Sure have. Guy Morriss and Rich Brooks and Fran Curci and Jerry Claiborne. What about you?
Why cant Stoops Recruit an SEC calibre QB.
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I'm from NKY as well and felt the same about Barker. I thought Towles would turn out better than he did though. He was great at Highlands.
We are #111 in the nation in plays per game. Just not a lot of opportunities to go around. Freddie said he wanted to see CRod with around 30 carries last night. Considering we only average 66 snaps per game, that wouldn't leave a lot of chances for the other kids to touch the ball.. We play really slow football.
Brooks and stoops for me. I am a little less seasoned, I just find it curious how you can like any of those guys if you aren’t a stoops guy as stoops would be considered more
Successful than the others. Only argument that can be made is a more watered down schedule now affects the overall record, but that didn’t help Joker Phillips much. Coach makes a big difference and I will never understand a person who is a Kentucky fan but doesn’t love and appreciate Stoops.
brooks probably would have been just as good if not better if Mitch would have given him the support stoops received.
Hoping after stoops we have the ability to find a coach that can build upon the foundation and not tear it down like Joker did.
This is true and baffles me how we can have so much offensive talent but want to play dean smith type football. I know our line play sucks but maybe if we were ever the aggressor in a game and didn’t allow the defense 35 seconds a snap to get ready and sub and rest it would help.
it was absolutely infuriating to watch in the late third quarter/early forth when it was a two score game and we were still running 35-39 seconds off the clock for every play.
This strategy may be nice with a 2 score lead, but when you get behind do we just not care? do we not coach in practice that in certain situations like being down by two scores late in the game we have to move a little faster?
maybe I’m just not very smart but seems like basic stuff to me.
There’s no way you were able to sit through brooks without bitching and moaning. No way.
And THAT IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH OUR OFFENSE.
If you notice our offense and especially WL are much better in the 2 minute or hurry up offense.
The snails pace we play at for the entire game never allows the offense to get in any kind of rhythm.
What I don't know, is this by design? Is this the pace CMS wants to play offense at to keep the defense on the sideline longer??
Or, is Scang's offense so complicated it takes this long to get the play communicated from the sideline and called in the huddle???
If I could get in on the call in show tomorrow night, I would ask CMS and also IF HE has any plans to speed up the offense. Other teams are getting 90+ snaps on offense and we are in the 60s. That is a recipe for disaster.
Our local media won't have the courage to ask him the tough questions, but they need to be asked.
Not convinced he's committed to it yet. time will tell. There seems to be a great qb prospect in the state who's been offered by a lot if the biggies, including Bama. Quess we'll see if they can keep him home
No ...you are totally correct. If Saban figured it out and changed it's time for a change.
Yea, Sheron was pretty awful but I expected that. He's not an SEC caliber QB. And he never had thrown a pass before Saturday night.
I have said for the past two years that we were a turned ankle away from disaster and we saw that disaster Saturday night. I just don't understand not having a backup plan and never getting live game reps for the backup.
I left early in the 4Q because it was painfully obvious we weren't gonna do anything on offense and the defense had given up. Just a pathetic all around game.
Just not very skilledHow many QB's have we had under Stoops who did not retire after their collegiate experience expired ??
By historical standards over the past 20 years, not including Levis, Johnson stacks up pretty well.
We were lucky he came our way out of JUCO, imho. He was a leader with a huge valentine ...
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Sheron wasn’t the problem, he could have done some things better sure, but the staff did him no favors considering it was his first start, and his teammates didn’t help him much either
I think stoops used to look at the QB position like the Iowa coach does, a game manager who supports the run game and the defense, never the focal point of the offense, times have changed, levis is the best player, that’s a start, but in recruiting you need to find guys who are similar and can throw the ball and make plays
Well you can see it how you want. But the way this thread reads is Sheron was fine it was the Oline that was the reason for a bad offensive game....and that simply wasn't the case.
Sheron and Scangerello were pretty bad and gave me no hope he's the answer after Levis leaves. We ran the ball just fine in the USC game. The pass blocking was not great by any means....but 6 sacks is not fair to pin on the Oline. The QB simply has to read it and throw it and not get scared out of your mind in the pocket so much
Sheron wasn’t great by any means, but his first game starting I expect the staff to have a better game plan in place, so I will lean more towards scangerallo for the blame. Sheron was put in a terrible situation, with a terrible o-line and bad play calling. Better pocket awareness would have helped him, but the o-line and scangerallos terrible plays were probably to much for him to overcome
Again...it was not terrible OLine play. Not great but I'd call it solid to average Oline game.
1. UK rushed for 154 yards and 6 yards per carry. We ran it right down their throats the entire first half.
2. Why UK went away from it so much....Scangerello has to answer for it.
3. Sheron was killing promising drives with taking dumbass sacks.....when you take a sack and in 2nd and 20 stuff....the QB is the one killing those drives....not bad Oline play. He needed to stay in pocket, deliver good balls or throw it away a ton more. He alone killed 3 drives when the game was in play with stupid decisions.
I'm fine with Sheron is young and Scangerello gameplan was a problem....but the Oline is getting crushed when they actually were not bad at all. Sheron looked like the same kid trying to run around Somerset defenses where he could be in shotgun and run around to improvise a play....that crap ain't working in SEC and Sheron is not a top notch athlete to get away with anything.
SCAR has four sacks all year, they got 5 this game, at the end Of the day levis masked alot of our issues
Sheron wasn’t good and the Oline wasn’t either lol. The gameplan was even worse. But this is deeper than one game. We have not been good on offense all year. At some point we have to pick up the pace to give us more opportunities and stop trying to protect the defense
I addressed this in another thread....look at the sacks. All but 2 were on Sheron....and if anything Levis has been pretty bad this year at holding the ball too long vs last year. Smells like Coen coached it up better than Scangerello has.
1. First play of game....Sheron has to see safety is on the edge showing pressure and get us out of that play or CRod needs to keep it. 100% coaching is the flub or QB job to get us out of that play.
2. 1:15 mark...Bad Oline job of initial pressure by Cox....but Sheron steps away from pressure and can throw it away at any time...adn just takes an uneccessary sack.
3. 915 mark....this one is on the Oline....but look at the scheme. You're asking Buford to zone block (on a read option play fake) a guy lined up on Masnning....and reach block him inside of him where the QB is just sitting there......that is scheme and Ol
4. 9:52 mark....Sheron in shotgun had a perfectly clean pocket but he drifts back and tries to outrun edge rushers....that is not on OLline.....you can't leave your tackles hung out to dry like that.
5. 13:53 mark....CB blitz and Sheron doesn't see it...McClain needed to set the edge better as the RB. He is way too far inside and it disrupts Sheron too much.....but the Oline pocket was clean. That was a RB/QB issue...not the Oline
6. 15:33 mark....Sheron again....won't stay in pocket...floats back and tries to outrun defenders. Just see throw the ball
7. 16:15 mark...>Sheron again. Pocket is there....get rid of the ball. Instead he ducks his head and takes another sack vs. getting read of the ball.
I am not saying we have a good Oline...they are poor. But the QB not getting rid of the ball and running too many deep routes is as much the problem as the Oline.
Wasn't Drew Barker a four star? Towles was pretty well regarded as well. Mac Jones and Jarren Williams definitely threw a wrench in our recruiting of Qb's as well.
As far as the schedule it should be noted we only had a 6 game SEC schedule up till about '86.
True,but they seem get other high level talent in other spots.
I truly think it's because of their offensive scheme. Stoops, at his core is piund it and play defense. Kids can grasp it when they talk to them.
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If teams are getting to your future pro QB, one who has a reputation for holding the ball too long and not feeling pressure, why did you think his backup was going to do better?
Do you not think South Carolina schemed for a first time starter with a handful of snaps in his pocket?
You make a good point...the QB sacks are the worst problem on the team now that run game is back with CRod. But we'll be going down a path of how much of the problem is not enough time vs. not getting the ball out quicker by the QBs. Sort of chicken or egg argument.
'Special' season over now. Hopefully they will start setting up the run with the pass and let Levis show recruits we are more of a passing team than before. Would like to enjoy a few games where we get some big leads early. Seems we always play to win by a field goal or TD so things don't get out of control using the passing game more.
NC State rallied from 14 down against FSU to win with a backup QB, Illinois beat Iowa (awful offense but VERY strong defense) with a backup QB, Louisville won on the road by 17 with a backup QB. So . . . it is not impossible to have more than one QB.
Kirby and Stoops are cut from the same pattern, we have had games we ran less than 60 plays, with the best receiving TE I have seen in college, another who is a physical mismat h for anybody, a sub 10.1 100m guy at WR, multiple other WR who will get their shot, at least 8 OL who will be drafted, and Kirby wants the ball snapped under 5 sec 95% of the time
Yeah but it is a pretty good philosophy when you have a better player at every single position until you get to the playoffs. But then it’s a crapshoot anyways.
To be fair, without being on the UK staff, we'll never know that for certain on every play. I do implore people who wonder to re-watch the games that they can with a stop watch. Check the times.
Sheron did present problems. Inexperience being his biggest. I think many confuse not knowing where to go with the ball with "holding it too long". Throw in a defense that played a bit more aggressive, an OL that didn't hold up any better or worse than typical, and the supposed "best set of play makers UK has ever had" dropping no less than 3 catchable passes and this is what you get.
We average 66 snaps a game. We are always one of the slowest tempo offenses in the nation. Not running the ball more isn't what is causing low number of snaps. Snapping the ball at the end of the play clock is the culprit. We run the ball more than most college teams.
Stoops told a guy on his call in show that the reason for not running a faster paced offense is 'philosophy.' In other words, he does not believe in running a fast paced offense. Which cuts down the number of plays we have to work with. We finally get a QB that can sling it better than most in the college game along with a bunch of guys that can catch it all over the field but we can't run a faster pace offense just because it is not what I believe in. And by the way, our offensive efficiency is down toward the bottom in the league even though we have the QB and receivers like we have. Just talked about relying on CR to carry the brunt of it. If not this year opening up the offense with what we have, then never. Another reason we struggle getting a five star QB to want to come here. Perfect year to give him the reason to want to come in an explosive passing offense and now we are content on playing a turtle offense and waste a great passing QB with numerous ball catchers.
My tone is not intended to bash Stoops great work he has done here taking our program further than it has ever been taken. He has done a great job with the conservative approach to eck out a lot of wins, get us in good bowls regularly and up our recruiting like it has never been. I just hate that we have an opportunity in this particular year to move our offense forward in a big way and in turn attract more high level recruits at RB, QB and OL. Would just like to see that offense opened up more through the air to put up more points and take some of that pressure off the defense to have to play an almost perfect game.
I have been preaching this philosophy word for some time and repeatedly get chasistisied for it so I'm glad the coach admitted it. He still REFUSES to concede, like Saban did, that offense drives championships and not defense in these. He keeps saying he'll change, but I highly doubt it. Cutter Boley is a highly ranked sophomore at Lexington Christian and it will be interesting to see if MS can keep him in town. Been offered by all the bigs so far. We'll see.
