Will kentucky fire mark stoops and hire jon sumrall
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They would if they could but they can't so they won't. It will get epically bad next year
Mitch is sacrificing the success of the program just to attempt to save face. Where is the President?
More like…where are the boosters?
It’s not the boosters problem that we have a foolish athletic director.
Each sec team gets 5m from sec payout…I get that money funds other things…but why we can’t a lot part to buy Stoops out when football has not fired a coach in 13 years is a mystery to me
All the school funding and other items can pause to help the football program get back on track
All the school funding and other items can pause to help the football program get back on track
We've seen the "latest and greatest" so called gurus come and fail here.....Ray, Curry, Mumme, Claiborne. Brooks brought stability, but he didn't accomplish anything special anywhere. Sumrall is the new hot name, but you at least have to check off a more tenured and accomplished name that has seen this level of competition on a consistent basis.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
It’s well known among SEC coaches that he is the next big thing. They even call him baby Kirby in coaching circles
Not great examples. I wasn't around for Ray, so I can't speak as to that. Curry was on the hot seat at Alabama and their fans were happy to see him go. Mumme was a Division 2 coach and was very much an "outside the box" hire. Claiborne had an excellent history but was well into the twilight of his career. But, we could, when and if, we have an opening, look for the proven winner at the highest level. Good luck finding one to come here.
Yes, they are. Ray was the HOT DC for the Irish. Curry went 9-3 and 10-2 for Bama....what the fans wanted is irrelevant. Mumme was the so called offensive wiz in all of football.
As stated a thousand times, UK can't fire stoops and pay him 44 mil. On top of that, I don't think Mitch even would anyway or even wants to. To him he sees "just one bad year". Sumrall is gonna get another job in a couple months most likely. If you're a Kentucky fan you want to root for him to go to a place on par or lesser than UK so we can still pull him from there when the time comes. Thank goodness Florida stuck with their guy and Florida state will do the same because if JS ends up at a place like that then Kentucky probably ain't getting him away.
Good Lord, your football takes are about as bad as your takes on the baseball forum.
Name some names of who you think would come here and be successful.
And what more does Sumrall need to prove at the levels he's coached at to merit deserving a chance at a P4 school?
They aren’t firing Stoops, they are going to get rid of the line coach, maybe his brother and another no-name coach. This upcoming year will be his make or break at UK. If, he doesn’t turn it around like South Carolina did this year with the portal he will be out. IMO
I guess Sumrall needs to go 15-0 at Ohio State before Cole854 would sign off on him to come to KY
In three full seasons Sumrall is 24-2 in October, Nov and December.
In three full seasons Sumrall is 24-2 in October, Nov and December.
I’ve never seen Sumrall referred to as a “guru” of anything. He’s just a ball coach who is about winning. No gimmicks.
As others have stated Stoops is back next year and probably the Season after. Sumerall will be hired by a P4 Conference Team after the Bowl Season. UK's only hope of ever seeing Sumerall as UK's Head Coach is that his next job is a mid tier P4 team where UK might could hire him away when Stoops is finally GONE! The problem will be any Smart AD is going to have a contract with Sumerall that going to cost him and UK an arm and a leg to get him out of his contract. So UK going to have to spend the money sooner or later if they truly want him. It might be cheaper now to get Stoops out and Sumerall in, just don't see Mitch doing it.
To expand on this thought using the last three full seasons (since that’s Sumrall’s head coaching tenure):
Mark Stoops 2022-2024: 18-20
Jon Sumrall 2022-2024: 32-7
I’ll gladly take my ‘chances’ with Sumrall.
Lol. None of those guys you mentioned were ever the "latest and greatest" to anyone in the college football universe. Mumme was the closest thing.
You never know who will be successful, especially here. We've seen this play out. Who in the hell knows about names until they drop their hats in the ring. I'm just saying you don't go all in on a coach who has 2 years at Troy and 1 at Tulane......that is asinine.
None of those guys were getting hired by programs bigger than UK when UK hired them. Just stop. You can't possibly be clueless enough to think that if Alabama actually wanted to retain Curry, they wouldn't have, right? Him leaving Bama to come to UK was about like Cal leaving UK for Arky or Tubby leaving for Minny.
I understand your point and it's valid. However, hiring a homerun HC is a crapshoot, at best. Look no further than Mark Pope. Many people on this board were against his hiring saying 'He can't recruit here', 'BYU is NOT UK', 'not enough experience', etc. Thus far, looks like he's perfect for UK.
Who'd heard of Urban Meyer when he went to Utah? Did very well there but I'd guess many Gator fans were saying, 'Urban who?', 'Mountain West ain't the SEC', 'that'll never work in the SEC', etc.
Sumrall checks a lot of boxes. Has deep ties to UK and would, presumably, stay a long time if hired and even somewhat successful. When he coached here, his rep was a good X-and-O guy and damn good recruiter. Has done well at lower levels as HC so the admin part of coaching seems to be something he can and has handled. Young so could stay 10+ years which is a good thing. Seems to have put together a pretty balanced football philosophy the few games I've watched his teams play - balanced offense with mobile QB, defense can dial up pressure but also sit back in zone. My speculation would be, as young as he is, that he would also be open to modifying his approach as times change while Stoops has coached the same style since Day 1 and doesn't seem to be able or willing to change.
Folks the cult of Sumrall is going to have to chill out. I mean it is out of control. It’s pretty clear he will be coaching somewhere else that more than likely is a better gig by the time this one opens up.
The wish lists need to be guys who aren’t quite popping yet like Sumrall is.
Guys who aren’t quite hot yet but warm. Not sure there’s a defined criteria for that other than if they’re in mainstream sports media discussions it’s probably too late for us.
The wish lists need to be guys who aren’t quite popping yet like Sumrall is.
Guys who aren’t quite hot yet but warm. Not sure there’s a defined criteria for that other than if they’re in mainstream sports media discussions it’s probably too late for us.
UF had their sights on Lane Kiffin. Napier was the head man at a group school with a resume at least on par with Sumrall and they wanted him gone after 2 seasons and half this one. They may have went after Sumrall, but not before being turned down by some successful P4 coaches.
As for FSU, The buyout there is in the Jimbo range, with their construction, legal fees to leave the ACC they don't have the cash to fire him, not many mega rich circus performers. For you younger guys that is in reference to FSU having a traveling circus and offered a bs degree in circus performance. Use to be a women's college too.
The way I see it Sumrall to UNC would not necessarily be a bad spot for Kentucky, as our chances of pulling him from UNC at a later time would at least seem to be realistic. OTOH if he were to land at an Auburn or a Florida, it would be much more difficult.
As for Stoops contrary to what some think, Stoops could find another coaching job, Purdue has been mentioned but there are other possibilities. If so a negotiated deal could be worked out whereby UK would pay him some part of the difference in salaries. That kind of a deal is how a lot of these situations end.
As for Stoops contrary to what some think, Stoops could find another coaching job, Purdue has been mentioned but there are other possibilities. If so a negotiated deal could be worked out whereby UK would pay him some part of the difference in salaries. That kind of a deal is how a lot of these situations end.
If you dont get Sumrall now you never will and he will be in the playoff year in and year out were ever he goes
I think Stoops is done after UK, whenever that is. With his family history I think he is close regardless of what happens at UK . Those millions are no good if it kills you
Unless he retires and walks away from the money (he's not), this is the only way you can get it done. Problem? Just like anyone who has something to sell (a washed football coach in this scenario), you have to have a buyer. Just hope Hunter Yurachek isn't the only incompetent AD looking for a coach.
Nothing is happening until national signing day is in the books. The portal officially is ready to open and more than likely Sumrall's current team is thru for the year - at least officially. Tomorrow is a really big day for Stoops and Marrow. They have lost some really good pieces to the future in the last week. If we lose a lot more tomorrow - then additional pressure will happen and the people with the power will decide what happens to UK football. As fans, we have to remember the true golden rule in this country. He who has the gold - makes the rules! At the moment that is Stoops - but it could change!
Go Big Blue!
No way to know that. There has been no bigger flop of a hot coach who was going to save his alma mater. Scott Frost was coming off and undefeated season, claiming a NC and the savior of Nebraska football and was a disaster.
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These records don't tell a full story. Let's be honest in acknowledging that Stoops would probably have a better record against Troy/Tulane opponents, and Sumrall would probably have a worse record against UK's opponents. Billy Napier had a great record against the Sun Belt too.
I like Sumrall a lot. But what's his record against the Top 25?
So we stay with a coach that let's his players run amuck and has the program now in the same state that he inherited . That's really asinine
The reason those places decided to stick with their current coach is also the buyout.
I expect negotiations to change in the next few years. ADs won’t continue to strap themselves to a lame duck coach. Giving huge Buyouts hasn’t worked well.
No one is saying stay with Stoops, it's the expectations getting put on a possible new coach who has never been the man in charge of a P4 program. He may very well go 11-1 every year, but there is also the possibility of 5-7 every year. Coaching against failed P4 coaches who went down a level is different than coaching against successful p4 coaches. Sumerall checks all the boxes, but no one is a sure thing. And there are more teams fighting for playoff spots than the SEC will get.
