Interesting because BostonCat insisted to me rather vehemently the other day that Cal's strength is adapting to the players he has as opposed fitting them into his system.
Would you take Wiltjer back as a graduate transfer?
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Interesting because BostonCat insisted to me rather vehemently the other day that Cal's strength is adapting to the players he has as opposed fitting them into his system.
First of all, Kyle wasn't run off. He left for a place that fits him better, from both a style and a competition standpoint.
He's still a defensive liability, but his offense has improved in the two years since he left, just like it would have here. He's always been a talented scorer, and he's in the perfect spot for his skills.
He plays a much bigger role there than he would here, because of the talent around him and that he's up against, but we could absolutely use a guy like that on the roster for various situations. He wouldn't want to fill that role, and I don't blame him, but you'd be foolish to not want him here as a bench guy in a perfect world.
He's still a defensive liability, but his offense has improved in the two years since he left, just like it would have here. He's always been a talented scorer, and he's in the perfect spot for his skills.
He plays a much bigger role there than he would here, because of the talent around him and that he's up against, but we could absolutely use a guy like that on the roster for various situations. He wouldn't want to fill that role, and I don't blame him, but you'd be foolish to not want him here as a bench guy in a perfect world.
Can you actually think about what you post instead of your knee-jerk "everything Cal does is wrong" BS?
Wiltjer got big minutes at UK- on an NIT team. He left (on good terms from all indications, you blithering idiot) because UK was bringing in Julius Randle, Marcus Lee, and Dakari Johnson, not to mention returning WCS and Poythress. Where was Wiltjer going to fit in to that rotation, especially considering that the 13-14 team's problems were based far more on defense (Pomeroy #41), than offense (Pomeroy #10)? If he was "run off" (I just lost IQ points even typing that idiocy), he was run off by being told exactly what he should have been told- "we have other options, you are guaranteed nothing".
You change your system as a coach to fit someone like LeBron James, or Steph Curry, or Anthony Davis. You don't change your system to make someone like Wiltjer more comfortable. I'm glad he's doing well. He made the right decision. But so did Cal.
Uhhhh, I realize you're blinded by all things Cal but recruiting over someone IS a way of running them off.
Wiltjer is clearly a better player than Johnson or Lee but likely got the clear message that he wouldn't be playing over either of those 2, so he opted to go somewhere else where he would get minutes.
You probably think Rodrick Rhodes left of his own volition & on good terms also....
So you're suggesting Cal shouldn't have signed Julius Randle, the last frontcourt signee of the 2013 class, and the one who really put the writing on the wall for Wiltjer?
Yeah, that's just about on par with the level of the rest of your thinking. I realize that you're an agenda driven POS, but at least put a little more effort into it.
lol...you first make up something that I never said, or "suggested," THEN use what you made up to jump to "yea, that's on par with the rest of your thinking."
It's like I got in the middle of an argument your having with yourself.
intellectually dishonest way to have a debate, but as you say, par for the course.
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Hey, bright guy, I happen to be able to read, and I distinctly remember you writing that recruiting over a player equates to running him off. You may have the attention span of a gnat, but I don't. The #1 guy that Cal recruited over Wiltjer with was Randle. If UK doesn't sign Randle, it's a legit question whether Wiltjer transfers. Try to keep that in mind while having hissy fit #10,678 about what Cal did wrong. Maybe if you reserved your hissy fits for more logical things, as opposed to EVERYTHING, people would give a sh** what you had to say, beyond just getting irritated at your persistent, obvious, "Cal sucks, everything he does sucks" agenda.
Kyle could come off the bench and give us some good offense. Yes, I would take that in a heart beat. It would not be at small forward though.
At 6'10 and slow afoot he would not play SF and cannot play SF and cannot guard a SF.. Wow what a thread.
Those questioning the level of play in Gonzagas conference, while justified in doing so, fail to note that our conference isn't exactly the NBA western division, an even more true fact this past season.
No way he would play small forward.Kyle chose to move on and I wish him well and it's time for us to move on also.
Why would he change the way the whole team played to make it easier for one player who wouldn't start on the team we had?
Offensively? Sure, the problem is you'd have to change your whole scheme to hide him on the other end, and he's nowhere close to worth that.
Because otherwise Cal can't coach, plays favorites and doesn't develop players. Pay attention.
I'd take him as a great reserve. To be a starter, his limitations would force you to build the team around him, and he's not that kind of talent.
Nailed it.
This is the bible according to 3rex. With 0 explanation for how all that incompetence leads to 4 FF's and 190 wins in 6 years. Coming directly after an 11 year stretch where UK never played in a FF.
If 3rex wants to babble on about intellectual dishonesty, he should probably look in a frickin' mirror and ask himself how someone as incompetent as Cal can have so many concrete accomplishments.
You guys are crazy. The Kyle Wiltjer from 2012-13 is nowhere near what Kyle Wiltjer will be in 2015-16. To say you wouldn't take back a guy who finished on some All-American teams last year is insane.
The only thing I suggested was that (1) he would be too smart to ever play here again (2) Stats from 2013 don't have ANYTHING to do with 2015. I am wise enough to know he wouldn't have gotten to play here like he does at Gonzaga, which is why I am glad he left for there. He will always be a former Cat and also an ALL AMERICAN. Nobody can take that away!
Kyle will be hurt, I'm sure, by you not endorsing his AllAmerican status. And he will be known as an ALLAMERICAN the rest of his LIFE.
With our shot blockers in the paint on defense, I would've felt very confident sacrificing a little defense for something on the offensive end.
No. He choose to leave Kentucky, and for not the best of reasons. If you're an employer would you take back an employee who refused to work more than 8 hours a day? The guy that checks out at 5:00pm no matter what, work done or not? I'm sorry, but that's essentially what Wiltjer was. He didn't want to compete for time and didn't want to put in work in the gym to get his body in shape.
We tried that in 2013. If you play him, one of those guys wouldn't be on the floor, so now Willie or Karl has to guard two people and provide help. We would have been better off just playing small with three guards and Lyles.
Then play differently. You only need 1 shot locker on the floor. A coach who is lauded for playing to the strengths of his players should have no trouble finding a way to use an All American.
You're sitting one of the two we had, who did it against legit major conference competition. I'm glad you're not the coach.
Kyle wanted to leave and Cal wanted him to stay. What do you not understand about that?
If he wanted to come back, do some humble PR, REALLY work on what he needs to work on to improve his D, I would welcome him back. That ain't happening.
He doesn't understand how he can spin that to criticize Cal. So he goes a different direction.
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