Whats with Schools liking Scott Drew
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Why doesn’t it count? Everyone played under the same circumstances.
He also does not have the personality for this place. I’m not excited at all about Drew
For the reasons I already listed. If you don’t think they didn’t affect the season then I don’t know what to tell you.
Might have something to do with him peaking at the time when we had our worst season in school history. You can say it was the COVID year but he handled it better than anybody else and won it all at a school that has no real history other than one of the worst scandals ever.
A coach that consistently makes it past the first round of the tournament would be an upgrade at this point. Thanks for sharing, OP.
Who was missing in the NCAA tourney that affected the outcome? Two one seeds played each other in the national championship. The two best teams in the country played. Both of their coaches were there. Baylor won. Actually dominated.
Who do you think was better?
This is just a ridiculous take.
I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of a Scott Drew hire, but for the sake of comparison, below is Dan Hurley's record as a head coach:
Wagner
2010-11 -- 13-17, no postseason
2011-12 -- 25-6, no postseason
Rhode Island
2012-13 -- 8-21, no postseason
2013-14 -- 14-18, no postseason
2014-15 -- 23-10, NIT 2nd rnd
2015-16 -- 17-15, no postseason
2016-17 -- 25-10, NCAA Rnd of 32
2017-18 -- 26-8, NCAA Rnd of 32
UConn
2018-19 -- 16-17, no postseason
2019-20 -- 19-12, postseason canceled but they weren't a tournament team
2020-21 -- 15-8, NCAA Rnd of 64
2021-22 -- 23-10, NCAA Rnd of 64
2022-23 -- 31-8, NCAA Champs
Obviously this season may end in a second straight title, which puts him in very rare company. But if they lose to Iowa St or Illinois in the EE, what do we make of his record? Will he stay at this level going forward?
Worth noting too that Drew's Baylor team was one of the two or three favorites to win in 2020 when the tournament was canceled. If not for a global pandemic Drew might be in the same rare company Hurley is hoping to join this season.
Wagner
2010-11 -- 13-17, no postseason
2011-12 -- 25-6, no postseason
Rhode Island
2012-13 -- 8-21, no postseason
2013-14 -- 14-18, no postseason
2014-15 -- 23-10, NIT 2nd rnd
2015-16 -- 17-15, no postseason
2016-17 -- 25-10, NCAA Rnd of 32
2017-18 -- 26-8, NCAA Rnd of 32
UConn
2018-19 -- 16-17, no postseason
2019-20 -- 19-12, postseason canceled but they weren't a tournament team
2020-21 -- 15-8, NCAA Rnd of 64
2021-22 -- 23-10, NCAA Rnd of 64
2022-23 -- 31-8, NCAA Champs
Obviously this season may end in a second straight title, which puts him in very rare company. But if they lose to Iowa St or Illinois in the EE, what do we make of his record? Will he stay at this level going forward?
Worth noting too that Drew's Baylor team was one of the two or three favorites to win in 2020 when the tournament was canceled. If not for a global pandemic Drew might be in the same rare company Hurley is hoping to join this season.
I don’t want Drew (although I’d take him over Pearl) but considering where that program was when he took over 20 years ago, that’s probably why he’s overvalued.
A national title on the lone trip to the final four
Two elite 8 losses
Those are the bright spots.
But we’ve only seen one national championship winning coach ever leave directly for another college program and that was Tubby. It’s really hard for me to imagine someone doing that to come here.
Why hasn’t he ever came close again in like the 20 something years he’s been there? Do you not find it odd he’s never made a final 4 when everyone else was actually prepared? Are you even a UK fan or an FSU fan? If FSU, why do you care who UK hires?
There’s no logic to this at all.
Baylor had no advantage over anyone else. There was no special circumstances for them and no one else. They dealt with the same stuff. And you didn’t name anyone who was supposedly better. I mean, they were the only ones to beat Gonzaga that year.
I don’t find it odd that one specific roster won it all and a different roster didn’t replicate it. Baylor was crap for over 50 years, and the guy made it to the Elite 8 in 2010 and 2012 where his team lost to the eventual champ. It’s not like Drew was at Kansas or Kentucky.
Elite 8? Big deal. Calipari turned two nobodies into national powerhouses and they haven’t been nothing since he left. If I’m an AD I’m not firing John Calipari for Scott Drew. You have your opinion and I have mine. Bye
To be fair his team was a wagon the year before that and could’ve easily won that year too.
I don’t care if you want him. I don’t either. I simply pointed out the lack of logic in saying his national title doesn’t count.
To be fair, he may have come close to it the year before but the tournament was canceled. Would've been a 1 or 2 seed and probably one of the 3 or 4 favorites to win the title. Basically the same roster that did win the next season.
Do people not even keep up with who the best coaches are today??? People that want Drew must just see his name mentioned by naive people and go with it. Why else would they want him???
I’m not saying he’s my first choice but he’s at Baylor. They only made the NCAA tournament once in 53 years before Scott Drew got there. He has made the tournament 12 times since and brought them their only national championship. He’s not my first choice but I think he would be better at UK than he is at Baylor. Calipari had 0 final 4’s on record before UK. UK gives any coach a better opportunity to succeed. If that wasn’t true, we wouldn’t have 8 championships by 5 different coaches.
Scott Drew would kill it here even Bryce Drew would
Just a Coach with a functioning brain can win at UK
You know one that’s starts and plays his best players
Uses the portal to construct the best roster of mature players
Can talk to the media calmly and actually talk basketball strategy
Has actual BLOB plays
Can defend BLOB plays
Has 2 or 3 defenses ready to go and even a press they can use if down
Just a Coach with a functioning brain can win at UK
You know one that’s starts and plays his best players
Uses the portal to construct the best roster of mature players
Can talk to the media calmly and actually talk basketball strategy
Has actual BLOB plays
Can defend BLOB plays
Has 2 or 3 defenses ready to go and even a press they can use if down
Same rules and they were Kenpom #3 (projected 1seed) when the 2020 year got cancelled. Their 2021 team was legit and had a chance to be going for back to back titles.
Drew isn’t my first 4 calls but I fully expect him to be the hire
Ok. So why don’t all the other seasons count as he’s sukked besides an empty gym titlle? smh
I agree. He caught lightning in a bottle one year with iirc and extremely experienced team that clearly gave him a massive advantage during those extreme circumstances. Almost every other year, he's done exactly nothing. No need to pay the fortune it would take to get him just to have comparable results.
Doesn’t want a certain coach means loves Cal? How long will you continue this charade??
People don't understand how difficult of a job Baylor truly is. Drew has thrived there, in part because of the religion component, but you are talking about a job that is probably one step up from Vandy in terms of athletics department challenges and overall NIL support.
Scott Drew would be incredible here with our brand and resources. He has ties to Barnhart and deep ties to the region. It would be a no-brainer hire if Jay Wright turns us down.
Scott Drew would be incredible here with our brand and resources. He has ties to Barnhart and deep ties to the region. It would be a no-brainer hire if Jay Wright turns us down.
I'm gonna break this into two posts: 1. Scott Drew. 2. Comparing "the other" guys.
Scott Drew: 1. You can't just NOT count the national championship. He won it. Everyone had the same circumstances. He had arguably the best team the year before and the tournament got cancelled. There are SEVEN active coaches with a National championship. If you want a guy to "prove" he's good enough to win at Kentucky, what does that look like? Winning a National championship is the most you can do.
The biggest gripe seems to be 1st/2nd round exits in the NCAA Tournament. But, we understand that he's at Baylor, right? No one is taking Baylor to the Elite 8 every year. If you believe Kentucky is a blue blood job that gives a coach advantages--then you have to believe he's going to do better at Kentucky.
I look at Drew's career through 2 lenses: Pre-2020 and post-2020. In 2020, they would have been a 1 seed. 21 and 22: They were a 1 seed. 23 and 24: 3 seed. We haven't been a 1 seed since 2015. You think Drew can get a 1 seed at Baylor--but not Kentucky?
Why are we looking at the last 5 years? Well, college basketball changed a lot in the last 5 years. Between NIL and the covid-year bringing older guys back, College Basketball has changed. So the question is: Who is thriving in the new landscape? How do we define thriving? National championship seems good.
Does seeding even matter if you lose in the 2nd round of the tournament? I would say, yes. Coaching a team to a 1 seed over 31-34 games takes a lot of ability. The post-season results should improve when he's at a Blue blood.
Scott Drew: 1. You can't just NOT count the national championship. He won it. Everyone had the same circumstances. He had arguably the best team the year before and the tournament got cancelled. There are SEVEN active coaches with a National championship. If you want a guy to "prove" he's good enough to win at Kentucky, what does that look like? Winning a National championship is the most you can do.
The biggest gripe seems to be 1st/2nd round exits in the NCAA Tournament. But, we understand that he's at Baylor, right? No one is taking Baylor to the Elite 8 every year. If you believe Kentucky is a blue blood job that gives a coach advantages--then you have to believe he's going to do better at Kentucky.
I look at Drew's career through 2 lenses: Pre-2020 and post-2020. In 2020, they would have been a 1 seed. 21 and 22: They were a 1 seed. 23 and 24: 3 seed. We haven't been a 1 seed since 2015. You think Drew can get a 1 seed at Baylor--but not Kentucky?
Why are we looking at the last 5 years? Well, college basketball changed a lot in the last 5 years. Between NIL and the covid-year bringing older guys back, College Basketball has changed. So the question is: Who is thriving in the new landscape? How do we define thriving? National championship seems good.
Does seeding even matter if you lose in the 2nd round of the tournament? I would say, yes. Coaching a team to a 1 seed over 31-34 games takes a lot of ability. The post-season results should improve when he's at a Blue blood.
he has a national title so clearly it would be a solid hire but tbh there are several others I’d be much more excited for. I think our floor would be higher than Cal’s but we wouldn’t have as many great years.
I was starting to look at some positives from Drew, like he gets 5 stars to go to Baylor, how much better he could do at UK. But watching them last night against Clemson, looked like they had more talent than Clemson but appeared that Clemson was the better coached team. So I wouldn’t be thrilled with a Scott Drew hire
Clemson definitely outcoached him. They made several adjustments that Baylor never countered.
NIT
losing record
Didn't make a tournament
First round loss
17-14 NIT
Final Four
Losing record
2nd round loss in playoffs
That's the Rick Pitino resume when we hired him.
Drew would be the most accomplished coach Kentucky ever hired, after Calipari.
losing record
Didn't make a tournament
First round loss
17-14 NIT
Final Four
Losing record
2nd round loss in playoffs
That's the Rick Pitino resume when we hired him.
Drew would be the most accomplished coach Kentucky ever hired, after Calipari.
There's multiple coaches I could get excited for. Before this season, I've loved Arkansas' Musselman and his style. I would be happy with him as the coach. I know his team sucked this year but two Elite 8s and a Sweet 16 at Arkansas is pretty solid.
I'd be cool with all of the popular names, really- Hurley, Oats (although I don't like him), would love Few and Wright but I know that's not happening.
I'd be cool with all of the popular names, really- Hurley, Oats (although I don't like him), would love Few and Wright but I know that's not happening.
You intentionally left out his successful stint with the Knicks?
I think this does a disservice to what he did with the Knicks.
The Knicks had three straight losing seasons before Pitino got there, with 24 wins being their best record. Within his second year, the Knicks won their division and won 52 games. Then lost to Michael Jordan.
So with that and leading a six seed Providence to the Final Four, that's a solid resume.
But yeah, Drew already having a national title is hard to beat.
Other than Tubby, can anyone name a championship winning coach leaving the college they won a title at to go directly to another college?
Where did I make that argument? I didn't. I'm simply talking about his national championship winning season when another poster claimed it didn't count.
Where did I say not wanting Scott Drew was the reason OP is a Cal cultist? OP is a Cal cultist because OP specifically has worshipped everything Cal has done or said like a good little cultist, right in our faces, for years straight, to an unusual and unsettling extent, and increasingly so for these past four years during which Cal’s collective results have been getting steadily worse and Cal’s behavior has been getting weirder and weirder. So my “charade” if you’re not emotionally equipped to call it anything other than that is just calling them like I see them and I will continue that indefinitely, thank you very much.
How long will you be continuing your confrontational, emotionally unbalanced schtick, by the way?
lol, you cal everybody that doesbn't hate cal with Bile a Cal cultist. Funny stuff, I'll just avoid your words and we'll be fine.
