous anti-abortion simpletons love to bitch and pretend you're better than everyone else, but I've yet to see any real solutions offered.
At least 1 million abortions are legally performed each year in the US. You want to make abortion illegal? I guess you'd rather shift it all to the black market and bring back the coat hanger, since according to you, those women's health slogans are just bullshit. Maybe you could build more prisons and fill them with women like you have with the drug users. Anything to make you holier than thou morons feel good about yourselves while only making things worse in reality.
Even if you could prevent abortions, there's no way in hell you hypocrites would (even if you could) put your money where your mouth is and support all these mostly poor women to term, much less their unaborted millions.
I don't like abortion and I practice personal responsibility to avoid the situation. If any of you pompous blowhards want to talk real pragmatic solutions, then let's hear them. Otherwise STFU.
And he's never seen an ellipsis that he didn't like.Well we found out sluggercat doesn't know what socialism is and he counts the number of black people he knows to try and prove he's not full of hate. Other than that, you know how the 3 pages went.
Let's just put aside for a minute the debate on when a fertilized egg becomes a human. Most (not all, obviously) pro life Christians equate abortion with murder. So when you say "these poor young mothers cannot afford to raise their kids, let's just about them," That's equivalent to condoning murder to pro lifers. It's ludicrous to say "well if you're not willing to pony up the money, you don't have a say in the matter." Just as it's ludicrous to assert that Christians should condone legal abortions because it prevents much more dangerous abortions.You self-righteous anti-abortion simpletons love to bitch and pretend you're better than everyone else, but I've yet to see any real solutions offered.
At least 1 million abortions are legally performed each year in the US. You want to make abortion illegal? I guess you'd rather shift it all to the black market and bring back the coat hanger, since according to you, those women's health slogans are just bullshit. Maybe you could build more prisons and fill them with women like you have with the drug users. Anything to make you holier than thou morons feel good about yourselves while only making things worse in reality.
Even if you could prevent abortions, there's no way in hell you hypocrites would (even if you could) put your money where your mouth is and support all these mostly poor women to term, much less their unaborted millions.
I don't like abortion and I practice personal responsibility to avoid the situation. If any of you pompous blowhards want to talk real pragmatic solutions, then let's hear them. Otherwise STFU.
You self-righteous anti-abortion simpletons love to bitch and pretend you're better than everyone else, but I've yet to see any real solutions offered.
At least 1 million abortions are legally performed each year in the US. You want to make abortion illegal? I guess you'd rather shift it all to the black market and bring back the coat hanger, since according to you, those women's health slogans are just bullshit. Maybe you could build more prisons and fill them with women like you have with the drug users. Anything to make you holier than thou morons feel good about yourselves while only making things worse in reality.
Even if you could prevent abortions, there's no way in hell you hypocrites would (even if you could) put your money where your mouth is and support all these mostly poor women to term, much less their unaborted millions.
I don't like abortion and I practice personal responsibility to avoid the situation. If any of you pompous blowhards want to talk real pragmatic solutions, then let's hear them. Otherwise STFU.
What about a fetus with AIDsitic Down Syndrome from white grandpa rape?
The role of the government is to protect those without a voice. Since fetuses can't vote, they'll never be recognized by Washington as having a voice. And mothers in danger of dying from rusty hanger abortions are much more likely voters than a would be aborted kid (no telling which way their political affiliation may lean). Better not take any chances.
Like I said. Every argument similar to yours make the assumption that the unborn child isn't due the unalienable rights bestowed upon us at the founding of our nation. It's a compelling debate. But it's not a debate that is justified by the circumstance that the prospective mother is due to infringe upon the rights of the child because it is dependent on her.The role of government is also to guarantee the individual liberty of its citizens. Besides a death penalty without a preceding trial by jury, I cannot think of a greater infringement on individual autonomy than a government forcing a 13yo girl who's <5 days pregnant by her father to complete a pregnancy. If you take the stance of "personhood at conception", then either you support such an infringement or you don't *actually* believe what you're saying re: murder of an innocent child.
Abortion is an extreme scenario where the fundamental rules of a liberal democracy begin to come into conflict with each other. That's why it's best for the government to keep their hand off of the matter and let the woman/family/doctors sort out the mess.
How is your grandpa willy? Doing well I hope.
So what do you think Uncle Sam should do to the girl and the provider who perform such an abortion? Be specific.Like I said. Every argument similar to yours make the assumption that the unborn child isn't due the unalienable rights bestowed upon us at the founding of our nation. It's a compelling debate. But it's not a debate that is justified by the circumstance that the prospective mother is due to infringe upon the rights of the child because it is dependent on her.
He's dead as hell.
Sure was Grandpa Goodtouch.
Cursed by his own talented abilities and the overwhelming need to share them. Tragic. He will be missed.
And hey, don't feel bad willy, a lot of people's grandpa's were cawksuckers.
What a delightful post! to offer a rebuttal, I suggest that it's also hypocritical if you don't self abort, especially at any point in life where you become poor. Hope the job is going well!
Watch out, ghetto masses. The value of your lives are only worth, say, 3/5 of a "real" person. Oh, irony.
And BTW, since 90%+ of abortions are not for any necessary medical reason, I'd definitely echo your assertion that the "women's health slogans" are indeed bullshit.
30% and more of what I make already goes to support these people. I feel pretty confident that I already do my part. WAY MORE than my part. I damn sure feel that it's not too effing much to expect people to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe that's the one pragmatic solution that some folks just don't want to hear about.
And it is a effing disgrace that my country, by your admission, is complicit in killing a million people a year who did nothing to deserve it except be poor.
Let's just put aside for a minute the debate on when a fertilized egg becomes a human. Most (not all, obviously) pro life Christians equate abortion with murder. So when you say "these poor young mothers cannot afford to raise their kids, let's just about them," That's equivalent to condoning murder to pro lifers. It's ludicrous to say "well if you're not willing to pony up the money, you don't have a say in the matter." Just as it's ludicrous to assert that Christians should condone legal abortions because it prevents much more dangerous abortions.
The role of the government is to protect those without a voice. Since fetuses can't vote, they'll never be recognized by Washington as having a voice. And mothers in danger of dying from rusty hanger abortions are much more likely voters than a would be aborted kid (no telling which way their political affiliation may lean). Better not take any chances.
I would think the provider should get a more severe punishment, seeing as the girl is a minor.So what do you think Uncle Sam should do to the girl and the provider who perform such an abortion? Be specific.
You self-righteous anti-abortion simpletons love to bitch and pretend you're better than everyone else, but I've yet to see any real solutions offered.
At least 1 million abortions are legally performed each year in the US. You want to make abortion illegal? I guess you'd rather shift it all to the black market and bring back the coat hanger, since according to you, those women's health slogans are just bullshit. Maybe you could build more prisons and fill them with women like you have with the drug users. Anything to make you holier than thou morons feel good about yourselves while only making things worse in reality.
Even if you could prevent abortions, there's no way in hell you hypocrites would (even if you could) put your money where your mouth is and support all these mostly poor women to term, much less their unaborted millions.
I don't like abortion and I practice personal responsibility to avoid the situation. If any of you pompous blowhards want to talk real pragmatic solutions, then let's hear them. Otherwise STFU.
So you'd charge the provider with premeditated murder? What punishment does that entail?I would think the provider should get a more severe punishment, seeing as the girl is a minor.
Youre actually making a strawman argument. Ethics and legality arent always the same thing. I recognize its legality, yet contest its morality as it relates to not considering the rights of the unborn child.
Your ethics are your business. If you try to force your ethics into law, then it's all citizen's business. Your ethics aren't practical.
Im not trying to force my ethics into law. My ethics are MY ethics. Im not forcing them on anyone.
Liberals can rationalize killing children if you want, by saying its about a womans body. That doesnt change the fact that a child is being killed before it has the chance to be born.
But at least they didnt shoot a lion in the wild in the wild, because THAT would be a true injustice.....am i right?
Liberals can rationalize killing children if you want, by saying its about a womans body. That doesnt change the fact that a child is being killed before it has the chance to be born.
So you think the women and the providers should be charged and tried for murder?
You're the one calling it murder. I'm asking what you think should be done about it from the legal perspective.Maybe the weakest strawman of all time. And thats really saying something.
You're the one calling it murder. I'm asking what you think should be done about it from the legal perspective.
so you're saying the state is sanctioning premeditated "killing of children"? if not, then what's the purpose in saying stuff like that?The laws already well settled.
so you're saying the state is sanctioning premeditated "killing of children"? if not, then what's the purpose in saying stuff like that?
Again, people find it very easy to pass these hard-line moral judgments but refuse to say what they think should be done about the situation.
I'll give the "not even in cases of rape or incest" crowd some credit: at least they're consistent.
So it's a moral absolute that aborting a group of cells the size of a pinhead is "murder", but there's no corresponding moral mandating intervention by bystanders?Like I said earlier, its two different issues: legal and moral. Legally, the issue is settled. Morally its wrong to murder an unborn human. I understand the argument in the rape situations, but thats 100% about the woman and 0% about the unborn; which it should be vice versa.
So it's a moral absolute that aborting a group of cells the size of a pinhead is "murder", but there's no corresponding moral mandating intervention by bystanders?
So it's a heartbeat, not conception, that determines life and morality? There are so many moral absolutes in this thread that I'm having difficulty keeping them straight.If it has a heartbeat, its alive.
I find it oddly ironic that liberals are absolutely opposed to the killing of animals, trees, and/or convicted criminals. Yet are totally fine with killing living fetuses.
"But...But....what did that lion ever do to anyone?" What did that child do to anyone?