Whats the story on Zeke Pike?
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simple, he likes Gus Malzhan and what he saw Cam Newton do last season. Pike ain't a prototypical Montana/Peyton Manning/Tom Brady quarterback with great mechanics and pocket presence. being in a spread option offense where he runs the ball quite a bit fits him best.
^ You must not follow recruiting too much. ALl you wanna do is complain over stars and not getting them as opposed to be educated and know what you are talking about.
Zeke Pike has been underwhelming as a QB prospect at many camps. One particular camp, UK commit Patrick Towles was said to be the best QB from the state of KY by recruiting analyst, ahead of Pike. Pike is a helluva athelete by all accounts and by some teams did project as a stud DE. I believe AUburn wants him as QB though.
Zeke Pike has been underwhelming as a QB prospect at many camps. One particular camp, UK commit Patrick Towles was said to be the best QB from the state of KY by recruiting analyst, ahead of Pike. Pike is a helluva athelete by all accounts and by some teams did project as a stud DE. I believe AUburn wants him as QB though.
This is not about UK not getting Pike or how good Towles is. You do not have to "follow recruiting" to know that a very highly-touted player who is recruited by many teams as a QB is not going to switch to DE. A player like that will just transfer to a school where he will play QB. To suggest that he would switch to DE before the end of his career is asinine.
That is a personal decision for him to make, not for people on the internet to speculate and suggest. He is being told that he is wanted as a QB by elite programs with elite coaching staffs who put people in the NFL. Being a QB is obviously what he wants to do, so why accept anything else? If he has the drive to prove his doubters wrong, then he will be very successful regardless of what happens at a camp before he has started his senior season.
I would say watch his video and tell me if you see even a mid D-1 QB prospect, but judging by your inability to even form a coherent insult I will just assume you have no capacity for understanding football.
Because you were unable to provide any substantive comments earlier, then I will just assume that my previous comments about a Top 100 overall QB being unwilling to switch positions were correct.
Why would random people on the internet need to watch a player's video when several elite coaching staffs have already done the work for us?
Why would random people on the internet need to watch a player's video when several elite coaching staffs have already done the work for us?
I don't follow Auburn that closely, but what other big time QBs have they put in the NFL lately? I know Cam has an excellent chance, and I know Pike is talented, but I think Cam is a once in a generation freak talent wise, 6' 6", 245#, and he runs a 4.5 forty? What's that, he has an arm also?
Since there are 22 positions on the field (plus specialists), I would guess that Auburn has put a lot more players in the NFL at positions other than QB. If he struggles at all at QB, maybe they can show him the big DTs (Traylor??) contract and ask him if he wants to be a mediocre QB or a great DL?
By the way, I don't know if they are still there, should be, but Auburn had a commit from a 6.0 rated QB in 09, (higher than Pike's 5.9) and a commit from a 5.9 (same as Pike) in this years class that will always have a years experience on Pike until he graduates. So before he gets drafted he probably has to earn the starting QB position at Auburn, NOT an easy task.
This post was edited on 7/20 1:31 AM by jauk11
Since there are 22 positions on the field (plus specialists), I would guess that Auburn has put a lot more players in the NFL at positions other than QB. If he struggles at all at QB, maybe they can show him the big DTs (Traylor??) contract and ask him if he wants to be a mediocre QB or a great DL?
By the way, I don't know if they are still there, should be, but Auburn had a commit from a 6.0 rated QB in 09, (higher than Pike's 5.9) and a commit from a 5.9 (same as Pike) in this years class that will always have a years experience on Pike until he graduates. So before he gets drafted he probably has to earn the starting QB position at Auburn, NOT an easy task.
This post was edited on 7/20 1:31 AM by jauk11
It does not matter how many Auburn has put in the league lately. How many pro players did UK put in the league before Calipari came here? Times change with different coaches.
If you want to use the reason that there are more positions on the field, then that will apply to EVERY college, not just Auburn.
I am not the one talking about Pike being drafted. Nobody expects him to be as good as Tebow, but everybody said the same negative things about his ability to play the position, too.
I have seen Pike play several times and will see more of him this coming year. Anyone who thinks he would struggle at the mid major level and determines such from a film is rash to put it nicely. He is one excellent HS quarterback and he can both run and throw. Selecting Auburn was likely due to the fact that they allow their quareterback to run the ball more often than most.
We, in N. Ky, have never before had two excellent quarterbacks in the same year and we have had some good ones including JLo and Guidugli (different years). Both Towles and Pike rank up there with those two.
Anyone who thinks that Pike can'ty pass and merely plays quarterback because he is an outstanding athlete is dead wrong. If the transfer of the top receiver from Holmes becomes reality, he will have a stable of good receivers and one excellent one.
While Pike is excellent, I recognize that he will have a tough fight on his hands from other exccellent quartebacks. Thus, he could perhaps change positions rather than sit. He could also change schools, I don't know about this and neither do any of you. So if you want to speculate, I suggest you use guarded language rather than trying to pretend to have a crystal ball.
We, in N. Ky, have never before had two excellent quarterbacks in the same year and we have had some good ones including JLo and Guidugli (different years). Both Towles and Pike rank up there with those two.
Anyone who thinks that Pike can'ty pass and merely plays quarterback because he is an outstanding athlete is dead wrong. If the transfer of the top receiver from Holmes becomes reality, he will have a stable of good receivers and one excellent one.
While Pike is excellent, I recognize that he will have a tough fight on his hands from other exccellent quartebacks. Thus, he could perhaps change positions rather than sit. He could also change schools, I don't know about this and neither do any of you. So if you want to speculate, I suggest you use guarded language rather than trying to pretend to have a crystal ball.
"If you want to use the reason that there are more positions on the field, then that will apply to EVERY college, not just Auburn." by trungula
Numbers are your friend. Just pointing out the FACT that over 95% of the players that make it to the NFL do so at a position other than QB. Sounds like he has all the tools, and maybe he is one of the rare ones that does make it, but it would be stupid to turn down an NFL career at another position if it comes down to that.
But then, the world is full of stupidity.
Sounds like he done good at the Elite 11 so far.
Numbers are your friend. Just pointing out the FACT that over 95% of the players that make it to the NFL do so at a position other than QB. Sounds like he has all the tools, and maybe he is one of the rare ones that does make it, but it would be stupid to turn down an NFL career at another position if it comes down to that.
But then, the world is full of stupidity.
Sounds like he done good at the Elite 11 so far.
"It does not matter how many Auburn has put in the league lately. How many pro players did UK put in the league before Calipari came here? Times change with different coaches."
Just noticed this kind of funny remark from above.
I don't have time to count them all, but I would guess about a hundred.
Just noticed this kind of funny remark from above.
I don't have time to count them all, but I would guess about a hundred.
The key word was "lately", so the reference was to how many pros Tubby/Gillispie put in the league. The answer is not many/enough, so it would not have been a valid argument for John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Daniel Orton, etc. to not select UK because "they had not put many players in the league lately" prior to Calipari's arrival. Get it? So, it does not matter how many QB's Auburn put in the NFL prior to the arrival of Chizik/Malzahn.
I am just being realistic, and nobody is providing a legitimate counter to my statements. If all you can do is name call without providing anything to the contrary, then what is the point of responding other than to show that you are an insecure douche? Who cares if some of you use the "ignore" button? From what are you running or afraid to hear?
If I am wrong, then give me some modern-era examples of highly-rated QBs (Elite 11, Army All-American, Parade All-American, etc.) that have willingly and successfully transitioned to the defense while in college for the betterment of their potential professional career. Is that fair enough?
Originally posted by trungula:
Perhaps we should ask Morgan Newton to change positions because he will have a better chance to make it as a pro H-back or tight end? I'm sure that he would be happy about it because we would just be doing what is best for his professional future.
Since our coaches have that rare quality integrity among coaches in today's dog eat dog world, they often keep their word to a recruit to the detriment of the team.
And no, Newton is playing the position he is best suited for and with the best chance to make the pros, hopefully he will prove that this year. He doesn't have the talent to make the NFL anywhere else. Since there has been a ton of conjecture about Pike having all the tools to make it somewhere else maybe where there is smoke there is fire. Hey, I could care less where he plays at Auburn, and it sounds like he looks good at the elite 11, (he could be very good and not make the NFL) but the discussion on here has been IF he can make the NFL at another position and not at QB should he switch positions.
Wonder if Micah Johnson ever has any second thoughts about switching to DE at UK?
Originally posted by jauk11:
Originally posted by trungula:
Perhaps we should ask Morgan Newton to change positions because he will have a better chance to make it as a pro H-back or tight end? I'm sure that he would be happy about it because we would just be doing what is best for his professional future.
Since our coaches have that rare quality integrity among coaches in today's dog eat dog world, they often keep their word to a recruit to the detriment of the team.
And no, Newton is playing the position he is best suited for and with the best chance to make the pros, hopefully he will prove that this year. He doesn't have the talent to make the NFL anywhere else. Since there has been a ton of conjecture about Pike having all the tools to make it somewhere else maybe where there is smoke there is fire. Hey, I could care less where he plays at Auburn, and it sounds like he looks good at the elite 11, (he could be very good and not make the NFL) but the discussion on here has been IF he can make the NFL at another position and not at QB should he switch positions.
Wonder if Micah Johnson ever has any second thoughts about switching to DE at UK?
If they keep their word to recruits, then why did we have some whose offers were pulled in the last recruiting class after they had already committed? Antonio Cannon, E.J. May, etc.
"Hey, I could care less where he plays at Auburn"...so you do care? While that may be the discussion you are having, I am discussing the likeliness that he would accept a position change from QB given his status as a Top 100 overall player. But I would not expect less from one of the primary Lairtards.
It looks like Pike made the Elite 11 and Towles missed the cut. Not that it matters for us becasue we got the QB we wanted but the evaluators there thought Pike was a better QB as well. Being a top 11 QB in the nation I doubt he will be asked to swithch to D
Some guys offers werent pulled. They never made the grade..like Cannon, go find out where he is playing this year. He didnt sign anywhere. EJ May was pretty well known that he had a conditional offer, I dont think he knew that. Blake Terry is the one who I believe really got screwed over, and it was the fault of a former staff member. He got offered by the assistant, showed up at UK quite a few inches shorter than they thought.
Felt bad for him.
But trungula, you dont like under the radar type guys so its probably good to pull some guys offers if they dont produce or improve over their senior years.
Felt bad for him.
But trungula, you dont like under the radar type guys so its probably good to pull some guys offers if they dont produce or improve over their senior years.
Cannon is playing at ECU. 2011 ECU roster
May is at South Alabama. He should have never even had an conditional offer. FCS players should not be a safety net for any SEC program.
Joker trusts his staff, does he not? If it was about integrity, then you could still honor the offer if we are all about "keeping our word".
No, I do not like under the radar guys, and they should not be offered in the first place, which would prevent them from also having their offers pulled.
They could have been conditional offers. You have no idea. Neither do I.
If you are so miserable being a UK fan, switch teams.
If you are so miserable being a UK fan, switch teams.
How can I answer your questions when the coaches aren't permitted to comment on recruits, so I can know very little about the situation---just like you. But that doesn't seem to slow you down.
Wonderful suggestion by CatsFanGG, wouldn't you be happier somewhere else since you think our recruits won't be any good, and you don't think our coaches know how to evaluate talent, let alone coach or have integrity.
And Blake Terry didn't just show up shorter, but also significantly lighter. And no, I don't feel that sorry for him, I don't think he would have been happy sitting on the bench far from home for four years, I am sure he got a scholarship somewhere, hopefully where he can play. Sometimes things work out like they are supposed to.
So, what is your purpose on here, or do you just like to argue?
You know very little about a lot of things, but it does not seem to slow you down, either. I think that we all have a pretty good idea of what happened given the quotes by players and their high school coaches. Some of you like to tout that you read articles, but are you just going to say that these players and their high school coaches are liars?
My allegiance is with the program, not necessarily the coaching staff. Have you ever criticized a politician for the way he was running your country? If so, then would you just go find another country?
Blake Terry could have put on weight in a redshirt year if that was such a big deal. The coaches that you "trust" thought that he was good enough to receive an offer, and they never even saw him in person before he was given an offer? That is dumb. And you question why I do not have faith in many of these coaches?
Brinson extended it. He was much shorter than thought. Brinson was fired.
It wasnt fair to Terry. But he wouldnt have played much so in the end he is in a better place for himself.
In the end, as a coach its about winning games. The fans care about that the most. If this staff starts to win games inside the conference not many people will care about an occasional scholly pulled. These kids this past year probably couldnt have helped the program and Joker is not in a position to accept LOI from marginal kids. It sucks but its his job on the line so It is what it is.
It wasnt fair to Terry. But he wouldnt have played much so in the end he is in a better place for himself.
In the end, as a coach its about winning games. The fans care about that the most. If this staff starts to win games inside the conference not many people will care about an occasional scholly pulled. These kids this past year probably couldnt have helped the program and Joker is not in a position to accept LOI from marginal kids. It sucks but its his job on the line so It is what it is.
Could you also address jauk's previous comment: How do you know what Brinson did? The coaches cannot comment about the recruits...it could have been conditional! But, we all have a good idea that it was not, and the same goes for Cannon and probably May.
So, you also disagree with him that it is not about integrity with the coaching staff "in today's dog eat dog world"?
Integrity comes into play a lot. Brinson was the only Texas area recruiter..Terry had said in interviews Brinson was the guy recruiting him.
We dont know the exact details on any of the recruits though. Did the UK coaches say hey kid we want you to be at UK if you continue to do what you have been doing? Is that an offer? Would a kid think it was?
I think UK has done a great job in the integrity department..they dont negative recruit, they dont tell kids just what the kid wants to hear (sometimes that might even backfire) and most coaches rave about how the UK staff handled their guys' recruitment.
We dont know the exact details on any of the recruits though. Did the UK coaches say hey kid we want you to be at UK if you continue to do what you have been doing? Is that an offer? Would a kid think it was?
I think UK has done a great job in the integrity department..they dont negative recruit, they dont tell kids just what the kid wants to hear (sometimes that might even backfire) and most coaches rave about how the UK staff handled their guys' recruitment.
