Williams cannot help it that Carr let Nelson score 26 points. Williams was not responsible for Alabama hitting 13 pointers. This stat can be deceiving. He had a double double. Not happy with 4 turnovers, but when the offense begins with the 5 man at the head of the key making passes to cutters it can happen
Williams -20 Garrison +11
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Individual +/- in one game is a REALLY insignificant stat. It’s just not an effective measure of anything.
What was Perry’s +/-? Seems not having a backup PG that can play defense is hurting us more than any other position to me. Butler is getting worn down playing 35 minutes
Williams needs to look for shooters to pass to more often. He seems to get focused on trying to make an offensive move that he can't actually execute. In general these guys need to realize that in games like this every possession counts. Don't hoist up a 28 foot 3 at the beginning of the clock unless you are on fire and work the offense to get a shot.
Brea can't defend anyone either. Easy to see why he didn't start at Dayton. Dude did win us the game against UF, so I'm grateful for that.
People dump on Williams today but he came up big in some big wins recently.
Brea is also forcing his shot and he needs to learn how to create space because no matter how many screens you set for him, he will hardly be left alone. It's like teams telling Kentucky that if we get beat, it's not going to be Brea.
I believe in this team, but Williams also needs to be tougher mentally and emotionally as well. Kentucky knows they're getting bad calls, but you have to remain calm. I know easier said than done, but damnit, I know this team can win it all.
That's why it's also frustrating
Williams prevented any chance for a comeback. He intentionally threw Sears out of the way for a rebound during the made 3 to cut the lead to 4 with 27 seconds. So you don’t think the refs gonna call a foul!? Shows lack of basketball intelligence which also happens several times a game IMO.
You are correct. Garrison has a much higher upside that isn't being developed because Williams is taking way too many minutes from him.
I think many of you put way too much consideration into body language. Some people aren't as demonstrative as others, but can be just as (or more) competitive and be playing just as hard (or harder).
Stats don't lie.
Williams plays 20.9mpg, Garrison 18.2. Both less than a typical starting C/5.
What are they doing with those minutes (in a apples to apples comparison)?
Below are their "per30min" averages:
Scoring- Williams 14.2 to 9.6
Rebounding - Williams 12.6 to 7.7 (Williams 12.6 is tied w/ Cousins 3rd best at UK (only behind Oscar) past 40+ years)
Assists - Garrison 4.1 to 3.7
Stocks (Stl+Blk) - Williams 2.8 to 2.5 (Williams more Blk, Garrison more Stl)
FG% - Williams 56.5% to 51.9%
3pt% - Garrison 33.3% to 0% (just 15 & 1 attempts)
FT% - Williams 65.3% to 54.5%
Williams is simply better in almost every aspect.
Stats don't lie.
Williams plays 20.9mpg, Garrison 18.2. Both less than a typical starting C/5.
What are they doing with those minutes (in a apples to apples comparison)?
Below are their "per30min" averages:
Scoring- Williams 14.2 to 9.6
Rebounding - Williams 12.6 to 7.7 (Williams 12.6 is tied w/ Cousins 3rd best at UK (only behind Oscar) past 40+ years)
Assists - Garrison 4.1 to 3.7
Stocks (Stl+Blk) - Williams 2.8 to 2.5 (Williams more Blk, Garrison more Stl)
FG% - Williams 56.5% to 51.9%
3pt% - Garrison 33.3% to 0% (just 15 & 1 attempts)
FT% - Williams 65.3% to 54.5%
Williams is simply better in almost every aspect.
Our 2 weakest areas are rebounding and defense.
Garrison is not a good rebounder for a C/5. His rebounding is comparable to Ware.
And Garrison is also just not as good a defender.
Exactly.
Like Carr was only in when Nelson was playing.
Absolutely agree. Recommend watching the Catican podcast on YouTube. They talked about this very thing from the game.
The way he tried to dribble the ball at arm’s length to his side is hilarious. I could steal the ball from him.
I’m gonna defend Williams here. SEC is a grown man war in the paint. He defends and battles in a physical way that Garrison cannot without more weight.
The lack of a post presence is why I wonder, in retrospect, how this season would've gone if we got Great Osobor instead of Williams. I'm not as tough on Williams play as some, but it's obvious he limits the offense, and he's only an okay passer.
Offense is not our problem!!! 🤦🏻♂️
BTW, Williams scores nearly 50% more per minute than does Garrison.
Defense and Rebounding are our areas of concern (maybe 3pt shooting too). And without Williams defense and rebounding would be bigger concerns, he is better at both than Garrison. Much much better at rebounding.
Williams is very close to Garrison in assists per minute also, but does turn it over more.
Also Osobor wanted to play with Williams. So it was Carr and/or Garrison that scared him off.
While a little harsh I feel ya man. The dude gets worse every game. Then I hear last week how great of a rebounder he is because he avgs 8 a game lol.
I've never once seen the guy box out or even look like he understands how to rebound
Funniest thing is guys like Buzz Williams saying the dude is the heart of our team. He’s the dude that will ultimately get this team bounced in March.
Actually he averages closer to 9 (8.8) rpg. But even that doesn't tell the whole story. He does that in only 20.9 mpg. By comparison, Oscar was averaging 14.3 & 12.2 rpg playing 31.9 & 33.5 mpg. So how does Williams rebounding compare to past UK players this century?
First of all, you have to standardize the rebounds, so making an even comparison, so below are the best 8 per30min rebounding averages for a season at UK this century:
14.3 Oscar
13.9 Vanderbilt
12.6 Cousins
12.6 Williams
12.2 Oscar
10.1 Randle
10.1 Humphries
9.7 Davis
Maybe he relies on his height, reach, athleticism to rebound. The opposite of Oscar. So what, he gets them, better than most.
I'm sure some internet-warrior knows more about college basketball than a successful college basketball coach, who is known for his team's toughness and defense and rebounding every year.
Actually I think that dude is Robinson.
Some of you are too critical of players. If you don’t think we need both Williams and Garrison to have a chance at # 9, you’re crazy. Some games, depending on matchups, one of the 2 will play better than the other but neither is playing 40 minutes per game. They both can get better also. We need all these guys, and I appreciate the effort they’re all playing with to make this a really fun basketball season!
Offense is not our problem in general but it has been at times a problem. Alabama was our first loss where we didn't score in the 60s. Some teams have managed to effectively limit our transition offense and have used physicality to blow up the handoffs and screens in the zoom action. Having a low post presence would give the offense another look. In fact it's often what we go to (using Carr) when the offense does get bogged down, but there are some games where he just hasn't been effective. We all know Carr isn't that physical, but a guy like Osobor would be. Williams is physical, but has no touch down low.
I don't know what the answer is as to why, but he's definitely not good at it. Keeps his hands at his knees and doesn't bend his legs ever trying to rebound.
There's a huge difference in projecting someone to play 30 mpg and someone that does it.
Williams would also be at the top of a list of making the most bone headed plays possible.
Williams going up so weak just kills me. 7'+ great athlete with great size. Refuses to go strong. Ill never understand.
I completely disagree with you.
And I showed you the proof that Williams is a good rebounder (results). All you can give as to him not being, is your opinion.
And no there is not a huge difference in extrapolating from 21mpg to 30mpg. There can be a huge difference in extrapolating <10mpg out to 30.
And I know data and how to analyze it properly, probably better than (or at least as well as) anyone on the message board.
Where are these stats from? The official box score has Williams at -15 and Garrison +6. Still not a great look for Williams, but definitely a much different stat then what the title of the thread lists.
Something that needs to be kept in mind is who else was on the floor while these guys were playing. For example, Perry had a -5, so was Amari on the floor when Perry was on the floor? If that's the case, Amari is being punished for Perry's inability to defend against teams like Alabama. Amari is also being punished for the 2 terrible turnovers Butler had late in the game, both resulting in Bama 3's at the other end. Garrison wouldn't have changed that
Of the 9 players that played vs Alabama, only 3 of them had a + result, and none of them was higher than 6 (Garrison 6, Oweh 3, Butler 1).
Garrison played 19 mins to Williams 22 mins. There's an argument for it to be a little closer to 50/50, but Williams still provided a double-double in this game, although his 5 TO's is too high. I don't know where Garrison's fitness is, but I also know that Williams draws more fouls than Garrison (underrated stat), although Garrison can hit more shots from 3 - - - really they're a good 1-2 punch thunder/lightning when they're both playing to potential
I searched on YouTube "the Catican podcast kentucky" and I don't see anything at all about The Catican channel or The Catican Podcast - a whole bunch of Vatican results and some results for Locked on Kentucky
What am I doing wrong here?
The Catican
Four internet weirdos towing the line between entertaining takes on Kentucky sports and full on cancelation. What could go wrong?
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