Will Ulis be here next year?
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My only issue with Tyler leaving, is, is he physically ready. He needs to fully mature physically in college. Whenever that happens, it's time for him to go to the NBA. At that point I think he will have a long career. If he leaves too early I can see it shortening his career. The more invested in him, the better, so far as his career s concerned. This year or next, he is gone. Congrats Tyler!
Therein lies the problem. Next year's draft is way stronger than this one. He might go first round this year. He won't next year.
They'd all start together. Gabriel would probably play the 4 and Bam the 5.
Ulis
Fox
Monk
Gabriel
Bam
He's gone.
Andy Kennedy just said he was the best point guard in college basketball.
Will his size limit him in the NBA? Probably but he's not gonna grow any while being at UK lol
Andy Kennedy just said he was the best point guard in college basketball.
Will his size limit him in the NBA? Probably but he's not gonna grow any while being at UK lol
2016 draft looks weak compared to 2017, especially at the guard positions. He's gone after this year.
All of those guys had business going pro. Everyone of the players you listed, minus Aaron Harrison got drafted and made a paycheck. And Aaron Harrison was immediately signed and made a final roster. None of those guys would have benefited much long term from returning to college. Maybe they would have, but the improvement would have been minuscule and it would take a whole lot of hypothetical speculation for you to convince me otherwise.
I would have loved to have every single one of those guys back, but I can't blame a single one for leaving when they did.
Actually if Ulis shows that he can put this team on his back and get them to a FF, he's outta here.
Is that what it's all about? Dakari is making about $30,000 this year, and I believe Andrew is making the same. Lamb made a little over $1 million in NBA money, Teague lasted the length of a standard rookie contract. That isn't making it IMO.
We've seen in recent history that not every scenario is the same. Some guys have come back, even when they were perceived to be top 20 picks - Patterson, WCS, Jones; and some have come back when they were perceived to be fringe late first round picks or early second round picks - Poythress, Andrew and Aaron, maybe even Dakari and Doron after their first season (those last four falling into the second round in any scenario).
Ulis might want another season at Kentucky for his own reasons. Patterson certainly did. Maybe Ulis sees a real shot at a national title in '16-17 if a conglomeration of Skal and some other guys end up sticking around to go with the historically great recruiting class. Ulis is, after all, one of the greater competitors our program has ever seen. He wants to win at the highest levels, and was the most verbal about failing last season.
I think the smart money is that he leaves, but I think it's also stupid for people to write and speak in absolutes at this point.
Ulis might want another season at Kentucky for his own reasons. Patterson certainly did. Maybe Ulis sees a real shot at a national title in '16-17 if a conglomeration of Skal and some other guys end up sticking around to go with the historically great recruiting class. Ulis is, after all, one of the greater competitors our program has ever seen. He wants to win at the highest levels, and was the most verbal about failing last season.
I think the smart money is that he leaves, but I think it's also stupid for people to write and speak in absolutes at this point.
Retaining an NBA contract is almost as important as making it. A more fully-rounded skill set helps guys do that. Tyler is probably actually more rounded than guys like Lamb and Teague, but I get your point.
Adding continued strength and improving his shooting percentages might help Tyler's stock just a bit. Regardless of what some folks say, he has a real shot at being selected in the first round. He just needs to prove he can finish with regularity in traffic, and that requires additional strength. If he returns, it probably means he A. wanted to win it all and B. sees himself as having a shot at a guaranteed contract somewhere down the road.
So you think Matthews, Humphries, and Tai are gone? They're not named Willis and Briscoe.
I think the jury is out on some guys. Most of us thought the 2014-2015 squad wouldn't feature the twins, WCS, or Poythress on it, and yet, there they all were at Big Blue Madness in the fall of 2014.
Also, the jury is out on Skal. Yes, he's probably a top 20 pick regardless; however, so was Jones, so was WCS, and so was Patterson. Sometimes a young man simply isn't ready and sometimes they return for other reasons.
If a clumsy journey-man like Chalmers could make it, Tyler certainly can make it. That said, even if Tyler fails to make the league long-term (which I doubt) there's always the prospect of beating Josh Selby out for a foreign contract.
Such is the curse/blessing-yin/yang factor at UK.
Gotta take the good with the bad, and it's just one aspect of the momentum of great seasons/great individual players who seem to pull everyone with them.
Well, that settles it then. So it is said, so it shall be written.
Your fantasy world must be amazing, you never choose to leave it.
I think he should stay all 4 years. Not for selfish reasons, but I think his size is his "weakness" in scouts' eyes. Besides at the end of 4 years he's done anyway, and he's not walked away from his scholarship only to be drafted over. Like someone said earlier, he's not going to grow anymore in Lexington either, so I'd maximize all my opportunities where I could. Just my opinion . . . it costs what it's worth.
Cal has said many times that they have a lifetime scholarship
he can always come back for his degree
most athletes only have about a 15 year window to make money
they have a lifetime to get a degree
I agree, and disagree.
Lamb wasn't going to get any better. Hope that Championship gets you drafted.
Twins weren't going to get any quicker. Hope 38-0 gets you drafted.
Johnson should have returned. Teague probably too. I actually think Lyles should have returned, he could have been a top 5 pick had he returned.
While I selfishly wanted Booker to return, he did the right thing, a shooter isn't going much higher than he went.
Ulis could maximize his draft stock this spring, in which case it would be in his best interest to go.
Doesn't matter if he needs to physically mature more to play in the NBA. The NBA looks at JRs and especially SRs like there is something wrong with them on draft day. I'm not saying he should go (can't answer that until April or later (after some scout feedback), but I'm saying it is certainly in the realm of possibility that leaving will be what's best for him.
True, I meant more from an opportunity to continue to play bball. Once he turns that down, it's over here.
Cousins, Wall and Knight might want you to regain some of your memory loss there bud. The inflation of Ulis on here continues to amuse me. Very good college player but let's not get carried away. .
all of these kids...all of them...place a higher priority playing professional basketball over college basketball. playing in europe > college.
Terrence Jones had like 20 double doubles in his two years at UK and is forgotten about. but folks LOVE tyler. hell...randle had 24 in once season. 11th all time at UK and he did it just 1 season! no love
I'm probably more from the old school (homer?), growing up thinking UK was the pinnacle of basketball, and you could go on to play pro if you excelled here. I guess times are changing. I'm more of a one step at a time person.
Sad but true. I hate to see guys like Dakari, Marquis Teague, twins, etc walk away from Cal's coaching (which could only help in those cases), more experience, exposure, etc to roll the dice. Sure, those guys can come back for a degree, but they were already here in the first place, only now they're no different than any other student (so to speak). I would at least miss the fan adoration with the opportunity to work on my game/increase my stock. Oh well . . .
I'm just planning on him leaving, that way I won't get upset. Cal was talking about him leaving, during the summer. I mean Cal even told him if you plan on being a 4 year player, UK might not be for you. If Ulis plays like he has these last two games he will be getting a lot of great looks.
I'd love to see him stay all 4 years, but I don't see it. The kid is such a fighter and competitor that I'd easily see him going in the 1st rd, this year.
I'd love to see him stay all 4 years, but I don't see it. The kid is such a fighter and competitor that I'd easily see him going in the 1st rd, this year.
No I don't always agree with it. I actually believe cal has done such a good job at promoting his system that we never stop to look at some of the flaws. We've had more than a few leave that had no business leaving and it hurt their career. This is the ugly side of our system. Players feel pressure to leave quick whether it actually benifits or not. Cal doesn't push'em out, but they understand coming in you need to rush it.
Love cal, don't mind the system, love putting tons of pros in the league and winning. Our image is top shelf for decades.
But will some be glad when things return to a more traditional setting? Probably. And those that prefer it aren't wrong or trolls. It's just different strokes.
