Where do the wins come from in 2015?
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Wins will come when the D can stop somebody in the SEC...
Until we have a consistently competitive SEC caliber defense, the story is going to be the same...5-6 wins...most coming from Turd State OOC type teams and Vandy...
Patrick and the O will be good enough to score 28-35 points a game...but Auburn, UT, Mizzou, UGA, Florida, and UL can score more and will continue to until the D is there to stop them...
Until we have a consistently competitive SEC caliber defense, the story is going to be the same...5-6 wins...most coming from Turd State OOC type teams and Vandy...
Patrick and the O will be good enough to score 28-35 points a game...but Auburn, UT, Mizzou, UGA, Florida, and UL can score more and will continue to until the D is there to stop them...
EKU, Cajuns, Louis, Florida, Vandy, MIZZOU, and the Charlotte team. 7 wins. Could also stun S.Car while away, Miss. State after their cupboard runs bare, and pull an upset somewhere else. Who knows? We get Auburn on a Thursday night game, so we might have an amped up crowd helping our guys like this past season's S.Car game.
Help comes this season. Bigger, faster, more talented linebackers to help enforce the edge. More experienced and talented linemen to take blocking from the ends who will need to set the edge more reliably this year. More experienced and MUCH more talented secondary players coming in. Our fan favorites McClain and Stamps who, at times, absolutely blew up the run this past season.
We won't be an SEC caliber defense this year, but Eliot has put our guys in place to make plays and they just haven't. The curve levels out a lot this year, IMO and we see those play calls doing their jobs.
This post was edited on 2/19 1:35 PM by JPFisher
Outside of a few drop Ints (UL, Mizzou, UF, etc..), I don't think the defense is very sound especially in run game.
- LBers don't make quick reads and play their gaps/assignments well at all in run game.
- I have never thought the notion of moving Z to an inside DE spot was a good use of his talent at all last year. He basically got mushed around the entire season.
- UK's DE and OLB don't technically hold the edge in run game worth squat...maybe it's talent but Bud, Hatcher, etc.. get caved in all the time in run game.
- We'll just have to see on Quinn/Tiller is it talent vs. coaching...but as the year wore on..>Tiller was as technically unsound back there as you can be. His attempts to play vs. UT, UGA and UL were abysmal in reacting to WR/QB drops and routes.
Personally, I found it typical UK fan ignorance for all the hand wrenching in Neal Brown and play calling when our defense was a complete seive last half of year and finished well below the offense in national statistics with albeit a way more experienced group (and iwth some guys getting NFL looks in Z, Bud and Stamps). Elliott and staff to me...have the develop kids and gameplan at a much higher level for UK to be a mediocre SEC team moreso than offense.
- LBers don't make quick reads and play their gaps/assignments well at all in run game.
- I have never thought the notion of moving Z to an inside DE spot was a good use of his talent at all last year. He basically got mushed around the entire season.
- UK's DE and OLB don't technically hold the edge in run game worth squat...maybe it's talent but Bud, Hatcher, etc.. get caved in all the time in run game.
- We'll just have to see on Quinn/Tiller is it talent vs. coaching...but as the year wore on..>Tiller was as technically unsound back there as you can be. His attempts to play vs. UT, UGA and UL were abysmal in reacting to WR/QB drops and routes.
Personally, I found it typical UK fan ignorance for all the hand wrenching in Neal Brown and play calling when our defense was a complete seive last half of year and finished well below the offense in national statistics with albeit a way more experienced group (and iwth some guys getting NFL looks in Z, Bud and Stamps). Elliott and staff to me...have the develop kids and gameplan at a much higher level for UK to be a mediocre SEC team moreso than offense.
K's absolutely right about the D. UK's D puts the O under tremendous pressure by its inability to make plays, get off the field, force turnovers, etc. The 2015 edition of UK of UK's D has GOT to stop the run and make winning plays. If not, they're just pissing in the wind.
Could start out 1-2, could start out 3-0, maybe even 5-0.
South Carolina has no QB as of now, we get them second game of the season, they have 10 players transferring out, and have even more defensive questions than they had this past season. We return key components of our offense, will use tempo (which USCjr. struggles with tremendously), as well as a lot of key components for our defense. Despite that being in Columbia, I see a win there.
Florida is going through a lot. Losing a lot of key guys, especially on defense (We put up quite a few points on a very good Muschamp defense last season anyway, and their new coach isn't a defensive guy at all), we'll have them here, call me a homer if you want, which with the current streak, I can't blame you, but I think we win that one at home.
Mizzou's motto is "those who do well in November will be remembered". In November, we really weren't all that far off, picked things up in the 4th quarter but it was just too late by then. They lose a ton of key players on both sides of the ball this upcoming season, and again. probably won't find their identity until November. Also, we have them at home, I think we win this one.
Auburn is a confusing bunch. We're at home, could do very well, could win with what we've got, could also lose, maybe even by a lot. Auburn is very poor defensively, but now they also have Muschamp. They also have no QB, possible win? Maybe, but unlikely (as a pre-season guess. Depends what our team looks like come gameday).
Mississippi State is a good possibility for a win (they lose a ton of players that play significant minutes, and we weren't far off this year. We no longer have to try to stop Robinson, and most of our young defense has a year under its belt now).
We'll beat Vanderbilt. No explanation needed here.
Louisville is a very good possibility for a win. Their only offense from this season's game just went to the NFL. All of our offense comes back (barring 1 OL, but we should do fine filling his spot), a large part of our defense returns, many players from our best recruiting class will finally be off the redshirt, and Lulzville's defense (Which is mostly gone now) was a paper tiger when we played them. We have them at Commonwealth, I see a 2, possibly 3 TD win.
Also, we beat all of the no-name teams.
It all starts in the spring. We have the staff and the players to compete with anybody, we just need the mentality, and the practice.
South Carolina has no QB as of now, we get them second game of the season, they have 10 players transferring out, and have even more defensive questions than they had this past season. We return key components of our offense, will use tempo (which USCjr. struggles with tremendously), as well as a lot of key components for our defense. Despite that being in Columbia, I see a win there.
Florida is going through a lot. Losing a lot of key guys, especially on defense (We put up quite a few points on a very good Muschamp defense last season anyway, and their new coach isn't a defensive guy at all), we'll have them here, call me a homer if you want, which with the current streak, I can't blame you, but I think we win that one at home.
Mizzou's motto is "those who do well in November will be remembered". In November, we really weren't all that far off, picked things up in the 4th quarter but it was just too late by then. They lose a ton of key players on both sides of the ball this upcoming season, and again. probably won't find their identity until November. Also, we have them at home, I think we win this one.
Auburn is a confusing bunch. We're at home, could do very well, could win with what we've got, could also lose, maybe even by a lot. Auburn is very poor defensively, but now they also have Muschamp. They also have no QB, possible win? Maybe, but unlikely (as a pre-season guess. Depends what our team looks like come gameday).
Mississippi State is a good possibility for a win (they lose a ton of players that play significant minutes, and we weren't far off this year. We no longer have to try to stop Robinson, and most of our young defense has a year under its belt now).
We'll beat Vanderbilt. No explanation needed here.
Louisville is a very good possibility for a win. Their only offense from this season's game just went to the NFL. All of our offense comes back (barring 1 OL, but we should do fine filling his spot), a large part of our defense returns, many players from our best recruiting class will finally be off the redshirt, and Lulzville's defense (Which is mostly gone now) was a paper tiger when we played them. We have them at Commonwealth, I see a 2, possibly 3 TD win.
Also, we beat all of the no-name teams.
It all starts in the spring. We have the staff and the players to compete with anybody, we just need the mentality, and the practice.
ULL
USC (them trending downward & Superior ending badly is the biggest story noone is talking about in the cfb world)
UF
EKU
Vandy
49ers
UL
Want to pick wins over Mizzou and/or Miss St, but so many heartbreaks year after year from them! Still, I predict 7-5. Stoops will progress the program more as he has done every year, 1 more SEC win than last year + 1 more OOC win.
The concerns about defense mentioned above are well founded & true. And Stoops actions in the offseason show he recognizes it as well and is trying to fix it. Buh has a rep as a great linebacker teacher. Stoops getting his hand on the secondary more, the place where as a position coach he made his name.
USC (them trending downward & Superior ending badly is the biggest story noone is talking about in the cfb world)
UF
EKU
Vandy
49ers
UL
Want to pick wins over Mizzou and/or Miss St, but so many heartbreaks year after year from them! Still, I predict 7-5. Stoops will progress the program more as he has done every year, 1 more SEC win than last year + 1 more OOC win.
The concerns about defense mentioned above are well founded & true. And Stoops actions in the offseason show he recognizes it as well and is trying to fix it. Buh has a rep as a great linebacker teacher. Stoops getting his hand on the secondary more, the place where as a position coach he made his name.
I think we win a minimum of six and probably seven, three OOC games and probably a fourth, plus Vandy, and a couple of upsets. Not bold enough to predict which teams we upset, but they will be upsets if they happen.
For instance I think we can upset Florida, MSU, and Mizzou as the most likely, but to predict a win over a team that has about a 30 game winning streak against us makes me a little nervous, but we should have beat them last year------I just hope we didn't blow our best chance in years last year to see them back to their normal status, they still have great talent. And of course we have already proven we can upset teams like USC, but they will still be favored.
And while we could possibly upset literally anyone on our schedule, we can also be upset ourselves. It is football.
For instance I think we can upset Florida, MSU, and Mizzou as the most likely, but to predict a win over a team that has about a 30 game winning streak against us makes me a little nervous, but we should have beat them last year------I just hope we didn't blow our best chance in years last year to see them back to their normal status, they still have great talent. And of course we have already proven we can upset teams like USC, but they will still be favored.
And while we could possibly upset literally anyone on our schedule, we can also be upset ourselves. It is football.
Here is my very early shall we say guess at win the Cats might have. The truth is trying to pick wins even before spring practice is a futile gesture.
ULL Home
EKU Home
UNCC Home
UofL Home
Vandy Away but IMO weakest team in SEC
Are the list of my most likely wins
My list of possible wins
Florida Home They are much more beatable on the road than in the swamp
USC Away possible but will be tougher on the road
Missouri Home and they will be down some this year.
MSU Away they lose a lot but still have their very good QB.
UT Home We have them at home and owe them a beating big time.
Least likely wins
Auburn Home would be a huge upset if the Cats beat them.
Georgia Away A Cats win would shock the college football world.
Least likely win on the schedule.
I think UK wins the first five and at least 2, maybe 3 of the second five for a 7 or 8 win season but like I said it is way early and I could change my mind when I see what is actually put on the field. Predicting a record when you are only guessing at a 2 deep is a very chancy thing. It only takes a lot of injuries in the spring and fall camps and other attrition to really upset the apple cart.
ULL Home
EKU Home
UNCC Home
UofL Home
Vandy Away but IMO weakest team in SEC
Are the list of my most likely wins
My list of possible wins
Florida Home They are much more beatable on the road than in the swamp
USC Away possible but will be tougher on the road
Missouri Home and they will be down some this year.
MSU Away they lose a lot but still have their very good QB.
UT Home We have them at home and owe them a beating big time.
Least likely wins
Auburn Home would be a huge upset if the Cats beat them.
Georgia Away A Cats win would shock the college football world.
Least likely win on the schedule.
I think UK wins the first five and at least 2, maybe 3 of the second five for a 7 or 8 win season but like I said it is way early and I could change my mind when I see what is actually put on the field. Predicting a record when you are only guessing at a 2 deep is a very chancy thing. It only takes a lot of injuries in the spring and fall camps and other attrition to really upset the apple cart.
I try to avoid any negativity when it comes to players becasue you don't always know what injuries they may be playing with but let's face it these two are probably not going to be making anyone's all SEC team this year. So I think it somewhat odd that, if these two wind up starting at corner this season, that means in the 3rd year of the Stoops tenure, none of his DB recruits have been able to beat out the two Joker recruits at the two starter corner spots, and Stoops' strong point is DBs.
I was wondering if anyone else would pick up on this. Generally speaking, I think you improve (much) more on defense with better personnel than experience. The Cats return about 8 or 9 regular defensive starters from a team ranked #69 in total defense (408 YPG) and #96 in scoring defense (32.8 PPG). It will be interesting to see how many new faces start on defense.
Ironically, pass defense was one of the better defensive metrics for the Cats last season ranking #61 in YPA (6.9) and #44 in passing yards per game allowed (216 YPG).
Peace
Wildcard IMO you are smart enough to know that the reason the Cats had a decent rating in pass defense was that teams were running all over them on the ground and did not need to pass often. When teams did pass they had good success. The Cats need to shore up those CB positions. They are decent at safety. Those small corners were neither very effective in pass coverage or run support.
??????...We should won the ul and fla games and scoring 10 pts(mizzou) is not going to beat any body...Season could have been 8-4 with a few plays being made on offense and defense
Not to throw water on the post but these are the same predictions many make every year and UK falls flat. In the SEC UK is still short handed and it will be another 2 to 3 years until we can make predictions of beating any SEC team other than Vandy. Sure our recruiting is better but the rest of the SEC didn't stop recruiting. Until the defense can stop 3rd down plays from SEC teams We will lose.
UK is a true work in progress and hopefully the fans will not get inpatient with Coach Stoops and his staff. That has been the problem for years, inpatient fans who think it can be done in a few years. A few key players on offense and yes you can score points but the defense is another matter. Defense take time, lots of time to build strength and depth. And that is UKs weakness but it is being addressed with players. Who on paper look to be better than advertised.
UK is a true work in progress and hopefully the fans will not get inpatient with Coach Stoops and his staff. That has been the problem for years, inpatient fans who think it can be done in a few years. A few key players on offense and yes you can score points but the defense is another matter. Defense take time, lots of time to build strength and depth. And that is UKs weakness but it is being addressed with players. Who on paper look to be better than advertised.
Here is the UK's wins and losses next season:
W: LA-Lafayette
L: @South Carolina --> UK got hammered on the road last time they played at SC, by like 50 points. Barely won in commonwealth in 2014...expect another USC beat down on UK in Columbia.
L: Florida --> Well, prove me wrong, please, but like 28 straight wins against UK. Hard to bet against.
L: Missouri --> UK has been dominated by the tigers.
W: E Kentucky --> Should be an easy win.
L: Auburn --> CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats stay close through 3 quarters, expect Auburn to pull away in the 4th.
L: @Mississippi St -->CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats stay close through 3 quarters, expect buldogs to pull away in the 4th.
L: Tennessee --> CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats stay close through 3 quarters, expect VOLS to pull away in the 4th.
L: @Georgia --> CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats are soundly beaten.
L: @Vanderbilt --> CATS hang tough, but a desperate coach and commodore team pull it out in the end.
W: Charlotte --> Easy win.
L: Louisville --> Petrino continues to dominate UK. Man can coach offense.
Prediction: 3-9
Don't call me debby downer, just a realistic expectation based on how UK has competed against these teams in the past years.. UK has not shown the ability to compete with the upper echelon, or even middle echelon teams historically. I certainly hope I am wrong, and the CATS are bowling in a warm weather new years bowl.
UK is consistently outweighed and outmanned at the line of scrimmage against SEC foes. Hard to beat another team when you are getting beat at the LOS.
Petrino will get UK again, he has the ability to pull a 3rd string QB and develop him in into a world beater...he is that good. Again, I hope I am wrong.
There are 3 games I think UK could pull out, but would require some LUCK and good coaching: @VANDY, FLORIDA, and Louisville. They could potentially get 6 and go bowling if the coaches can turn this thing around.
Will be rooting for the CATS all the way!
W: LA-Lafayette
L: @South Carolina --> UK got hammered on the road last time they played at SC, by like 50 points. Barely won in commonwealth in 2014...expect another USC beat down on UK in Columbia.
L: Florida --> Well, prove me wrong, please, but like 28 straight wins against UK. Hard to bet against.
L: Missouri --> UK has been dominated by the tigers.
W: E Kentucky --> Should be an easy win.
L: Auburn --> CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats stay close through 3 quarters, expect Auburn to pull away in the 4th.
L: @Mississippi St -->CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats stay close through 3 quarters, expect buldogs to pull away in the 4th.
L: Tennessee --> CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats stay close through 3 quarters, expect VOLS to pull away in the 4th.
L: @Georgia --> CATS just don't have the uglies in the trenches. Cats are soundly beaten.
L: @Vanderbilt --> CATS hang tough, but a desperate coach and commodore team pull it out in the end.
W: Charlotte --> Easy win.
L: Louisville --> Petrino continues to dominate UK. Man can coach offense.
Prediction: 3-9
Don't call me debby downer, just a realistic expectation based on how UK has competed against these teams in the past years.. UK has not shown the ability to compete with the upper echelon, or even middle echelon teams historically. I certainly hope I am wrong, and the CATS are bowling in a warm weather new years bowl.
UK is consistently outweighed and outmanned at the line of scrimmage against SEC foes. Hard to beat another team when you are getting beat at the LOS.
Petrino will get UK again, he has the ability to pull a 3rd string QB and develop him in into a world beater...he is that good. Again, I hope I am wrong.
There are 3 games I think UK could pull out, but would require some LUCK and good coaching: @VANDY, FLORIDA, and Louisville. They could potentially get 6 and go bowling if the coaches can turn this thing around.
Will be rooting for the CATS all the way!
Lol at the 3-9 prediction and more "Petrino is an offensive genius" nonsense. Guess you didn't watch much UofL last year? They were poor offensively and UofL had Devante Parker vs UK last year, had nothing to do with Petrino being "that good". They lose a ton and we scored plenty on their pretty good defense.
So it would take "luck" to beat UL or Vandy? Now I know you're full of sh!t.
UK was a few plays from 7-5 last year. They go 3-9 next year? Not gonna happen.
Anyway, here's my prediction...
ULL - W
USC - L
UF - W
Miss St - W
EKU - W
Aub - L
Miss St. - W
UT - L
UGA - L
Vandy - W
Charlotte - W
UL - W
That's pretty optimistic but we'll be much better than last season and have 8 home games.
So it would take "luck" to beat UL or Vandy? Now I know you're full of sh!t.
UK was a few plays from 7-5 last year. They go 3-9 next year? Not gonna happen.
Anyway, here's my prediction...
ULL - W
USC - L
UF - W
Miss St - W
EKU - W
Aub - L
Miss St. - W
UT - L
UGA - L
Vandy - W
Charlotte - W
UL - W
That's pretty optimistic but we'll be much better than last season and have 8 home games.
You are usually a little over the top jauk but in this case we couldn't be more on the same page
Your misleading people in your description of the USCjr. game.. the year was 2013 and we lost by 7. That was to a USCjr. team who only lost 2 that year. Florida, in game two, is not yesteryears FLA. and I refuse to give them a pass...especially at our place. I could keep going but if you can't tell we are better than a 3 win team I don't know what to tell ya.
You clicked this thread and blindly pounded out that response without reading a single post in this thread,didn't you?
Your spew sounds like an ignorant rant against a bunch of idiots predicting us to go 10-2 and play in the SEC title game. Everyone is taking measured reasonable predictions for 2015, instead of preaching out your ass and trying to tell everyone else to tone down outrageous expectations THAT NOONE HAS OR IS EXPRESSING, why don't you do the same?
IMO you define the definition of a "Debbie Downer". I nominate you for a life membership in the old Bill Curry " Fellowship Of The Miserable Club". I would bet my life savings and my house that UK wins more than 3 games. You got any cash you want to lay on that 3 win prediction.
Hmmm... I think people used to call it optimism. Seriously, did you watch the game last year? Had Woodson and Co. taken the field against that Gator squad last year, they would have handed it to them in Gainesville. We are close with them, and if you are close, you don't walk around full of gloom and doom conceding defeat just because of the name on the front of the jersey. That's no way to approach the game. We will take care of business in Lexington this year, and what a great way to celebrate the FIRST SEC GAME in the New CWS!!! Talk about an exorcism...
My prediction:
Lafayette W +24
at Carolina L -1
Florida W +10
Mizzou W +3
EKU W +31
Auburn L -3
at Miss State L -9
Tennessee W +3
at UGA L -17
at Vanderbilt W +13
Charlotte W +34
Louisville W +17
No joke. "Realistic expectation?" Really? Stoops won 2 games in his first yr. Has recruited better talent than this school has ever seen. Improved the wins by 150% in yr 2. If, hower had said that we will go 5-7 again, I wouldn't reply......since we might......but 3 wins?! That's unrealistic.
It can't last forever and I think the timing will never be better than this year. Would love to have this be a night game and I think we have a good shot this year in THENEWCWS! The stars are aligning!
Your pessimism is disgusting, and the touch of hyperbole that you threw in there doesn't make it any better.
Look, we get it, but last year (which is the most recent game, just informing you because you don't seem all that bright) we won.
Since the off-season, we added another very good class, 10 USCjr. players are transferring, they lost their QB who played for them all season, their defense is still abysmal, players from our best recruiting class in school history is coming off the redshirt, and USCjr has been on a downward spiral.
You're basing every and all of your predictions on "used to be" and not what the program is becoming going forward, which is what counts when predicting anything.
Yet you said "don't call me a debbie downer", while predicting losses to teams we beat, and especially Vanderbilt.
You are the very definition of a debbie downer.
LOL. when i make a prediction, it is similar to how i would bet on something. If i was to bet on a WINS/LOSSES this is what I would bet on. I am optimistic, and hopeful, that they will win 6/7 games. But i won't bet on it, nor predict it. It really doesn't matter, this is just a message board, everyone here is entitled to their prediction/opinion. GO CATS!
Drop the mic, Man!
In all honesty, we should be much better this coming year. Saying, "With all due respect," doesn't make what comes after it socially acceptable. Much like saying, "I'm not TRYING to piss in anyone's Cheerios," after you say 3-9.
debbie downer doesn't cover it. we are not gonna be worse than last year... just too much infusion of talent that has been growing up the last 2 years. vandy is in a tailspin right now. why do you think they will be better in year 2 of a bad hire than year 1? petrino is getting older and isnt putting up 45 ppg anymore. they get a bunch of transfers and jucos in this year to replace the losses but they have no parker and that was the difference in last years game. scar last beat us "bad" in 2011. if you think that has anything to do with 2015 then please explain. the ole ball coach is losing it and they lost a ton of talent the last few years and had 10+ recruits not make it to campus the last couple years. they are trending down.
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