Did you watch the same Onyenso that I did last year? The one I watched was severely overmatched against any decent big that he played against and wasn’t even close.
What will be (and what should be) the reaction of our fan base if Z is not admitted here ?
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There's nothing incorrect about what you said, but if you don't really have anything to say about it until something official is announced, then why not sit this one out and let others debate it?
This is where I think you're off base in your argument. Colleges and universities lower their standards for admission for athletes all the time. Michigan, Florida, UCLA, UNC and Texas are all top 10 public universities in the US. These schools have to lower their admission standards for many athletes to get in on an annual basis. 4.0 students get turned away from these universities all the time. So, the question is, if the admissions department will allow athletes in with GPA's and test scores that would not get them in as a normal student, why is the admissions department stuck on what sounds like is a single criteria, when they bend their admissions rules all the time for athletes?
Because I do have something to say about it. I’ve said quite a bit about it. Just because I don’t hold a popular viewpoint doesn’t mean I don’t want to share it and I don’t just post when I have something popular to say.
Now unless you want to discuss the thread topic I’d appreciate it if this could end here.
I’m glad you brought that that up. It’s given me a chance to refine my view on this. If it is proven that UK lowered their standards in a similar fashion to what they’re refusing to do now I think your perspective would have merit and I would support you.
However, I cannot get mad at UK for upholding their standards if they haven’t lowered them for anyone in the past across all their athletic teams. And if there is a case similar to Big Z for one of the other UK teams that they did lower standards for, or worked faster with, then I think that would make for a great headline and would be a great journalistic opportunity.
Pretty certain that UK has lowered their admission standards before but unless privy to the information may not be able to cite examples. One such possible example that comes to mind is Eric Bledsoe who didn’t meet UK’s GPA standard of 2.5 but he was admitted without issue. Now that’s just one example I can think of and an entirely different admission standard that faces Z. If you have admission standards and aren’t going to make concessions on one then you shouldn’t any but as others have stated there is different rules for athletes at all universities as opposed to their non athletic peers. If an athlete is NCAA eligible a school will usually find a way to allow that athlete to attend their university.
On the last post you were quoted in, you seem to be suggesting that if Z is entitled and tells the media that UK didn't lower their scores "just for him", that you will be upset. Sorry, chief, the last thing UK needs is players who think UK should cator to them. The basketball program and the academic program are completely different things. You get into the school ON YOUR MERIT, not on what coach or anyone else thinks. If you're suggesting that UK lower their standards do you can win games, then you're doing it wrong.
He didn’t really say that at all. He is in support of UK not lowering their standards to cater to an athlete and respects their decision. However if there are multiple examples where they have lowered their admission standards for others but are just choosing not to do so here is where he would take issue. I firmly believe UK has, just as all universities have, lowered their admission standards for athletics many times over. We just never hear about it or even care. I’m sure they have some standards they are ok bending on and some they won’t. Seemingly this is one they won’t but I’m sure if they ever have it will most likely be brought to light by someone.
The concern shouldn't be if other schools cheated or lowered their admissions standards. It should be about what UK is doing. People seem to default to excuses for failure or permission to cheat. I guess we come from completely different support systems.
They have a million times over. Sure that's exaggerated, but let be real. We've all heard some athletes after games that couldn't form a decent sentence in their primary language.
UK has every right to do as they wish, but know it's going to make them look bad here. Especially if he ends up at like Duke, Texas, or Michigan (or any other school with higher admission standards.)
What worse, as mentioned before, UK has openly come out and stated that they do not care about a student's legal status in the country. Meaning, Z could've come here illegally and they probably would bend over backwards for him. Here's a kid trying to go about it the right way, and UK is absolutely refusing to budge over one small section of an exam.
I hope everyone in the admissions office that had anything to do with this is doxxed and their lives be made a living hell. Especially after the MJ update that this isn’t about Z anymore and it’s simply personal, that the admissions person doesn’t want to be told what to do. Makes my blood boil. Preferably I hope everyone involved in screwing over Big Z get fired but I’m not holding my breath.
Don't worry, repercussions will come & rightfully so. Inexcusable! Especially with rules they've bent to admit some students.
If he's not admitted, I'll go on and enjoy the season with the current roster. If he's admitted, I'll go on and enjoy the season with him added to the current roster. I have ZERO say in his eligibility, so why would I fret over it? 🤔
Do you think this kid would have any admissions issues over at Duke or Kansas? Hell no. We are gonna keep screwing around until the kid leaves, and goes to another top program. It's ridiculous. We are a basketball school with a 95% acceptance rate. The kid speaks 4 languages, and is a foreigner. Special rules should apply to a kid like this, especially a kid of his caliber. This should have been resolved in the 1st damn week, and he should have already been here.
Eric Bledsoe did not meet uk’s minimum GPA for admissions. Seems I recall him playing ball here so he was admitted. Did UK cheat by allowing him to play? No as he met the ncaa minimum for college athletics. Colleges allow different admission standards for student-athletes vs regular students (fair or not). It’s really not that hard to understand. Implying that UK would be cheating here is way off base.
This is truly what it boils down to:
UK has an opportunity to admit a top performer in their field (he's projected to be a Top 30 draft pick). He would be an instant draw for UK and would undoubtedly help promote the university and make them money. This should be a NO BRAINER.
UK has an opportunity to admit a top performer in their field (he's projected to be a Top 30 draft pick). He would be an instant draw for UK and would undoubtedly help promote the university and make them money. This should be a NO BRAINER.
Not going to get heavy into this discussion but UK had their fair share of Prop 48 students back in the day for athletics. Which meant they didnt qualify, but were given a year of school to get everything in order then they could play the next season...aka Sean Woods was one I believe. No regular student would have been admitted with his high school transcript anywhere but athletics.
At this point in time why is there any reason to believe he will attend UK or be on the basketball team? When did this fall apart? I don't understand how he could be admitted to any college this semester. I think the better question to ask might be ,was there ever a real chance that he would be here in the first place or was it all smoke and mirrors?
I see no reason to think there's any "smoke and mirrors" here.
I also see no reason to think we'll see him on the team this semester.
This whole thing went sideways soon after he "committed" The process of him getting here never seemed to get off the ground. The information and misinformation associated with him getting here was all over the map with no definitive answers coming from the school or the media. If seems to have been dead in the water before anyone knew there was a specific problem.
The board called this, almost from day one, getting him here would run into issues of some sort.
So you really think they would jerk the kid around just for "show" ? Unbelievable man. Come on.
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Not for show. But don't forget how damn petty adults and people in academia can be. I've seen professors refuse to give some a chance to take a test missed due to health issues. A lot of people in academia have Napoleon syndrome.
Not saying that's what happened here, but it would not surprise me AT ALL.
If you’re going to reply to my posts, then I would ask that you read them first. I didn’t say, suggest, allude to, or otherwise infer anything you’re saying I did.
I said, in very simple and very clear English, that I would be upset if they didn’t lower their standards for him but it was found that they had lowered their standards for another scholarship athlete under similar circumstances (foreign player) in the past. I hold that view because it’s not fair to lower your standards for say, a foreign born baseball player but to remain strict on your standards for a foreign born basketball player.
Make sense? It should, seems like common sense logic to me.
Yes, and I’m sure they have lowered their criteria for gpa requirements several times. But how many times have they lowered their standards for English proficiency? Again, if they have had this situation with a foreign recruit for any other sport and did not treat that recruit the way they are treating big Z then I will join you all in your anger. But I haven’t seen any evidence of that and I have seen zero evidence of the admissions department remaining strict on certain criteria just to spite Cal, our team, and our fans. So I’m not sure why they would wake up one day and decide to do that to big Z. If admissions isn’t letting him in, until proven otherwise, I believe they must have a good reason. Your last sentence I agree with wholeheartedly. UK has lowered their standards for athletes before as have other schools. That’s why it’s bizarre to me that everyone assumes this is admission’s fault.
Good to know you're still kicking. I thought something bad happened to you, because you never answered my question in the thread you started on Friday.
What forum did you get your info from? You said there was going to be an announcement on the Z situation in an hour and you got your info from another forum… .what forum was that?
There should be a goddam shit storm rained down in somebody’s ass. It’s ****in stupid as hell.
Not sure who jerked who around, the average fan(like all of us are) probably will never know the whole/real story. This kid will likely never play a minute of college basketball, if he ever intended to do so.
Cal loves to brag about landing players who will never play here. He did the same thing with Sharpe.
The fact that you're being serious is probably the most outrageously hilarious thing I've read all day. Congrats.
This. Nothing's ever Cal's fault. 9-16 was covid's fault. Most of the tournament losses were Higgins fault. Cal can't make free throws for PJ or Terrence. Cal can't make three is for Darnell Dodson, Bledsoe, or John Wall. Sharpe was a handler's fault. St Peters was merely an exhibition in our players having no experience.
It's never Cal's fault. Except he's like the guy who keeps showing up to dates with no wallet.
The only way I interpret this is that the administration sucks and should be fired. This is the same administration that sought fit to give Cal a life time contract with NO repercussions. Insane that Mitch’s incompetence has been rewarded time after time.
What would a reaction do. Move on with what you have and not whine about what you don’t have. Grow a pair and play with what you’ve got.
On the other hand bitching and moaning may help people feel better. Not me. Too many child like tantrums on here as is.
The solution is actually simpler than that: get a new coach.
Always we've encountered since April of 2015 is letdown and underachievement. That's been the accompanying themes of the Cal era over the last 8 years.
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