What you are hearing, or what you read on KSR, HUGE difference. Everything you posted was exactly what I read in a article on there. If you are truly not "hearing" info from someone and simply reading articles, please do not frame it like you are hearing from people around the team. Not bashing you, just be clear where you are getting info. Hearing and reading are totally different.My guess is we see butler before JR, not liking what I’m hearing about JR and seeing a 3rd specialist. I’m guessing butlers injury could be a pain tolerance issue and maybe hold him till close to SECT time, with JR it just doesn’t sound like he’ll be ready any time soon.