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Would you take Wiltjer back as a graduate transfer?

You're sitting one of the two we had, who did it against legit major conference competition. I'm glad you're not the coach.

Yea, good point. Only a good coach like yourself would let an All American sit on the bench & watch.
 
Like you're suggesting we do with Willie or Towns? Both of whom are more valuable than Kyle would ever be?

You do realize that combinations of all 3 could play...they could even all play at once. 2 of them played 20-25 minutes per game this year & we did fine. Wiltjer is a very good basketball player, not a freakish athlete who plays basketball. There is a difference...and there is room for both.
 
First of all, Kyle wasn't run off. He left for a place that fits him better, from both a style and a competition standpoint.

He's still a defensive liability, but his offense has improved in the two years since he left, just like it would have here. He's always been a talented scorer, and he's in the perfect spot for his skills.

He plays a much bigger role there than he would here, because of the talent around him and that he's up against, but we could absolutely use a guy like that on the roster for various situations. He wouldn't want to fill that role, and I don't blame him, but you'd be foolish to not want him here as a bench guy in a perfect world.[/QUOTE]

I loved Kyle as much as the next person - truly. And,I wished him the very best when he left; glad to see the accolades and AA status. But that statement I bolded is the reason I said no. I don't want him to return because HE didn't want to be here - for whatever reasons, he chose to leave our program. The coach is the same one who was here before Kyle left, the system is the same.
 
Cal said in public he wanted him to stay. Many times. They also maintain a close relationship. I will take him at his word rather rely on your baseless, bitter opinion.

Certainly your prerogative, just as my opinion is my own.

No idea where the bitter part comes from. I'm not Wiltjer. it doesn't matter to me.
 
IN a nut shell. Anyone that truly thinks Kyle is a top 10 player in college is smoking crack made with the finest quality cocaine and arm and hammer baking soda fresh off the shelf . AHAHAHAHA

And yet I bet you will defend the All American selection of a player who averaged 9 points & 6 rebounds per game...because, well, he plays for us.

Your credibility here is zero. Who is the next "lock?" lol
 
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You do realize that combinations of all 3 could play...they could even all play at once. 2 of them played 20-25 minutes per game this year & we did fine. Wiltjer is a very good basketball player, not a freakish athlete who plays basketball. There is a difference...and there is room for both.
I didn't say I wouldnt play him at all, I'm saying he is such a defensive liability he can't start. He also shouldn't start because he'd be forcing a better player to sit. He'd be a valuable situational player, but not much else.
 
Is the dumbest poster on thsi forum again making a fool of himself? Shocking. Guys, I put that guy on ignore (well overdue) so please everyone do the same so he can just talk to himself, and the voices in his head.
 
Is the dumbest poster on thsi forum again making a fool of himself? Shocking. Guys, I put that guy on ignore (well overdue) so please everyone do the same so he can just talk to himself, and the voices in his head.

always get a kick out of the guy who "puts you on ignore" but responds to every other thing you say.

He won't see this because he "has me on ignore" but if he thinks making a case for an All American getting playing time on our team is "making a fool..." then he has about zero basketball common sense.
 
I didn't say I wouldnt play him at all, I'm saying he is such a defensive liability he can't start. He also shouldn't start because he'd be forcing a better player to sit. He'd be a valuable situational player, but not much else.

I never said anything about him starting either.
 
Certainly your prerogative, just as my opinion is my own.

No idea where the bitter part comes from. I'm not Wiltjer. it doesn't matter to me.
The bitterness I describe is your general attitude towards Cal. You seem to have a negative slant when it comes to him. Your opinion about this issue is in direct contrast to what Cal has said on the record and Kyle's continued fondness of Cal.
 
So I'll ask again. You're criticizing Cal for not drastically changing the way we play for a guy who wouldn't start?

No, not at all. I was just responding to someone who was saying that since Kyle didn't fit Cal's style he needed to leave. I was only saying that Cal could've altered his style to fit such a player in if he desired. my view, though, was that he could've been a major contributor.

Cal's results speak for themselves. I just don't know that I buy in to the theory that Cal adjusts his philosophy to fit his personnel. I see it being the other way around. Some take that as an insult to Cal, which is blasphemy, I realize. He wins games his way, certainly wrong with that.
 
The bitterness I describe is your general attitude towards Cal. You seem to have a negative slant when it comes to him. Your opinion about this issue is in direct contrast to what Cal has said on the record and Kyle's continued fondness of Cal.

Not a Cal fan.

Am a Wildcat fan.
 
The bitterness I describe is your general attitude towards Cal. You seem to have a negative slant when it comes to him. Your opinion about this issue is in direct contrast to what Cal has said on the record and Kyle's continued fondness of Cal.

Cal is lying. Kyle is lying. That is what the other poster will say man, you are wasting your time with that type of UK "fan" sadly.
 
Not a Cal fan.

Am a Wildcat fan.
What you fail to understand is those don't have to be mutually exclusive. Obviously I'm a wildcat fan first- no matter who the coach is. And the success Cal has had here has made me a fan of his. As you said previously, his results speak for themselves.
 
What I would like to know is what has changed that would make anyone think he would be a better fit for the systems that Calipari runs a second time around at UK? Calipari's systems on both offense and defense is contingent on players being very athletic and being able to beat other players one on one. Do any of you really think that Wiltjer is in any way a one on one player on either offense or defense? He is a shooter that needs help to get his shot and his defense is just let me be nice and say it is what it is.
 
What I would like to know is what has changed that would make anyone think he would be a better fit for the systems that Calipari runs a second time around at UK? Calipari's systems on both offense and defense is contingent on players being very athletic and being able to beat other players one on one. Do any of you really think that Wiltjer is in any way a one on one player on either offense or defense? He is a shooter that needs help to get his shot and his defense is just let me be nice and say it is what it is.

I agree completely. Wiltjer was never going to be more than a 7th or 8th man type for UK...at best. He does not fit the system, plain and simple. He can hit some 3's so people want to pump him up as being more valuable than he was/would be now.

He will have another good year for Gonzaga before they flame out in the tourney to the first really good talented and athletic team they face....as usual.
 
You take just about any of our players and give them 3 years to develop and they would be All Americans at Gonzaga. It doesn't mean they will be All Americans here.
that's what I was thinking - would Kyle have made the AA team here? He would have had to show Cal a difference in how he played to even get on the floor, much less log the minutes he needed.
The big thing is Gonzaga plays a different style -Kyle did well in that style. He did not excel in Kentucky's type of play; and I doubt seriously he would have. Yes I know we are talking about comparable conferences, but look at OOC - how would he have done there?

As I said before - I loved Kyle, and happy he has had the success he has had at Gonzaga. I honestly do not believe he would have had the same success here, period.
 
What I find humorous is the posters who criticize Cal for letting him leave are the EXACT same posters who would have criticized Cal for playing Kyle if he had stayed because he was slow etc. :cool:
 
My answer would be a definite no unless Calipari would be willing to change his systems to fit Wiltjers skill sets. Wiltjer can play in the right systems but he is just not a fit for UKs systems.

IMO he would be very foolish to even consider coming back to UK. IMO UK has a Wiltjer type player that mostly just sits the bench in Willis. I actually think Willis is a better fit for UKs systems than Wiltjer. Wiltjer is the better shooter of the two but Willis is more athletic and can do more in the systems the Cats run. He definitely is quicker and a better defender than Wiltjer. The truth however is neither is a great fit for the systems ran by the Cats. Both need to play in structured systems where they get a lot of screens to get open and where a lot of zone defense is played.
 
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