What is Hart's major flaw?
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I went back to Hudi.com and watched a lot of videos on Joey Hart and unlike many others there are many with him. I have come to the conclusion this kid is very gifted and well coached.
I can't argue with that. but he had some real D1 game experience between injuries.
Have you watched this kids videos? He dunks everything with 2 hands. CJ Frederick is an awful comparison.
He didn't play in the big AAU circuits. Also, his dad isn't Jeff Sheppard. Kids got some nice film. Hopefully it translates.
Herro is the only comparison. Herro looked stronger than Hart, but Hart is more athletic. Could have as big or bigger impact at UK, if given the same opportunity as the former. But we all know Cal.
CJ could NOT get a shot off unless he was WIDE open. I will not bash him, as it is not fair and I do feel injuries hampered him alot while here. Not like he wanted them to happen. But the Hart kid can, and does create his own shot. His lift on his J is very high release point. Another difference is he is not affraid on contact and can drive it to the rim and finish. Needs to add some muscle obviously but that is what the strength coach is there for. It all depends on how hard he wants to work and time he puts in. I don't know his work ethic and won't guess at it. He is white, so is he the predetermined "gym rat" lol.
Dad was a coach so those kids do seem to have the high bball iq.
I can't speak for others, but I find that explanation stereotypical and overly simplistic to a point of being offensive. And past that point. Oscar Tshiebwe's greatest shortcoming on the court is his defense. He obviously is not Caucasian. Reed Sheppard and Tyler Herro are athletic basketball players. If one reads scouting reports on Hart, his defensive performance is his weakness. If you don't like it, tweet the analysts. In this day and age, why do some people on this board still insist on defaulting to race?
I officiated roughly 5-6 of his HS games as a junior/senior. Hes athletic...but hes not HM athletic. Very good shooter. Can create, and can finish. But he did struggle vs kids his size, and who could match his athletic ability. There is a good reason why he go no offers from IU, PU, Notre Dame, TBH he's a better fit for an IU, PU or ND----he'll have serious trouble finding the floor at Kentucky. And that's because of the talent Cal brings in at the 1 and 2. Lets be honst here, if HArt gets significant minutes, then one of the two things happened: He was overlooked, and is much better than thought, OR---UK's frosh guards are not as good as thought.
I doubt either is the case. He's a kid who in two years and beyond could potentially help a program like UK, but........I mean how many 3* kids have not only survived 2+ years at UK, but flourished? He will likely get overrecruited---which happens. I mean is Cal gonna pass on 4/5* 2 guards because of Joey Hart? I doubt it.
Hope for the best for this kid. He's been through a ton with the legal troubles his dad has and still is enduring. He's a great kid. And tbh I am very surprised he committed to UK; I simply see no chance he sees the floor. Not with the talent UK has.
I was waiting on the comment implying black cant be racist, only white people. Looks like you've not been the only white person in a crowd of black people.
You must be new to the board because a couple guys on here have flat out told me that white guys are slow and cant jump. Blacks can be racist as well as white. Get your head out of your rear and wipe the 💩 from your eyes.
I've heard he struggled twice against players with his size now. It happens, and I'm sure teams keyed in on him. Just break down his overall game for us? I compare him to Tyler Herro. Both around 6'5 white kids that could shoot, and dunk. Obviously he's not Herro, but he does have a high release point, and can get his shot off pretty quickly
Pro's - Con's?
I love kids in this mold, BTW. I was super high on Herro coming out of HS.
Very few play 4 years at 1 school anywhere any longer, thanks mostly to the no-wait transfer portal, and partly to NIL. But also this generation has been raised as the generation of instant gratification.
But yeah, it is worse at UK.
Brooks would have stayed IMO if Cal had not made it clear to him he would share the 4 with Toppin. And much of BBN applauded that. Still, that’s only 1.
Most kids out of high school, who were primarily scorers, are defensive liabilities. As I remember, that was the big concern for Hero when he came
Ath;etic wise he's not close to Herro. Nonetheless, he's very athletic. Very good basketball IQ---not surprising being the son of a coach. His "handles" are decent---adequate---but he'll have to tighten that up quite a bit to excel at HM college basketball. He's good at the rim---and for his lack of strength, he playsJust a good surprisingly physical. Not afraid to dunk on you---or at least try. Defensively he needs to improve laterally....his surperior athetic ability covered that up in HS---that won't fly @ UK. He has a VERY good mid-range game....and shoots extremely well off the dribble. If you leave him open, its buckets. Hes a scorer---just not a shooter. Surprisingly, sneaky quick---has a very good first step.
COns---Needs to get stronger---better defensively. Better ball handling. Its not like he sucks at it---just to compete at this level, those area's will have to improve. He rebounds decently, but depened a lot on his athletic ability---Again, that flys @ Linton-Stockton...Not so much in the SEC. He has decent vision....but one thing you could see is he really see's things before others. Just a good basketball mind.
I;m really surprised he chose UK. I think the kid is good---I just don't think he is UK good---hell even IU, PU or ND good. I think he would have fit better at Purdue to be honest. Painters offense IMO suits his abilities as of now.
Player he reminded me of---Kyle Kuric. IMO, I thiink that is his ceiling. WHich ain't a bad ceiling, TBH.
IU did offer late and he stated that in an interview
so did Texas and a few others
IU offered him a spot as a walk-on. No scholarship offer. I am glad we did not---I'd rather IU pocket their last scholly, or get someone who will be an immediate impact. I do think Hart will be a solid contributor down the road---I do not think it will be at Kentucky though. IMO Cal offered as a "need, right now---a body>---It helps the kid can shoot, and that fills a need; unless of course Reeves comes back. Then its "uh-oh" time for Hart.
from the interview IU did offer a scholarship
i think basically IU thought they could get him as a walkon until schools like UK, Texas and a few others offered, then they offered but IU had already blown their chance
IU was never really interested. Not sure why they would be. Return Xavier Johnson, Trey Galloway, CJ Gunn, Banks---bringing in two 4* frosh guards in Newton and Cupps; Mgbako can play some 2. Hart's position at IU was full. If IU did offer(scholly), I saw no mention of it by any of IU writers on the premium board. And it would have made zero sense to do so---As I said, Indiana's b/c is set. If they were gonna use that last scholly, its gonna be on a one year dude, who could have an immediate impact. Hart is not an immediate impact guy.
Glad we got him. Adds to our core group of multi year guys. 6 5 frame with added strength is terrific. Shooters are at a priority plus he’s a winner. Will continue to mature and develop.
Reminiscence of the type players UK basketball was built on.
Reminiscence of the type players UK basketball was built on.
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