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Simpleton, huh?...You have the solution that came out of your own brain and are too...not going there...It is called personal responsibility + FREE birth control from PP to keep you from getting pregnant in the first place...See how easy that was...See with you guys I have a different opinion...To me you have been beguiled to believe there is nothing wrong with abortion while thru what I've read and researched ...I think it is nothing more than cold blooded murder...
Let's just put aside for a minute the debate on when a fertilized egg becomes a human. Most (not all, obviously) pro life Christians equate abortion with murder. So when you say "these poor young mothers cannot afford to raise their kids, let's just about them," That's equivalent to condoning murder to pro lifers. It's ludicrous to say "well if you're not willing to pony up the money, you don't have a say in the matter." Just as it's ludicrous to assert that Christians should condone legal abortions because it prevents much more dangerous abortions.
The role of the government is to protect those without a voice. Since fetuses can't vote, they'll never be recognized by Washington as having a voice. And mothers in danger of dying from rusty hanger abortions are much more likely voters than a would be aborted kid (no telling which way their political affiliation may lean). Better not take any chances.
What a delightful post! to offer a rebuttal, I suggest that it's also hypocritical if you don't self abort, especially at any point in life where you become poor. Hope the job is going well!
Watch out, ghetto masses. The value of your lives are only worth, say, 3/5 of a "real" person. Oh, irony.
And BTW, since 90%+ of abortions are not for any necessary medical reason, I'd definitely echo your assertion that the "women's health slogans" are indeed bullshit.
30% and more of what I make already goes to support these people. I feel pretty confident that I already do my part. WAY MORE than my part. I damn sure feel that it's not too effing much to expect people to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe that's the one pragmatic solution that some folks just don't want to hear about.
And it is a effing disgrace that my country, by your admission, is complicit in killing a million people a year who did nothing to deserve it except be poor.
The role of government is also to guarantee the individual liberty of its citizens. Besides a death penalty without a preceding trial by jury, I cannot think of a greater infringement on individual autonomy than a government forcing a 13yo girl who's <5 days pregnant by her father to complete a pregnancy. If you take the stance of "personhood at conception", then either you support such an infringement or you don't *actually* believe what you're saying re: murder of an innocent child.
Abortion is an extreme scenario where the fundamental rules of a liberal democracy begin to come into conflict with each other. That's why it's best for the government to keep their hand off of the matter and let the woman/family/doctors sort out the mess.
Like I said. Every argument similar to yours make the assumption that the unborn child isn't due the unalienable rights bestowed upon us at the founding of our nation. It's a compelling debate. But it's not a debate that is justified by the circumstance that the prospective mother is due to infringe upon the rights of the child because it is dependent on her.
He's dead as hell.
I remember his nicotine stained white beard would tickle my naked lil' belly. I would laugh and giggle. Sure was Grandpa Goodtouch.
So what do you think Uncle Sam should do to the girl and the provider who perform such an abortion? Be specific.
Cursed by his own talented abilities and the overwhelming need to share them. Tragic. He will be missed.
And hey, don't feel bad willy, a lot of people's grandpa's were cawksuckers.
Where did I say that poor people's lives are worth less because they have more abortions? Where did I charge the government with killing? You think forcing women to seek abortions on the black market or by coat hangers is not a women's health issue?
When you figure out how to instill personal responsibility in the masses, let me know. And if your side ponies up all the funds to pay for what you want to legislate, then I may take you seriously. But that's not going to happen. Just more bitching with no pragmatic substance....
I would think the provider should get a more severe punishment, seeing as the girl is a minor.
Youre actually making a strawman argument. Ethics and legality arent always the same thing. I recognize its legality, yet contest its morality as it relates to not considering the rights of the unborn child.
http://now8news.com/alabama-man-caught-having-sex-with-pig-in-walmart-bathroom/
If this dude would of knocked up "snugums" would he have the right to speak for the pig? Or would we need a translator that spoke pig Latin?
If this dude would of knocked up "snugums" would he have the right to speak for the pig? Or would we need a translator that spoke pig Latin?
So you'd charge the provider with premeditated murder? What punishment does that entail?
And adolescents who participate in premeditated murder aren't prosecuted in your utopia?
Again, be specific. You have no trouble drawing lines of moral absolutism, but you're not saying exactly how your moral code would be imposed on the rest of us.
Not in favor of abortion unless it's to save the mothers life, or for rape victims. Making it illegal is not the answer though. Abortions are going to happen and trying to tell a person what they can do with their body is hard to do. Education would seem to be the only viable solution to prevent it.
Your ethics are your business. If you try to force your ethics into law, then it's all citizen's business. Your ethics aren't practical.
Im not trying to force my ethics into law. My ethics are MY ethics. Im not forcing them on anyone.
Liberals can rationalize killing children if you want, by saying its about a womans body. That doesnt change the fact that a child is being killed before it has the chance to be born.
But at least they didnt shoot a lion in the wild in the wild, because THAT would be a true injustice.....am i right?
You'll have to ask a liberal. I may be the only person who hasn't followed the lion story, but if you want my opinion, I would not condone killing endangered species.
So you think the women and the providers should be charged and tried for murder?
You're the one calling it murder. I'm asking what you think should be done about it from the legal perspective.
so you're saying the state is sanctioning premeditated "killing of children"? if not, then what's the purpose in saying stuff like that?
Again, people find it very easy to pass these hard-line moral judgments but refuse to say what they think should be done about the situation.
I'll give the "not even in cases of rape or incest" crowd some credit: at least they're consistent.
this video from a couple years ago - the woman on the right should look familiar from recent infamy. Again, where do these dead babies come from if no life before existed?
Patient: "so I'll have a dead baby in me"
The renowned Dr. Leroy Carhart: "for three days, yeah"
Patient: "so I'll have a dead baby in me"
The renowned Dr. Leroy Carhart: "for three days, yeah"
Like I said earlier, its two different issues: legal and moral. Legally, the issue is settled. Morally its wrong to murder an unborn human. I understand the argument in the rape situations, but thats 100% about the woman and 0% about the unborn; which it should be vice versa.
So it's a moral absolute that aborting a group of cells the size of a pinhead is "murder", but there's no corresponding moral mandating intervention by bystanders?
If it has a heartbeat, its alive.
I find it oddly ironic that liberals are absolutely opposed to the killing of animals, trees, and/or convicted criminals. Yet are totally fine with killing living fetuses.
"But...But....what did that lion ever do to anyone?" What did that child do to anyone?
So it's a heartbeat, not conception, that determines life and morality? There are so many moral absolutes in this thread that I'm having difficulty keeping them straight.
Don't really have a stance on abortion, however the "we want equality" feminists always leave out the male in the decision..u know the person who planted the seed so should also have a say. But anyway, condoms are free and bc is easily accessible...so your just lazy If you get put in that position. And the rape scenario simply isn't who's getting abortions statistically, so it's an invalid arguement.
But if PP is going to sell tissue, I think it's pretty unethical to do so for profit.
But if PP is going to sell tissue, I think it's pretty unethical to do so for profit.
The argument of what it is and when it is, I won't get into. If anyone has settled the chicken and egg question then we can move on to other things....
My personal opinion is ... I agree that women that want proper medical care for abortion should be able to get it... I just don't see where any taxpayer money should subsidize the procedure any more than it should for sex changes... and... If our government has become so PC where it removes price support for tobacco yet finds it moral to support (with tax money) abortion, then can't we all agree, that we'd all be better off leaving such decision making out of the purvey of politics/politicians?
If the PP thingy shows us anything it's how easily we are baffled by BS......... It's right there on film, believe it or not, PP is selling body parts.
My personal opinion is ... I agree that women that want proper medical care for abortion should be able to get it... I just don't see where any taxpayer money should subsidize the procedure any more than it should for sex changes... and... If our government has become so PC where it removes price support for tobacco yet finds it moral to support (with tax money) abortion, then can't we all agree, that we'd all be better off leaving such decision making out of the purvey of politics/politicians?
If the PP thingy shows us anything it's how easily we are baffled by BS......... It's right there on film, believe it or not, PP is selling body parts.
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