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Just imagine...every talented x-fer they have but one would not be on the team this year because of the SEC x-fer rule! Lord they would suck even worse than they already will.They bring nothing but others unwanted trash to the table.
Never will be a SEC school.
ACC is a great conference and good fit for UL...not so sure it is "better in most sports" though. Mens basketball - yes...Doesn't do anything for the SEC, and doesn't do anything for Louisville. The ACC is a better conference in most sports, and football is just too hard to win (as you guys well know). The SEC has a bigger payout, but the ACC is a much better fit for the Cards.
Thank you for a refreshingly candid answer. I'm biased on this point but, in terms of athletic programs (and naturally there is much more to the argument than just athletics), I think UofL brings a lot to the table for just about any conference. I think UofL has shown they are more than "competitive" with all SEC schools in all "major" sports (men and women) other than football and maybe softball.Interesting I suppose. I think they'd be a great overall addition to the SEC. Almost all of their sports are pretty highly competitive and they would make the conference better as a whole. As far as football... hard to say. They have been competitive in the past, but they have done so in a lesser conference. They may have created the foundation in those lesser conferences to compete in the SEC. However, they would lose a number of transfers from SEC schools because I imagine that the teams kicking out their trash would tell them that they can't transfer to other SEC schools. That will significantly limit their amount out talent.
Unless the SEC changed their policy to permit alcohol sales, UL wouldn't go even if they were invited. Between their alcohol sales (which they downplay, no one knows truly how much they bring in) and ad revenue they would lose a large chunk of income. Not to mention, I think the ACC has a 55M buyout now which would be tough on anyone leaving.
YOU hit the nail....UL without the liquor ...not gonna happen at ULiquorUnless the SEC changed their policy to permit alcohol sales, UL wouldn't go even if they were invited. Between their alcohol sales (which they downplay, no one knows truly how much they bring in) and ad revenue they would lose a large chunk of income. Not to mention, I think the ACC has a 55M buyout now which would be tough on anyone leaving.
Louisville has a great basketball program, and their athletics department is paying real attention to the football program (unlike someone I know).
Thanks to their investment in football, and UK's lack of investment in their own, they have become a perennial top-25 program in the sport. I think most SEC schools would rather have Louisville in the conference than us. Most SEC fanbases are embarrassed at how little our administration has done for football. With Louisville they'd have an administration that wants to win in football at all costs (just like them). Louisville is willing to hire the best coaches, regardless of character (just like them), and to recruit the best players, regardless of character (just like them), and Louisville is interested in making their stadium bigger (just like them).
I will say it's better than any conference UofL has been involved with thus far and has long lasting opportunities for all of their sports programs to continue to grow and be major players moving forward. I also agree that with UK already in the SEC, the state of Kentucky is too small for both teams to thrive together in the same conference.ACC is a great conference and good fit for UL...not so sure it is "better in most sports" though. Mens basketball - yes...
I will say it's better than any conference UofL has been involved with thus far and has long lasting opportunities for all of their sports programs to continue to grow and be major players moving forward. I also agree that with UK already in the SEC, the state of Kentucky is too small for both teams to thrive together in the same conference.
UL isn't moving to the SEC but liquor sales has nothing to do with it. While liquor sales might show a lot of revenue, UL earns less than $500K from those sales. Their food vendor gets half of the revenue plus UL has to purchase the liquor that is sold. A $8 beer may net UL about $2.50-$3.00 of profit.YOU hit the nail....UL without the liquor ...not gonna happen at ULiquor
It was a sarcasm good grief SheldonUL isn't moving to the SEC but liquor sales has nothing to do with it. While liquor sales might show a lot of revenue, UL earns less than $500K from those sales. Their food vendor gets half of the revenue plus UL has to purchase the liquor that is sold. A $8 beer may net UL about $2.50-$3.00 of profit.
There are few things more over estimated than profits from alcohol sales.
Haha. It's way past April Fool's day.
Honestly, they (i.e., Jurich) would do whatever it requires to compete in the conference in most all sports, but especially football . .. QUOTE]
Yes, UofL many scandals in an effort to raise their program's profile under the Turtle's watch are pretty well known in these parts . .
It is a good fit until the SEC comes after 3-4 of their teams of which not 1 will be Otis...Doesn't do anything for the SEC, and doesn't do anything for Louisville. The ACC is a better conference in most sports, and football is just too hard to win (as you guys well know). The SEC has a bigger payout, but the ACC is a much better fit for the Cards.
Are you a big fat bear and been in hibernation for 3 years now...In less than two years KENTUCKY's facilities will be as good as any in the country(per Mark Stoops)...Our recruiting has picked up and hopefully this staff can coach up players as well as they can recruit them...This year should start showing the fruits of their labor...#WHY NOT KENTUCKYLouisville has a great basketball program, and their athletics department is paying real attention to the football program (unlike someone I know).
Thanks to their investment in football, and UK's lack of investment in our own, they have become a perennial top-25 program in the sport (whether we want to acknowledge that or not). I think most SEC schools would rather have Louisville in the conference than us. Most SEC fanbases are embarrassed at how little our administration has done for football, and how far we lag behind the rest of the conference.
With Louisville they'd have an administration that wants to win in football at all costs (just like them). Louisville is willing to hire the best coaches, regardless of character (just like them), and are willing to recruit the best players, regardless of character (just like them), and Louisville is interested in making their stadium bigger (just like them).
I wouldn't want Louisville in the SEC, because the only thing it would do is highlight how much they've done for the nation's most popular sport, and how little we've done for it. But who knows, maybe that would be a good thing in the end. Maybe it would force us to finally make an SEC-level commitment to football.
Check your math.Alcohol sales allow for huge profits...to say otherwise is silly.
1/2 barrel individually costs about $105...buy in bulk like a major sporting event and I'm sure it's less, but let's stick to $105. If you get 100% of the keg, it costs $.63 per 12 oz beer. You won't get 100% because of refridgerate on and poor pours so let's call it $.75 per beer. Sell for $8 and you have $7.75 left...id have to check on half the beer profit going to food vendors, but if so you're at $3.875 per beer profit. Many of the sellers are working for tips and fundraisers, so you save in expense there as well.
Very conservative estimation here, but 20% of the crowd buy 2 beers a game...22k beers sold for 3.87 a piece is about 85k per game in easy money.
I disagree that it does nothing for the SEC. Adding Louisville would give the league another elite level, tradition rich basketball program. U of L has really impressive overall facilities and very solid programs in most sports. I'm not sure adding U of L would do much for what matters most though (the bottom line), but I'd have no problem welcoming Louisville to the SEC.
With that being said, you have to ask yourself why Louisville would leave the ACC. It's a better basketball league. It's weak enough in other sports that U of L should be able to remain competitive long term. I don't know how much money the ACC distributes, but unless the SEC's number is substantially higher, I imagine U of L would stay.
I know a lot of older UK fans still have this mindset that Louisville is irrelevant and not worthy of being on the same level as Kentucky. Clearly, those days are far behind us. U of L is good at just about everything now
GBB!!!
Check your math.
Also your 20% estimate is high as is your 2 beers per game.
About 2 years ago the C-J published the net profits that UL received from concessions and alcohol sales. The number IIRC was $410K.
Check your math.
Also your 20% estimate is high as is your 2 beers per game.
About 2 years ago the C-J published the net profits that UL received from concessions and alcohol sales. The number IIRC was $410K.
Well you know that Louisville isn't the only P5 School that sells beer...Miami, Syracuse and West Virginia also sell Beer at Games...also LSU of the SEC is on the verge of doing the same as soon as they can get the go ahead....here is the link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/05/12/lsu-tigers-beer-sales-lsu-athletic-director-joe-alleva/9018143/
Fuzz is a know it all that doesn't know much...profit margins are huge in beverages/alcohol...many of the schools that sell beer have seen problems decrease because people don't chug a bunch before entering the stadium...and probably stop sneaking in hard liquor because of the beer availability.
$8.00 - .75 = $7.75?Alcohol sales allow for huge profits...to say otherwise is silly.
1/2 barrel individually costs about $105...buy in bulk like a major sporting event and I'm sure it's less, but let's stick to $105. If you get 100% of the keg, it costs $.63 per 12 oz beer. You won't get 100% because of refridgerate on and poor pours so let's call it $.75 per beer. Sell for $8 and you have $7.75 left...id have to check on half the beer profit going to food vendors, but if so you're at $3.875 per beer profit. Many of the sellers are working for tips and fundraisers, so you save in expense there as well.
Very conservative estimation here, but 20% of the crowd buy 2 beers a game...22k beers sold for 3.87 a piece is about 85k per game in easy money.
Good catch though Fuzz, very silly error on my part. Didn't change much though in the grand scheme of the calcs...3.625 per beer instead of 3.875...45% return instead of 48%...my 45% even closer to the 43% TROY estimated...seems my math overall was pretty good. If that is all you can come up with, I'll take it as you just got OWNED and move on...$8.00 - .75 = $7.75?