Why cant Stoops Recruit an SEC calibre QB.
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Alabama conceded 8-9 years after winning 3-4 titles. They haven't pulled in a recruiting class ranked lower than 5 in over a decade. They've filled holes and brought in stars with the portal as good as anybody.
It's easier said then done. If going up tempo, and spreading em out was this perfect fix, everyone would run it.
Thank you!
When they rush 3 and get to your QB, that's not good. 8 in coverage is tough to throw against.
Agreed that Levis does hold too long as well. That excentuates weak OL play. And really they weren't horrible vs Ole Miss. Has this guy broke down South Carolina yet?
Sorry, but mine isn't tempo as much as it is scoring. Must be scoring 30+ppg
Stoops is banking on being a "pro style" offense bringing in better QB play. He has also went the NFL route with coordinator to help with recruiting. That may work for a while, but lack of stats and points will still eventually bring it back down to Eddie Gran quality QB play. Scang was terrible calling plays in Denver. He averaged only 16 or 17 PPG which was bottom four in the league. Unless he hits that magical 30+ mark in college football then this offense will have no better results or recruits than Stoops previous years..
Eventually it will also come down to touches. Running at the bottom of college football in snaps per game doesn't allow a lot of opportunities for deep receiving corps and quality running backs.. We are stuck in archaic offensive philosophy..
Eventually it will also come down to touches. Running at the bottom of college football in snaps per game doesn't allow a lot of opportunities for deep receiving corps and quality running backs.. We are stuck in archaic offensive philosophy..
I agree about running the play clock down but if you don't think we would have been better off with more Rodriguez we are in total disagreement.
Is O'Neil rated a 5.6 3 star really a 5 star or are we settling for a 3 star because of our rep for running the ball? Thought with a large abundance of top WR's and TE's we would be able to draw a true 5 star.
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Not yet . I thought the video was interesting but I guess I’m a football nerd , lol . I just like to see what’s actually going on. It amazing to me how many people wont take the time to watch a 30 minute film breakdown but will argue their opinion without really knowing if it is correct.
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I love film breakdown. TV view is great for in the moment, but you don't see everything.
There aren’t that many 5 star quarterbacks and they ALL think they are going to be ”the man “ at Georgia , Bama, OSU, Clemson, USC , etc. It’s a crap shoot anyway when it comes to quarterbacks. Spencer Rattler was the no1 quarterback recruit in the country. Levis was a 3 star , Joey Gatewood was a high 4 star that doesnt even play quarterback anymore.
Not saying Rodriguez running more wouldn't help. Just saying when you run 66 plays and the RB is getting over half of them, then top notch QBs and WR may look elsewhere. We are back to being the equivalent of a four corner offense. Try to kill as much clock as you can and keep the defense off the field. Stoops has been successful playing this way, but until Coen come on board we struggled to recruit quality receivers and QBs. We seem to be getting back to that slow play of football again this year. Will recruiting suffer because of it?
Miami 303 p, 50 r
Florida 202 p, 70 r
YSU 377 p, 103 r
NIU 303 p, 103 r
Ole Miss 220 p, 108 r
South Carolina 178 p, 121 r
Does the stats look like a rush first team burning clock? If anything, I think the stats show a team that has struggled running all year and has struggled passing against its conference foes.
I said we were playing "slow" football again. Snap at the end of the play clock and try to shorten then game. That might be the best option to win, but it also leads to fewer plays and less targets and runs for our talented skill players. We are #111 in snaps per game and outside of last year have always been toward the bottom of college football in that category...Will limited plays start impacting recruiting again since Coen has left?
Yes. He decommitted when the Mumme staff crap came out. His dad is a friend of mine from HS & attended UK.
I think your attack on Barker's ability is uncalled for nonsense. Barker throws 5 TD passes in his first half of starting, gets a back injury & is never the same. How does that in any way make him not good enough to start for UK? Totally sh!tty on your part.
BTW, wherever one is from, it's always originally.
I am always in favor of the best way to win. If you win enough everything tends to take care of itself. I actually do agree with you about using the entire play clock too often. I think that results from overly complicated blocking schemes that are assigned at the line.
How noticeable was this during the first 4 games? I don't remember reading about it, and I didn't notice it myself. While accurate, losing makes it stand out in questioning "what did we do wrong?"
Recruiting is a strange bird sometimes. Over half the '22 class was committed before the season was into October (aka before you could pitch "look at what we are doing"). However, 3 of the 7 are vital cogs who play as freshman.
The only concern I see with the current class is zero translation of the '21 production and player quality into a high end QB and RB yet.
People love to play the Stoops development card a lot, but look at how many of the top 300 type kids from last year are already contributing. The more of them you have, the quicker they typically play.
Mark this name down. He is now for high and will be a stud at the next level. Duece Bailey at Bowling Green High. He is a sophomore this year. Even better they have a freshman tailback who will be the next 5 star KY running back who will probably go to Bama. Kid is special. Had 149 rushing and 110 receiving against South Watten
Guys there are not a lot of top tier, change and/or carry a program QBs out there.
The bigger problem is that it seems CMS and the different offensive staffs he’s had haven’t wanted to or been capable of developing a guy over 2-3 years.
It’s basically been bring in a transfer and run off the guy already on roster who was recruited.
If as a staff you’re looking at your QB situation and saying “Back up so n so isn’t the guy, after he’s been in the program for 2-3 years…” that’s an indictment on you…not the kid.
At some point coaches have to be held responsible for COACHING…not just finding…
Whether you’re talking Eddie Gran who would rather play an rb/wr at qb or Scang who apparently didn’t want to or thought he couldn’t coach BA up, and brings in a transfer as opposed to developing KS…HEY FELLAS YOU GET PAID TO COACH N DEVELOP…
Tim couch, Jared Lorenzen, Andre Woodson… 3 of the best this program has seen QBs…all recruited, coached, and developed…
Even Mike Hartline was productive…just nothing else was in a good spot up n down the program…Patty ice…pretty good but again program was rough…
Now it’s reverse...the program across the board is in a good spot. No rebuilding, no probation recovery, got the talent n depth, athletic dept. is spending the money, etc…cant coach n develop a QB…
The bigger problem is that it seems CMS and the different offensive staffs he’s had haven’t wanted to or been capable of developing a guy over 2-3 years.
It’s basically been bring in a transfer and run off the guy already on roster who was recruited.
If as a staff you’re looking at your QB situation and saying “Back up so n so isn’t the guy, after he’s been in the program for 2-3 years…” that’s an indictment on you…not the kid.
At some point coaches have to be held responsible for COACHING…not just finding…
Whether you’re talking Eddie Gran who would rather play an rb/wr at qb or Scang who apparently didn’t want to or thought he couldn’t coach BA up, and brings in a transfer as opposed to developing KS…HEY FELLAS YOU GET PAID TO COACH N DEVELOP…
Tim couch, Jared Lorenzen, Andre Woodson… 3 of the best this program has seen QBs…all recruited, coached, and developed…
Even Mike Hartline was productive…just nothing else was in a good spot up n down the program…Patty ice…pretty good but again program was rough…
Now it’s reverse...the program across the board is in a good spot. No rebuilding, no probation recovery, got the talent n depth, athletic dept. is spending the money, etc…cant coach n develop a QB…
Barker was. unstoppable in the first half. Don't know how people forget that.
Would you rather have suffered last year with BA and then based this year on his development?
Or do you like Levis?
Portal is the kids more than coaches. Although some are pushed towards it I'm sure. Still, BA seems content playing at his new school vs riding the bench behind Levis. It's their college career.
I still don't know if his after-injury problem was/is pain/restricted motion/mental concern for permanent reinjury.
Don't know if it was ever made clear. HiPPA rules make it almost impossible to find out someone's medical condition unless you are a family member
Suffered?
How do we know what BA would or could have done?
LC running the offense, that OL, the year C-rod had…a lot of QBs would have done okay I think…
I’m glad Levis has done what he’s done, but id say he’s an exception. Especially for Kentucky.
If there isn’t another first round caliber guy beating down our portal door next season I’d just as soon throw Sherron or even a freshman, if CMS Scang can haul in an upper tier guy, to the wolves and let them develop into something.
Take the lumps next year… reap the rewards the following years
Where did he transfer to? For every Stetson Bennett, there are 1000 guys who drop levels and never return. It wasn't meant as an offensive thing. Merely, if he could have done well on the UK roster last year in this hypothetical, hypothetically a D1 school would have been his transfer destination.
he wasn't the only problem, I agree, but he was one of them. I won't say he can't ever play on this level because I believe he can but he wasn't ready and part of the issues we have with the staff were due to his limitations.
