Why is Moderna not under investigation?

[gamecockcat]

Moderna was one of two main companies who were awarded the government's approval for their COVID vaccine. To date, as far as I can tell from my research, that vaccine is the only drug Moderna has successfully brought to market. It is a relatively new company and certainly wasn't a competitor of the Big Pharma companies until COVID. Due to their vaccine, which was rushed to market with limited (if any) testing, the company realized BILLIONS in revenue and profits and their stock price went from just a few dollars to >$300 in a very short time.

For the first half of this year, Moderna's revenue was $400 MILLION (not billion) and their stock closed around $37/share today. They are hemorrhaging cash and their CF from Operations has been negative for several quarters now.

I believe an investigation into how this no-name company with no other drugs on the market managed to get a huge cash infusion due to COVID when Merck, Eli Lilly, Bristol Myers Squibb, et al were not is warranted. I would not be surprised if the FDA and/or NIH received tons of cash from Moderna. I would not be surprised if some Congresspeople also received kickbacks from Moderna. In my opinion, something smells to high heaven about this company and their COVID vaccine approval when they literally haven't brought one other drug to market. Oh, and their vaccine has been the one that has generally caused the most adverse reactions, also.

Shouldn't someone in our government look into this and find out if there is billions of dollars of corruption/fraud surrounding this company and the approval of its vaccine? And, if so, shouldn't several people be looking at significant jail time?

 

[It'saDoneDeal]

GD I really hate this board.

 

[BeaveUKGT]

Congrats to the OP for being asleep the last five years.

 

[WayneDougan]

I'm not an expert but let me help you out:

• Moderna was focused on developing mRNA vaccines
• mRNA appeared to be the best bet in terms a vaccine for COVID
• Moderna was granted an emergency waiver to bring their vaccine to the market for COVID
• Moderna's vaccine seemed to be a very effective approach for stopping, I mean preventing, I mean lessening the effects of COVID-19 with no, I mean some, side effects.
• Nobody wants COVID vaccines anymore because of what I wrote above
• They have a few other products, but nothing to the scale of their COVID vaccine

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

Moderna was one of two main companies who were awarded the government's approval for their COVID vaccine. To date, as far as I can tell from my research, that vaccine is the only drug Moderna has successfully brought to market. It is a relatively new company and certainly wasn't a competitor of the Big Pharma companies until COVID. Due to their vaccine, which was rushed to market with limited (if any) testing, the company realized BILLIONS in revenue and profits and their stock price went from just a few dollars to >$300 in a very short time.

For the first half of this year, Moderna's revenue was $400 MILLION (not billion) and their stock closed around $37/share today. They are hemorrhaging cash and their CF from Operations has been negative for several quarters now.

I believe an investigation into how this no-name company with no other drugs on the market managed to get a huge cash infusion due to COVID when Merck, Eli Lilly, Bristol Myers Squibb, et al were not is warranted. I would not be surprised if the FDA and/or NIH received tons of cash from Moderna. I would not be surprised if some Congresspeople also received kickbacks from Moderna. In my opinion, something smells to high heaven about this company and their COVID vaccine approval when they literally haven't brought one other drug to market. Oh, and their vaccine has been the one that has generally caused the most adverse reactions, also.

Shouldn't someone in our government look into this and find out if there is billions of dollars of corruption/fraud surrounding this company and the approval of its vaccine? And, if so, shouldn't several people be looking at significant jail time?

If you've done the research, then why is the rest of your post full of speculation and calls for government investigations? Why not just hand over your research findings to the DOJ?

 

[JonathanW]

Moderna was one of two main companies who were awarded the government's approval for their COVID vaccine. To date, as far as I can tell from my research, that vaccine is the only drug Moderna has successfully brought to market. It is a relatively new company and certainly wasn't a competitor of the Big Pharma companies until COVID. Due to their vaccine, which was rushed to market with limited (if any) testing, the company realized BILLIONS in revenue and profits and their stock price went from just a few dollars to >$300 in a very short time.

For the first half of this year, Moderna's revenue was $400 MILLION (not billion) and their stock closed around $37/share today. They are hemorrhaging cash and their CF from Operations has been negative for several quarters now.

I believe an investigation into how this no-name company with no other drugs on the market managed to get a huge cash infusion due to COVID when Merck, Eli Lilly, Bristol Myers Squibb, et al were not is warranted. I would not be surprised if the FDA and/or NIH received tons of cash from Moderna. I would not be surprised if some Congresspeople also received kickbacks from Moderna. In my opinion, something smells to high heaven about this company and their COVID vaccine approval when they literally haven't brought one other drug to market. Oh, and their vaccine has been the one that has generally caused the most adverse reactions, also.

Shouldn't someone in our government look into this and find out if there is billions of dollars of corruption/fraud surrounding this company and the approval of its vaccine? And, if so, shouldn't several people be looking at significant jail time?

I work in this industry. I actually had a job offer from Moderna during Covid as they were close to finishing the primary vaccine study, to lead their statistical analysis efforts.

There are hundreds, probably a thousand, Biotechs. Most of them have <5 molecules/compounds/biologicals in their pipeline. Most are not publicly traded and rely upon investors. Many of them won’t last 10 years, because the vast majority of drugs tested won’t work or aren’t safe.
So it’s no surprise that one of these smaller companies came out with one of the 2-3 covid vaccines.

 

[funKYcat75]

I'm not an expert but let me help you out:

• Moderna was focused on developing mRNA vaccines
• mRNA appeared to be the best bet in terms a vaccine for COVID
• Moderna was granted an emergency waiver to bring their vaccine to the market for COVID
• Moderna's vaccine seemed to be a very effective approach for stopping, I mean preventing, I mean lessening the effects of COVID-19 with no, I mean some, side effects.
• Nobody wants COVID vaccines anymore because of what I wrote above
• They have a few other products, but nothing to the scale of their COVID vaccine

Question has been answered. Lock the thread before the shit show begins.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I took the Moderna shot and booster and it knocked me TF out. Like I was completely destroyed for a couple days after each shot. As a matter of fact I got COVID a couple months after and knew that’s what it was because it felt like an extremely mild form of the shot I got. Never got that again. Lord what an awful time that was.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Moderna was one of two main companies who were awarded the government's approval for their COVID vaccine. To date, as far as I can tell from my research, that vaccine is the only drug Moderna has successfully brought to market. It is a relatively new company and certainly wasn't a competitor of the Big Pharma companies until COVID. Due to their vaccine, which was rushed to market with limited (if any) testing, the company realized BILLIONS in revenue and profits and their stock price went from just a few dollars to >$300 in a very short time.

For the first half of this year, Moderna's revenue was $400 MILLION (not billion) and their stock closed around $37/share today. They are hemorrhaging cash and their CF from Operations has been negative for several quarters now.

I believe an investigation into how this no-name company with no other drugs on the market managed to get a huge cash infusion due to COVID when Merck, Eli Lilly, Bristol Myers Squibb, et al were not is warranted. I would not be surprised if the FDA and/or NIH received tons of cash from Moderna. I would not be surprised if some Congresspeople also received kickbacks from Moderna. In my opinion, something smells to high heaven about this company and their COVID vaccine approval when they literally haven't brought one other drug to market. Oh, and their vaccine has been the one that has generally caused the most adverse reactions, also.

Shouldn't someone in our government look into this and find out if there is billions of dollars of corruption/fraud surrounding this company and the approval of its vaccine? And, if so, shouldn't several people be looking at significant jail time?

Not that I want to get into it but just reviewing wiki will answer a lot of your questions. Your main points get shot down pretty quickly.

 

[Nightwish84]

I took the Moderna shot and booster and was fine. My arm hurt just a little for a few hours but other than that, no side effects. Haven't gotten covid either, whether before the vax or after. Guess I'm doing something right.

 

[rick64]

Unless something major changes, I'm not getting any more COVID boosters. Only gotten 1 booster about 3 years ago, and none since.

 

[Tskware]

I took the Moderna shot and booster and was fine. My arm hurt just a little for a few hours but other than that, no side effects. Haven't gotten covid either, whether before the vax or after. Guess I'm doing something right.

Same here and have had both Pfizer and Moderna. And got the booster this fall when I got the flu shot. Only had COVID once and recovered in 3 days and 2 of those days I would have gone to work because I didn't feel all that bad, except I was testing positive.

But I guess I'm lucky because I almost never have any reaction to any medication.

 

[catlanta33]

Unless something major changes, I'm not getting any more COVID boosters. Only gotten 1 booster about 3 years ago, and none since.

Our immune systems are the best thing we have to fight against covid and offer the longest immunity because it's natural. If you're alive, it's a good bet you're going to be one of the 99% plus that moves through it like it's nothing.

 

[cole854]

I did covid injections of the virus itself for the first week, and took super beets. I felt like Tuco Salamanca after a hit of Blue Magic.

That said, boosters are as pointless as this thread. Moderna is going to skate and John Legend will keep getting royalties for his asinine commercial.

Now, if we want to talk about Mpox, then let's roll.

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

Covid threads are like crack, grilling, pedo teachers, celebrity death, and titties all rolled together.

 

[ukalum1988]

Unless something major changes, I'm not getting any more COVID boosters. Only gotten 1 booster about 3 years ago, and none since.

I didn't want to take the original shot, but very reluctantly did so under duress from my wife, my 87-yr old MIL, and a certain extent from my employer.

The government started aggressively pushing the boosters, and my wife and my MIL got boosted. When I saw people who had gotten boosted getting COVID, I said "Fvck no" to that. I'll never forget the Psy-Op "If you get the vaccine you won't get COVID", etc etc.

Anthony Fauci and his ilk belong in prison for what they've done. F them.

 

[TucsonCat]

I agree with OP that they obviously paid off FDA and President Donald Trump who fast tracked the vaccines. I just hope Biden can get to the bottom before the administration that perpetuated this hoax comes back in to power and squashes any investigation in to it.

 

[WTF Cat]

Moderna is getting what they deserve: their stock was $450 in Sept 21, $160 back in May, and is now $36.

Pure scam.

 

[Someguywhodoesntlikeyou]

Our immune systems are the best thing we have to fight against covid and offer the longest immunity because it's natural. If you're alive, it's a good bet you're going to be one of the 99% plus that moves through it like it's nothing.

My mother, a healthy and active 72 year old woman, died from complications brought on by Covid.

Maybe you can dig her up and lecture her about her immune system.

 

[WTF Cat]

My mother, a healthy and active 72 year old woman, died from complications brought on by Covid.

Maybe you can dig her up and lecture her about her immune system.

Sorry to hear, but shouldn't your ire be directed at Fauci?

 

[Deeeefense]

IMO The Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest achievements of the decade. Early reports from experts said it might take 5 years to develop and effective vaccine but they did it in less than 1. The Moderna vaccine is highly effective in preventing COVID or significant reduction the symptoms (see chart below). There have been some reports of adverse reactions to the Moderna and others. Those that point out the adverse reactions to the vaccine are not wrong, but the number and severity of the reactions are miniscule. The vaccine's net positive - meaning lives saved, compared to lives possible lost is hugely in favor of the vaccine.

 

[Someguywhodoesntlikeyou]

Sorry to hear, but shouldn't your ire be directed at Fauci?

Why?

Why should I be mad at doctors and scientists? Should I be mad at the doctors and nurses who I saw stretch themselves to their breaking points to save my mothers life (and others) even though they failed?

I have zero doubts that if the vaccines had been available my mother would still be alive. And I will never forget the kindness and work doctors, nurses and hospital staff did to try to save my mother’s life. Those people are saints in my humble opinion. Truly doing the Lord’s work. Not only treating her but giving her comfort in her last moments.

 

[WayneDougan]

IMO The Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest achievements of the decade. Early reports from experts said it might take 5 years to develop and effective vaccine but they did it in less than 1. The Moderna vaccine is highly effective in preventing COVID or significant reduction the symptoms (see chart below). There have been some reports of adverse reactions to the Moderna and others. Those that point out the adverse reactions to the vaccine are not wrong, but the number and severity of the reactions are miniscule. The vaccine's net positive - meaning lives saved, compared to lives possible lost is hugely in favor of the vaccine.

I am not disagreeing with you, but...

• I read early on that this type of virus was easier to develop a vaccine for given the way it mutates (esp. compared to the flu).
• The virus definitely weakened over time as Fauci and other experts said it would.

 

[JumperJack]

Why?

Why should I be mad at doctors and scientists? Should I be mad at the doctors and nurses who I saw stretch themselves to their breaking points to save my mothers life (and others) even though they failed?

I have zero doubts that if the vaccines had been available my mother would still be alive. And I will never forget the kindness and work doctors, nurses and hospital staff did to try to save my mother’s life. Those people are saints in my humble opinion. Truly doing the Lord’s work. Not only treating her but giving her comfort in her last moments.

You’re not mad at the bureaucracy that brought the virus into the world, lied about its origins, shutdown our society based on nothing but guesses, caused incalculable financial and social damage, and redirected an election?

Not even a little mad?

 

[Someguywhodoesntlikeyou]

You’re not mad at the bureaucracy that brought the virus into the world, lied about its origins, shutdown our society based on nothing but guesses, caused incalculable financial and social damage, and redirected an election?

Not even a little mad?

I’m sorry but I’m going to dismiss anyone out of hand who peddles in conspiracy theories.

 

[WTF Cat]

Why?

Why should I be mad at doctors and scientists? Should I be mad at the doctors and nurses who I saw stretch themselves to their breaking points to save my mothers life (and others) even though they failed?

I have zero doubts that if the vaccines had been available my mother would still be alive. And I will never forget the kindness and work doctors, nurses and hospital staff did to try to save my mother’s life. Those people are saints in my humble opinion. Truly doing the Lord’s work. Not only treating her but giving her comfort in her last moments.

I made no mention of doctors or scientists. Let reading comprehension be your friend.

 

[JumperJack]

I’m sorry but I’m going to dismiss anyone out of hand who peddles in conspiracy theories.

Ah, “conspiracy”.

Alrighty then.

 

[Someguywhodoesntlikeyou]

I really feel for some of you.

Have a good day.

 

[WTF Cat]

I’m sorry but I’m going to dismiss anyone out of hand who peddles in conspiracy theories.

Wait... what? Have you not watched Fauchi lie re gain of function and Wuhan bat causation?

Have you been in a cave the last few years?

I'll tell you what: don't even bother. I put people like you on ignore anyway. SMMFH

 

[Nightwish84]

You’re not mad at the bureaucracy that brought the virus into the world, lied about its origins, shutdown our society based on nothing but guesses, caused incalculable financial and social damage, and redirected an election?

Not even a little mad?

So you want people mad about everything, including society? What good does staying pissed off at the world do?

 

[thebluestripes]

fauci is a demonic troll.

 

[catlanta33]

My mother, a healthy and active 72 year old woman, died from complications brought on by Covid.

Maybe you can dig her up and lecture her about her immune system.

K, lunatic.

 

[Nightwish84]

It's important to mention that in real life no one here is calling someone a lunatic to their face after that person said their mother died from covid complications. I guess catlanta thinks being edgy online is cool in 2024 but in real life he's backing down and saying "sorry for your loss. We'll just agree to disagree." You know, because that's what normal people with compassion do when they're face to face.

Also important to note that Fauci isn't going to prison and it's kinda odd to focus any of your energy on wishing that into existence. Again, in real life no one here would be able to find five people in their lives who have a passionate stance on Anthony Fauci deserving prison time.

 

[JumperJack]

I’m sorry but I’m going to dismiss anyone out of hand who peddles in conspiracy theories.

 

[gamecockcat]

How many of our members of Congress (and others, of course) profited greatly from Moderna and Pfizer's vaccine monopoly? Feb 2020, Moderna's stock price was hovering around $20 as it had been for a few years. Sept 2021, it topped out at > $400. Today, it's low 30s with basically no other products on the market and the COVID vaccine hysteria has dried up. Maybe Moderna is not the culprit - I'm willing to believe that. But, I'd be very interested to know how many of our elected representatives took advantage of foreknowledge re: which firms would be granted government approval for their vaccine and just how much those representatives made from trading on inside information. The very questionable trading practices within the halls of Congress needs to be stopped. Several of our representatives on both sides have somehow managed to outgain the S&P 500 index by 50% annually or more on a consistent basis. There is no way that happens without inside information.

 

[ukcatz12]

Some of you really need to learn the difference between a lie and something that becomes incorrect as the science around a topic evolves.

 

[TucsonCat]

How many of our members of Congress (and others, of course) profited greatly from Moderna and Pfizer's vaccine monopoly? Feb 2020, Moderna's stock price was hovering around $20 as it had been for a few years. Sept 2021, it topped out at > $400. Today, it's low 30s with basically no other products on the market and the COVID vaccine hysteria has dried up. Maybe Moderna is not the culprit - I'm willing to believe that. But, I'd be very interested to know how many of our elected representatives took advantage of foreknowledge re: which firms would be granted government approval for their vaccine and just how much those representatives made from trading on inside information. The very questionable trading practices within the halls of Congress needs to be stopped. Several of our representatives on both sides have somehow managed to outgain the S&P 500 index by 50% annually or more on a consistent basis. There is no way that happens without inside information.

Members of Congress had nothing to do with vaccine producer chosen.

FDA commissioner, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the President in 2020 who appointed them would be 100% responsible of that choice and how the knowledge was shared. We should see if they, or inner circle profited first. Including children, Saudi money lenders, mistresses, etc especially if any have been convicted of fraud against say charities. That's who the first investigations should be into.

 

[HymanKaplan]

I would not be surprised if some Congresspeople also received kickbacks from Moderna.

You have answered your own question...

 

[PhDcat2018]

I took the Moderna shot and booster and it knocked me TF out. Like I was completely destroyed for a couple days after each shot. As a matter of fact I got COVID a couple months after and knew that’s what it was because it felt like an extremely mild form of the shot I got. Never got that again. Lord what an awful time that was.

Took Pfizer. Same thing. Might have actually gotten the OG covid before the shots but unsure. I've had it 3 times since the "vaccine".

 

[gamecockcat]

Members of Congress had nothing to do with vaccine producer chosen.

FDA commissioner, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the President in 2020 who appointed them would be 100% responsible of that choice and how the knowledge was shared. We should see if they, or inner circle profited first. Including children, Saudi money lenders, mistresses, etc especially if any have been convicted of fraud against say charities. That's who the first investigations should be into.

Agree. Still have to figure some knew since they have eyes and ears all over DC. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe none of Congress reps profited criminally from Moderna's meteoric appreciation due to vaccine approval. With all the speculation and evidence about how many of them have greatly outperformed the market indices, it stands to reason that it's possible several did, though.